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    From Salon.com a mainstream online newsmedia form.

    Acclaimed, Glenn Greenwald makes many valid points:

    http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/why_...bin/singleton/

    Why the Washington Post Wont Fire Jennifer Rubin:

    Several weeks ago, I wrote about a truly twisted, deranged rant by neocon royal family member Rachel Abrams. Abrams — wife of Iran-contra convict and Bush 43 official Eliot Abrams, step-daughter of Norm Podhoretz, half-sister of John Podhoretz, and a Board Member of Bill Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) — unleashed a torrent of anti-Palestinian hatred upon the release of Gilad Shalit that could be produced only by the most rotted of souls:
    Then round up [Gilad Shalit's] captors, the slaughtering, death-worshiping, innocent-butchering, child-sacrificing savages who dip their hands in blood and use women—those who aren’t strapping bombs to their own devils’ spawn and sending them out to meet their seventy-two virgins by taking the lives of the school-bus-riding, heart-drawing, Transformer-doodling, homework-losing children of Others—and their offspring—those who haven’t already been pimped out by their mothers to the murder god—as shields, hiding behind their burkas and cradles like the unmanned animals they are, and throw them not into your prisons, where they can bide until they’re traded by the thousands for another child of Israel, but into the sea, to float there, food for sharks, stargazers, and whatever other oceanic carnivores God has put there for the purpose.
    While Abrams’ post sparked widespread revulsion, it found one noted admirer: The Washington Post‘s Israel-obsessed blogger Jennifer Rubin, who re-tweeted Abrams’ promotion of her post with obvious (and admitted) agreement.
    In the ensuing controversy, ECI claimed that Abrams’ murderous desires were directed only toward Palestinian “terrorists,” not Palestinians generally — a self-evidently false excuse that quickly fell apart after Abrams wrote that, in essence, all Palestinians are Terrorists (“there are no fine points of distinction in what they’re after”). To make her genocidal wishes even clearer, Abrams then directed her bile to ThinkProgress’ Ali Gharib — an Iranian-American who was one of the many commentators objecting to her original post — explaining that she’d also “feed HIM and his friends to sharks.” To put it mildly, Abrams’ post was bigoted, violence-inciting, and driven by hatred of the purest and most repellent strain.
    It’s the opposite of newsworthy that a rabid neocon like Abrams spews this sort of anti-Arab hate-mongering; that is basically the defining attribute of neoconservatism. But what is significant is that Jennifer Rubin promoted and endorsed it without any hesitation. Over the past 18 months, we’ve witnessed a series of journalists fired for far less virulent sentiments directed at Israelis and Jews (Rich Sanchez’ complaints about disproportionate Jewish media influence and Helen Thomas’ call for Jews to leave the region), and even for completely innocuous remarks whose only sin was offending neocons (Octavia Nasr’s mild eulogizing of a moderate Hezbollah cleric). Yet here we have a Post blogger who has endorsed this extreme hate-mongering, and does so with total impunity.
    Is there any doubt whatsoever that had Rubin promoted a rant spewing these sorts of ugly caricatures about Jewish children and Israelis with accompanying calls for savage violence — rather than directed at Palestinians — that she would have instantly been fired, then castigated and attacked by all Serious precincts? As Gharib reports today, that was the question posed by a Post reader via email to the Post‘s Ombudsman, Patrick Pexton. To his credit, Pexton had previously condemned Rubin on his Ombudsman blog, writing: “in agreeing with the sentiment, and in spreading it to her 7,000 Twitter followers who know her as a Washington Post blogger, Rubin did damage to The Post and the credibility that keeps it afloat.” After denouncing Abrams’ rant as “reprehensible,” Pexton added: “That a Post employee would retweet it is a huge disappointment to me.”
    That’s all fine as far as it goes, but what about the question posed by the reader: wouldn’t Rubin have been fired for promoting this hate-mongering had it been directed at Jews and Israelis rather than Palestinians? Pexton’s email response, published by the reader who emailed him, was this:
    Off the record, I think it’s quite possible. But the ombudsman does not hire or fire people here. I only comment.
    Leave aside the bizarre belief of establishment journalists that they can unilaterally decree their statements to be “off the record” and then expect that to be honored in the absence of any agreement by the person to whom they’re making the statement. What is most striking here is Pexton’s highly revealing cowardice — probably well-grounded — in wanting his observation about this double standard to be kept private; shouldn’t an Ombudsman who believes this be eager to raise it in public? As the reader noted in reply to Pexton:
    If, in your opinion, such a grave double standard exits, why do you comment off the record? Why not publicly state your opinion? Why self censor? Doesn’t that reinforce insidious limitations on free speech?
    Think of the absurdity. You must stay cautiously silent about a perfectly reasonable opinion while Rubin and Abrams can let fly with genocidal remarks. With respect, your silence contributes significantly to the poisoning of public debate.
    Please speak up.
    What’s particularly remarkable is that Pexton is admitting (albeit wanting it kept secret) what any honest observer knows to be true: that there is a very high likelihood — I’d say absolute certainty — that Rubin would have been fired had she promoted a post like this about Jews and Israelis rather than Arabs and Palestinians.
    But this is the insidious, pervasive bias that has long been obvious in a profession that relentlessly touts its own “objectivity.” Even the mildest criticism of Israelis and anything even hinting at criticisms of Jews is strictly prohibited — a prohibition enforced by summary, immediate dismissal and enduring stigma. As Nicholas Kristof wrote during a visit to Jerusalem last year: Israel “tolerates a far greater range of opinions [about Israel] than America.”
    But the most extreme forms of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bigotry and hatred flourish often with no condemnation and virtually always with no sanction (Juan Williams’ firing by NPR was one of the very few exceptions, though that was ultimately motivated by long-standing NPR animosity toward Williams’ role on Fox). Had Rubin promoted (and admitted agreeing with) such disgusting bile toward Jews and Israelis, her journalism career would have been over, but because it was directed at Palestinians, it continues to thrive. Indeed, the neocon fanatic who runs the Post‘s Editorial Page, Fred Hiatt, predictably defended and praised Rubin, calling her “an excellent journalist and a relentless reporter” who “is often the target of unjustified criticism.” (Pexton argued that what Rubin did violated Post rules “that apply to editors, reporters and bloggers,” but since Rubin is an opinion writer, those rules do not apply to her: except Hiatt and Rubin herself repeatedly describe her as a “reporter” and a “journalist”).
    Herein lies one of the great myths of American political culture: the media’s “objectivity.” No institution plays a greater role in restricting the terms of permissible debate in America than they do. The fact that they impose these limitations with such gross bias is bad enough; their self-praising insistence that they do no such things makes it that much worse. If the Post applied media standards equally to anti-Arab and anti-Israeli commentary, then Jen Rubin would be waiting on the unemployment line next to Rick Sanchez, Helen Thomas and Octavia Nasr. But it plainly does no such thing, and therefore she will remain exactly where she is.
    * * * * *
    The ebook version of With Liberty and Justice for Some is now available here and the Kindle version is here. On a different note, last night I debated former Bush drug czar John Walters on the Drug War at Brown University; a write-up from Brown’s student newspaper on that debate is here, and a video of the entire quite-contentious debate will be posted online in a few days.
    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

  • #2
    I am not supportive of Israel, but this lefty propaganda never ends. When Israel seeks peace with the Pali's, they turn on themselves, when they are tired of killing themselves, they turn on Israel.

    Barakzai, the Juices and Arab Musulman are the same trash in my eyes, born from the same mother and just as deceiving and blood thirsty as each other.

    My stance is, let them fight each other, the Juice has Western Europe on a tight rope while Arabs have Islamic East.

    None of the Arab countries even likes Pali's, its not Juice Propaganda, I have seen it with my own eyes, especially in University, every Arab distanced himself to a Palestinian. They called them trouble makers and stupid.

    Palestine and Israel should not be an issue for Pashtuns to concern themselves with. Jews and Arabs are not our brother, they are the worst people to associate yourself with.

    We have our own problems, let them settle their differences themselves, I don't think they would give two dammes if a PAshtun kid is killed by Pak army or killed by a suicide bomber, so why should we care about them.

    Oh wait, its because the clerics say so.

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    • #3
      Does a Pashtun care about his own people? Why should we except such a naive thing from others? This forum is the best example that something is going wrong. We have the Talibanists, the communists, the secularists, the Mullahists and all of them are fighting against eachother. And Pakistan, Iran, India, USA and the Arabs use that for their own political interests.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by NokiaWnW View Post
        Does a Pashtun care about his own people? Why should we except such a naive thing from others? This forum is the best example that something is going wrong. We have the Talibanists, the communists, the secularists, the Mullahists and all of them are fighting against eachother. And Pakistan, Iran, India, USA and the Arabs use that for their own political interests.
        And out of all these groups who closely represent Pashtun interests from a historical, religious, political and national perspective? Sure not all of them represent Pashtuns 100% but some are closer to that than others.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
          And out of all these groups who closely represent Pashtun interests from a historical, religious, political and national perspective? Sure not all of them represent Pashtuns 100% but some are closer to that than others.
          Name one! They just make claims to work for the Pashtun cause, but they don´t. The past teached us a good lesson. Why should they be tomorrow different? If you clearly look to every Pashtun party in Pakistan and Afghanistan you will clearly see their ties to America, Iran, Pakistan, Taliban, ISI, Saudi Arabia. Not a single party is independant. The same allies that damaged us, our culture and country, they want to work with

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
            I am not supportive of Israel, but this lefty propaganda never ends. When Israel seeks peace with the Pali's, they turn on themselves, when they are tired of killing themselves, they turn on Israel.

            Barakzai, the Juices and Arab Musulman are the same trash in my eyes, born from the same mother and just as deceiving and blood thirsty as each other.

            My stance is, let them fight each other, the Juice has Western Europe on a tight rope while Arabs have Islamic East.

            None of the Arab countries even likes Pali's, its not Juice Propaganda, I have seen it with my own eyes, especially in University, every Arab distanced himself to a Palestinian. They called them trouble makers and stupid.

            Palestine and Israel should not be an issue for Pashtuns to concern themselves with. Jews and Arabs are not our brother, they are the worst people to associate yourself with.

            We have our own problems, let them settle their differences themselves, I don't think they would give two dammes if a PAshtun kid is killed by Pak army or killed by a suicide bomber, so why should we care about them.

            Oh wait, its because the clerics say so.
            Soldat, that was not my point here. My point is that to the victor goes the spoils. My focus fell on the fact that whether its Pashtuns, Nigerians, Palestineans, or anyone else... if one were to endorse the sort of drivel that Miss Rubin endorsed as an affiliated Washington Post columnist, calling for massacres of a people, nothing really happens.

            However, it is undeniable per what Mr Greenwald points out, that the Post Ombudsmen himself recognize that if this sort of language were endorsed by any other staff editor or writer, and it were directed against Israel or Jews that writer would be off the staff in a matter of minutes.

            This hower did not and will not occur with Miss Rubin.

            However, I agree with you that generally this place is to post on political topics relavent to Pashtuns. 99% of the time, that is what I do. I merely thought this was an interesting aside.
            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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              • #8
                Here is some more Juice Discussion:

                Pashtun clue to lost tribes of Israel | World news | The Observer

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sanman View Post
                  Man, we better make a claim on Israel then... tell them we want our land back and a bunch of $$$ just for the sake of it! Maybe thats the solution to the world's problems... kick both of those parties out and take it all for ourselves.
                  "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                  • #10
                    Surprised?

                    Do you know who Eugene Meyer is?
                    I'll give you a hint...he is a jew. He bought the washington post in 30s when it was going bankrupt. His grand son Donald E. Graham now owns the Washington Post. (He is also on the board of directors for facebook...also jewish owned).



                    Other Jews that own the media:


                    Murray Rothstein: AKA “Sumner Redstone.” Owner of CBS, MTV, LOGO, (Homosexual TV), Blockbuster Videos, Paramount & DreamWorks Movie studios, and Viacom

                    Edgar Bronfman Jr: Principal holder of Time-Warner Corporation. Media venues include NBC Television, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Warner/Chappell Music, AOL, & Time Magazine. (His father Edgar Bronfman was the president of the World Jewish Congress).

                    Rupert Murdoch: owns Fox Television, TV Guide, Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, and The London Times

                    Michael Eisner, (former) Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company...but no matter... now it's run by Shamrock Holdings...and their principle office is located in Israel.


                    So if your boss is a jew...how dare you criticize jews?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                      Surprised?

                      Do you know who Eugene Meyer is?
                      I'll give you a hint...he is a jew. He bought the washington post in 30s when it was going bankrupt. His grand son Donald E. Graham now owns the Washington Post. (He is also on the board of directors for facebook...also jewish owned).



                      Other Jews that own the media:


                      Murray Rothstein: AKA “Sumner Redstone.” Owner of CBS, MTV, LOGO, (Homosexual TV), Blockbuster Videos, Paramount & DreamWorks Movie studios, and Viacom

                      Edgar Bronfman Jr: Principal holder of Time-Warner Corporation. Media venues include NBC Television, Turner Broadcasting, CNN, Warner/Chappell Music, AOL, & Time Magazine. (His father Edgar Bronfman was the president of the World Jewish Congress).

                      Rupert Murdoch: owns Fox Television, TV Guide, Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, and The London Times

                      Michael Eisner, (former) Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company...but no matter... now it's run by Shamrock Holdings...and their principle office is located in Israel.


                      So if your boss is a jew...how dare you criticize jews?
                      No wrorra, power writes history. My point in this was to show that mass media is generally an unreliable outlet for trying to gain honest opinions, and now a days with the black out on folks like Assange, even gaining access to ground level facts. People think that the world has become more civilized; I always tell them that it is as it always was: conquer or be conquered, the truth is casualty, and all the cliches you can think of are cliches for a reason.
                      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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