"Liberal" Imran Khan a 'slave' of US, Europe: Pakistan Taliban

[PakistaniAtheist]

Also, you can be as Pakistani as you want to be. I wish you were Pakistani. It would make life much easier. Instead, Pakistanis seem to be more crafty than you. The Lahoris and what not are better with hypocrasy and are sneakier about it. You on the other hand are just plain low on the intelligence quotient and that makes me suspect your roots are mongoloid, i.e. not there.

Hi I am not a lahori in fact faisalabadi dont think highly of lahori we think they are valgur compared to all other punjabis. As for who or what you think I am does not matter. You are a grown man with invisible friends and you pray to a rock towards east. So dont talk to me about intelligence please.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi prove me wrong on that topic. Go answer my questions.

Answered point by point already. As noted, you've failed to provide proof for your theological assertion. Your response was to demand the proof that Abraham built the Kabaah. Do you realize how idiotic that is when discussing religion? The fact of whether Abraham even existed is under debate. Therefore, the whole argument you make is flawed you idiot. Rather it is you that has to provide evidence that the early Muslims viewed the hajj rite or kissing the black stone as mandatory (they didn't) and whether they assigned even minor godhood status to the rock. You failed miserably and so now you get to go back across the Amu Darya.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi I am not a lahori in fact faisalabadi dont think highly of lahori we think they are valgur compared to all other punjabis. As for who or what you think I am does not matter. You are a grown man with invisible friends and you pray to a rock towards east. So dont talk to me about intelligence please.

" It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah.fearing." Quran 2: 177 "

Loooool, you're looking dumber and dumber with each passing post parsiwaan when the evidence is examined. Keep trying. Oh and if you prefer to be known as Parsiwaan Pakistani thats even better, two idiots in one body.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Answered point by point already. As noted, you've failed to provide proof for your theological assertion. Your response was to demand the proof that Abraham built the Kabaah. Do you realize how idiotic that is when discussing religion? The fact of whether Abraham even existed is under debate. Therefore, the whole argument you make is flawed you idiot. Rather it is you that has to provide evidence that the early Muslims viewed the hajj rite or kissing the black stone as mandatory (they didn't) and whether they assigned even minor godhood status to the rock. You failed miserably and so now you get to go back across the Amu Darya.

Hi no you havent I have checked that topic. Yes it is idiotic since you believe that Abraham existed and you are the one that believes in his sky god so the burden of proof of his existence is on you so is of the claim that he built the kabba and placed the stone there prove it. You cant use one contradiction to justify another contradiction and use it to discredit me. How can jews christains of the time of mohammad lived in arabia not know that Abraham built the kabba. It doesnt make sense that abraham descendants forgot about abraham. It doesnt make sense that the hanifs didnt know either. The pagan arabic people performed hajj this is clear evidence from your own islamic sources. Mohammad incorporated these pagan elements into his own monotheistic creation one by one over the course of the entire quran age. If kissing the black stone and performing hajj wasnt mandatory why do people perform hajj and kiss the black stone. What is the point of hajj the black stone kissing it if has no significance. All you are doing as you done is diggin that is not how you get out of a hole.

[PakistaniAtheist]

" It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah.fearing." Quran 2: 177 "

Loooool, you're looking dumber and dumber with each passing post parsiwaan when the evidence is examined. Keep trying. Oh and if you prefer to be known as Parsiwaan Pakistani thats even better, two idiots in one body.

Hi the joke is on muslims that this verse exist yet still face towards the east. Try facing towards any other angel in a mosque and see what happens if allah accept your prayers. Whats even more humors is that the quran is the last complete book of god but the method of prayer is in the hadiths not to mention many other things considered mandatory islamic rites in shariat. Lets laugh at that together. also if you are about laughs and giggles please dont waste my time. If you want to hear that you win i will say it just so you can mend your hurt ego which is obvious by your frustrated responses.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi no you havent I have checked that topic. Yes it is idiotic since you believe that Abraham existed and you are the one that believes in his sky god so the burden of proof of his existence is on you so is of the claim that he built the kabba and placed the stone there prove it. You cant use one contradiction to justify another contradiction and use it to discredit me. How can jews christains of the time of mohammad lived in arabia not know that Abraham built the kabba. It doesnt make sense that abraham descendants forgot about abraham. It doesnt make sense that the hanifs didnt know either. The pagan arabic people performed hajj this is clear evidence from your own islamic sources. Mohammad incorporated these pagan elements into his own monotheistic creation one by one over the course of the entire quran age. If kissing the black stone and performing hajj wasnt mandatory why do people perform hajj and kiss the black stone. What is the point of hajj the black stone kissing it if has no significance. All you are doing as you done is diggin that is not how you get out of a hole.

Lol, the only hole here is the one in your head loooool. And the only other hole is the one that Taliban put Daoud Daoud into, in the ground. You moron, the Hanif's claimed an Abrahamic faith, per Watts:

"Others maintained that they followed the "...religion of Ibrahim, the hanif, the Muslim..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif#cite_ref-watt_2-0

The quote if from the Orientalist Watts.

Muhammad's audience would have had to know, to a certain extent, who these judaic and christian figures were.

This is actually indicated by the paintings in the Kabaah itself joker:

[After the conquest of Mecca] Apart from the icon of the Virgin Mary and the child Jesus, and a painting of an old man, said to be Abraham, the walls inside [Kaaba] had been covered with pictures of pagan deities. Placing his hand protectively over the icon, the Prophet told 'Uthman to see that all other paintings, except that of Abraham, were effaced. (Martin Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources [Inner Traditions International, Ltd., One Park Street, Rochester, Vermont 05767; 1983], p. 300; ref.: al-Waqidi, Kitab al-Maghazi 834, and Azraqi, Akhbar Makkah vol. 1, p. 107)
... pictures of the prophets and pictures of trees and of angels. Among them there was a picture of Ibrahim as of an elderly man, drawing lots with arrow lots, and the picture of Jesus, the son of Mary, and of his mother and a picture with angels. (Al-Azraqi according to the Arabic text edited by Ferdinand Wuestenfeld, Chroniken der Stadt Mekka, Band 1, Leipzig 1858, reprint Beyrouth 1964, p. 110)

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi the joke is on muslims that this verse exist yet still face towards the east. Try facing towards any other angel in a mosque and see what happens if allah accept your prayers. Whats even more humors is that the quran is the last complete book of god but the method of prayer is in the hadiths not to mention many other things considered mandatory islamic rites in shariat. Lets laugh at that together. also if you are about laughs and giggles please dont waste my time. If you want to hear that you win i will say it just so you can mend your hurt ego which is obvious by your frustrated responses.

No, loool, thats a strength of the Quran actually you fool. The biblical book Numbers is a testament to the waste of space that occurs when the message is not perfectly honed to be the constitution of a religion.

And in regard to prayers and acceptance, all we know is that you need a prayer to swim back across the Amu Darya into Afghanistan as we kick your a-ss out.

We need no ego. This is like child abuse, the way I am beating you down.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Lol, the only hole here is the one in your head loooool. And the only other hole is the one that Taliban put Daoud Daoud into, in the ground. You moron, the Hanif's claimed an Abrahamic faith, per Watts:

"Others maintained that they followed the "...religion of Ibrahim, the hanif, the Muslim..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif#cite_ref-watt_2-0

The quote if from the Orientalist Watts.

Muhammad's audience would have had to know, to a certain extent, who these judaic and christian figures were.

This is actually indicated by the paintings in the Kabaah itself joker:

[After the conquest of Mecca] Apart from the icon of the Virgin Mary and the child Jesus, and a painting of an old man, said to be Abraham, the walls inside [Kaaba] had been covered with pictures of pagan deities. Placing his hand protectively over the icon, the Prophet told 'Uthman to see that all other paintings, except that of Abraham, were effaced. (Martin Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources [Inner Traditions International, Ltd., One Park Street, Rochester, Vermont 05767; 1983], p. 300; ref.: al-Waqidi, Kitab al-Maghazi 834, and Azraqi, Akhbar Makkah vol. 1, p. 107)
... pictures of the prophets and pictures of trees and of angels. Among them there was a picture of Ibrahim as of an elderly man, drawing lots with arrow lots, and the picture of Jesus, the son of Mary, and of his mother and a picture with angels. (Al-Azraqi according to the Arabic text edited by Ferdinand Wuestenfeld, Chroniken der Stadt Mekka, Band 1, Leipzig 1858, reprint Beyrouth 1964, p. 110)

Hi what part of quote me none muslim sources you dont understand. You are quoting none muslims quoting muslim sources.

[PakistaniAtheist]

No, loool, thats a strength of the Quran actually you fool. The biblical book Numbers is a testament to the waste of space that occurs when the message is not perfectly honed to be the constitution of a religion.

And in regard to prayers and acceptance, all we know is that you need a prayer to swim back across the Amu Darya into Afghanistan as we kick your a-ss out.

We need no ego. This is like child abuse, the way I am beating you down.

Hi in other words allah was limited by the space he had in the quran to thoroughly include everything he wanted of his followers. Most of the constitution of islam which is shariat is heavily dependent on sunnah of mohammad. Like i said to get out of a hole you climb up not dig in. The only thing you are beating down is your own intelligence by convincing your self with these lame justifications to an otherwise rational query of a sentient mind. I piety you i truly do.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi what part of quote me none muslim sources you dont understand. You are quoting none muslims quoting muslim sources.

Looool. Thats the sound of losing folks. You keep coming back to get some more slaps and I'll keep obliging.

All the sources from the Arabian peninsula are filtered through Islamic sources generally. There is no reason for the jurists to have included the icons of Abraham and the Virgin Mary. It is you that has to provide evidence to cause us to suspect the veracity of the reports.

The equivalent of what you are saying is that to validate Christ's mission, one has to provide sources from India to prove he existed. This would be despite the fact that he lived in contemporary Rome.

For that matter, nearly all modern native American war histories and description of their shamanistic rituals are written by American historians that rule the land. That doesnt negate the history simply because they wrote it.

Looooooool. Look what we have here... we have a cockroach that managed barely keep his head above the water of the Amu now saying that standard historical techniques are ipso facto wrong just because he says so.

Bottom line, you just conceded with that idiocy above ^

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hi in other words allah was limited by the space he had in the quran to thoroughly include everything he wanted of his followers. Most of the constitution of islam which is shariat is heavily dependent on sunnah of mohammad. Like i said to get out of a hole you climb up not dig in. The only thing you are beating down is your own intelligence by convincing your self with these lame justifications to an otherwise rational query of a sentient mind. I piety you i truly do.

Loooooool, you keep trying to jump out of the hell hole that Daoud Daoud and you are in together.

Lets see... Allah decided to work within the finite world through his messenger, that would mean there would be finite resources and finite space. LOOOL. In fact, Allah makes it clear throughout the Quran that he has no intention of bringing down an Angel for the people. Furthermore, he even addressed the fact that he had no intention of sending down a completed book from the heavens.

Moreover, its rather perfect and elegent in a way that your pea parsiwaan "pakistani" brain cannot fathom. Just as there is a central constitution of the US that lays down the bare bones amendments, and it is supplemented by the writings of the early founding fathers and then further interpreted and supplemented by court decisions etc, the constitution of the Islamic religion provides a rather common sensical basis for living and governance.

So your argument, like the donkey you rode in on, is kaput and antiquated.

Rational? Your mind? It would be rational but the above negligence of logic shows you have no reference point to claim rationality.

Keep going, I just handed you the shovel.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Time to go to sleep. In the mean time, I expect a better response. Each time I debunk you I feel like I am slapping a 2 year old because of mentally deficient nature of each of these arguments and their predictability. So tomorrow at least, I hope to see a response that makes me feel like I am dealing with a man (not likely based on your repeated amu drownings looool).

[PakistaniAtheist]

Looool. Thats the sound of losing folks. You keep coming back to get some more slaps and I'll keep obliging.

All the sources from the Arabian peninsula are filtered through Islamic sources generally. There is no reason for the jurists to have included the icons of Abraham and the Virgin Mary. It is you that has to provide evidence to cause us to suspect the veracity of the reports.

The equivalent of what you are saying is that to validate Christ's mission, one has to provide sources from India to prove he existed. This would be despite the fact that he lived in contemporary Rome.

For that matter, nearly all modern native American war histories and description of their shamanistic rituals are written by American historians that rule the land. That doesnt negate the history simply because they wrote it.

Looooooool. Look what we have here... we have a cockroach that managed barely keep his head above the water of the Amu now saying that standard historical techniques are ipso facto wrong just because he says so.

Bottom line, you just conceded with that idiocy above ^

Hi piety insults wont save you from exposing your deficiency to defend your superstitious and irrational myths. If anything your response to me can be taken as resting the case in failure by admitting there is no other source to validated mohammads claim independently. Again you cant use your own limitations to discredit my points. Muslims made a claim they must prove it and unlike native americans who were completed isolated the story of abraham and his people was widely known and documented by both jews and christains before mohammad. How is it possible then that the christian civilization before islam has no records of any of this what so ever. The bible it self is 5000 years old and jesus came long time after abraham yet no mention of abraham and his sons in arabia building the first house of worship as claimed by mohammad. Its okay if you want to pray for a ladder to get out this one.

[Soldat_Amir]

hahahahahaha

This has to be the most funny crap I have seen

"suicide bombings are a tool of the weak used to attack oppressors"

I guess all those Shia's in DI Khan that got attacked by a TTP suicide bomber at the civil Hosptial were oppressors.

These Talibs retard each day. If anyone is from Waziristan, you would see, the methods and tactics they use to brainwash young boys, from pictures of naked hooris and rivers of milk, and constant mental torture, and this little Mullah says Suicide bombing is a tool of the oppressed?

Has this retard ever been to a Rehab clinic of young boys in Swat? has he ever seen the extent of the damage it does to society especially to the mental health of the future generations.

I personally, think its a cover up, by the ISI to keep Imran Khan smear free, everyone has suddenly attacked Imran Khan over his support for militants in Afghanistan.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Loooooool, you keep trying to jump out of the hell hole that Daoud Daoud and you are in together.

Lets see... Allah decided to work within the finite world through his messenger, that would mean there would be finite resources and finite space. LOOOL. In fact, Allah makes it clear throughout the Quran that he has no intention of bringing down an Angel for the people. Furthermore, he even addressed the fact that he had no intention of sending down a completed book from the heavens.

Moreover, its rather perfect and elegent in a way that your pea parsiwaan "pakistani" brain cannot fathom. Just as there is a central constitution of the US that lays down the bare bones amendments, and it is supplemented by the writings of the early founding fathers and then further interpreted and supplemented by court decisions etc, the constitution of the Islamic religion provides a rather common sensical basis for living and governance.

So your argument, like the donkey you rode in on, is kaput and antiquated.

Rational? Your mind? It would be rational but the above negligence of logic shows you have no reference point to claim rationality.

Keep going, I just handed you the shovel.

Hi in other words allah was limited by the finite nature of his own creation. hahahaha i said to get out of a hole you climb up not dig in.


"Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

6:114


And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.

16:89


These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?

45:6



sorry allah your verses are not in detail and clear according to this apologist we need hadiths.







"Do not write down anything from me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it" (Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Vol. 1, page 171 also Sahih Muslim, Book 42, Number 7147).



sorry mohammad according to this apologist quran and allah are limited by the finite nature of this universe therefore after your death thousands of ANYTHING you said will be written down and made into laws constitution of islam.