Hakeemullah Mehsud Warns Pakistan

[sanman]

Hakeemullah Mehsud warns Pakistan that he will launch more attacks against the Pakistani state:

Hakeemullah Mehsud threatens more attacks in Pakistan - The Long War Journal

Hakeemullah Mehsud threatens more attacks in Pakistan
By BILL ROGGIO
November 8, 2011

The leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan vowed to carry out more attacks on the Pakistani state and reiterated his pledge of fealty to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

Hakeemullah Mehsud, the emir of the Pakistani Taliban, addressed the people of Pakistan in an Eid al Adha message that was released on jihadist forums today. "The message was released in Arabic, English, Pashto, and Urdu," according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which provided a copy of the message.

In the statement, Hakeemullah accused the Pakistani military and the state of "handing over Arab, Uzbek, and other Mujahideen to the kuffar [unbeliever of infidel] only so that you may please their leaders." The Arabs to whom he refers are members of al Qaeda, and the Uzbeks are members of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and other affiliated groups.

In retribution for Pakistan's turning over terrorists and waging war against the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan in the tribal areas and the northwest, Hakeemullah said that war with the state will continue.

"Our war with you will continue and soon you will be humiliated and disgraced in this very life, and Kufr too will turn its back on you. For they have used you and can no longer see any strength remaining in you."

Hakeemullah blamed "the oppression and injustices committed against us and our state of humiliation" on "our selfish rulers whose loyalties lie with the Jews and the Christians," and said that uniting under the leadership of Mullah Omar and waging jihad was the solution.

"I urge all Muslims to rise up against these agents of the kuffar [infidels] who have sold their consciences; to rise above their differences and unite under the banner of Amir-ul-Mu'mineen [leader of the faithful] Mullah Mohammad Omar Mujahid and work towards the revival of the Caliphate - a dream awaiting fulfillment," Hakeemullah said.

Later in the statement, Hakeemullah rejected the Durand Line, the border that divides Afghanistan and Pakistan, and said the bond with the Afghan Taliban will "continue to strengthen."

"There is no doubt that the Muslim Ummah is one body, and as Muslims we do not accept the divisions of the Durand Line or any borders," Hakeemullah said. "We are all loyal soldiers of Amir-ul-Mu'mineen Mullah Mohammad Omar Mujahid. He is our leader, guide and Amir. The services and sacrifices made by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan have been proven over time and our association with them will only continue to strengthen."

Hakeemullah urged Muslims to "display utmost unity" as the US and NATO prepare to withdraw from Afghanistan.

"The armies of the kuffar are well on their way to defeat, and as an exit strategy will make all last ditch efforts to create rifts amongst the Ummah [Mulsim community]," Hakeemullah said. "The Ummah should be cautious of such traps and make sure that the kuffar do not succeed in their attempts."

President Obama announced last month that the 33,000 additional US "surge" forces that were primarily used to fight the Taliban in the southern provinces of Helmand and Kandahar would be withdrawn by September 2012. The Obama administration is also exploring plans to rapidly draw down additional combat forces as early as next year, well before the previously announced date of 2014.

[R3SISTANC3]

There is no doubt that the Muslim Ummah is one body, and as Muslims we do not accept the divisions of the Durand Line or any borders," Hakeemullah said.

So much for being Pakistani puppets. This just flies in the face of all the detractors and be-moaners.

[sanman]

Pakistani Taliban may not be Pakistani puppets because they seek to attack the Pakistani state.
But Afghan Taliban are puppets of Pakistani ISI, which seeks to arm them to attack the Afghan state and US/NATO forces supporting it.

So if Pakistani ISI are arming Afghan Taliban, perhaps then US/NATO need to retaliate by arming Pakistani Taliban.

Then Durand Line will be dissolved, and the ISI aggressor will be neutralized and expelled.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Hi I think Pakistan is making a huge mistake by not allowing NATO to take the fight to these people. They are extremely dangerous to Pakistan. Pakistan should give this backward barbarian his wish and let NATO enter their areas. We will see where he runs. This backward arrogant unevolved ape doesnt understand that without Pakistani diplomacy he and his people would be suffering under the boots of Americans just like his Afghani brothers across the border. Without Pakistani stamp over his regions he would be free game like any wild backward animal.

[Soldat_Amir]

"Mullah Mohammad Omar Mujahid and work towards the revival of the Caliphate - a dream awaiting fulfillment"

Hakeemullah Yes its a dream, with no logical substance nor sense.

Secondly, this monster lives right next to my village, plus hes a bohlolzai Maseed just like me. He is hated, and even there is a "hit out" against him for his role in killing Maseed tribal elders.

The Pro Talib lobby, will get excited and say hey Hakeemullah said "durrand line", do not get confused, he is referring to a Ummah global califate, which will put Pashtun lands under the control of Arabs in Arabia not Pashtuns.

He then goes onto saying, Pakistan army has arrested Arabs/Uzbeks, people may again get confused, but I will clarify this point to you, Pakistan Army has arrested Anti State elements under the command of Hakeemullah, that includes "Some" Arabs and "Some Uzbeks who were kicked out of Wana by the Ahmedzai Wazirs".

What makes it more funny is that it wasnt long ago, maybe a few weeks ago, his deputy chief Wali Ur Rahman, stated he wants peace talks with Pakistan, I guess Hakeemullah is being left out by the Pakistani state while they were less favoured than say the Mullah Nazeer/Gul Badahur Faction, which split from the Hakeemullah's TTP on the basis that "They do not support attacks on Pakistani Army".

In my humble opinion, i feel hakeemullah is just being desparate and showing off his authority, personally I hope a drone hits him hard for all the innocent ones hes killed especially our tribal mashar khalq.

[Punjabi]

He lives right next to yoUR village ?
Had you ever seen him ?

[Afghanistan2010]

Hi I think Pakistan is making a huge mistake by not allowing NATO to take the fight to these people. They are extremely dangerous to Pakistan. Pakistan should give this backward barbarian his wish and let NATO enter their areas. We will see where he runs. This backward arrogant unevolved ape doesnt understand that without Pakistani diplomacy he and his people would be suffering under the boots of Americans just like his Afghani brothers across the border. Without Pakistani stamp over his regions he would be free game like any wild backward animal.

im hearing from your words great fear and frightening ...

we look forward that they set fire to your apostate state.

[Punjabi]

im hearing from your words great fear and frightening ...

we look forward that they set fire to your apostate state.

Oh, and where do you live today ?

[Talal]

warns Pakistan...from Afghanistan

big whoop

[Afghanistan2010]

Oh, and where do you live today ?

far away from this state....i will help every effort to bring this criminal government and its army to fall.

and tribal areas belong to the islamic emirate of afghanistan not to this apostate state.

[Darweshkhel]

and tribal areas belong to the islamic emirate of afghanistan not to this apostate state.

agreed. tribal areas and pashtunkhwa is afghan soil.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

far away from this state....i will help every effort to bring this criminal government and its army to fall.

and tribal areas belong to the islamic emirate of afghanistan not to this apostate state.

too bad those pashtuns want nothing to do with your afghanistan

[az4er]

One thing I've noticed is that many folks seem to confuse the Taliban with the TTP. Although the latter derives inspiration from the former and both are insurgencies, they happen to be quite different from one another. The Taliban (Afghanistan), for example, enjoys a "friendly" strategic support base in Pakistan via the ISI and Pakistan Army. (here's some stuff I posted on an earlier thread):- The Taliban was an incarnation of sorts of a pan-Pashtun movement, which transcended tribal divisions to bring about order and mete out revenge against the other factions that had at one time or another led to the Soviet invasion; but decades of war takes its toll on the thinking of people. It may well have existed in a less extremist/"Wahhabi"/Deobandi(whatever you wish to call it) form and a more nationalist one, had Pakistan and Saudi Arabia not interfered to promote their own agendas. In fear of losing its non-Hindustani territory Pakistan repeated the same idiotic mistake it had done during Zias rule; specifically, supporting an insurgency it had nothing to do with and profit off of it. Musharraf did the exact same albeit under restrictions (which he circumvented anyway). Both instances there were massive repercussions, i.e. religious extremism and intolerance; overall a hostile insurgency, which may very well have been a secessionist movement had the aforementioned intoxication of the populace not taken place. Mullah Omar was directed in a meeting in Islamabad with MI and ISI personnel to hold out for an extradition treaty where OBL would be handed to the US, only if they agreed to recognize Afghanistan as a legitimate state represented in the UN. A Jirga of elders from different tribes had already voted to deport him but having spent decades in war and being without possession of the means or skills to negotiate, they felt they needed "professional" advice from the Pakistan army, who as I mention told them to stick by OBL. They completely underestimated the US govt.'s reaction. However, one should take into consideration that the neocons were in power and would have attacked anyway (since that's all they know how to do). Another factor may have been the Central Asian oil pipeline contract awarded to an Argentinian conglomerate which HALLIBURTON lost out on (off topic). To make matters worse Musharraf and his goons rigged the 2002 elections, by bringing in the ISI fabricated amalgamation of religious parties; the MMA, into power. They were given a free hand to draft young men from Madrassas (Red Mosque in Islamabad, etc.) with the obvious intent of sending them to "fight the good fight" in Afghanistan and carry on creating political discourse. But another more sinister purpose is to hijack the resistance and keep it from turning into a nationalist movement, hence keeping Afghanistan/Pashtunistan on the reserve. The MMA and Musharraf set back the timer another 500 years in KPK with their idiotic backward policies; which directly gave birth to the TTP.
The first signs of the formation of the TTP was the invasion of Waziristan in 2004. It is true that alot of militants from all over the world were housed with the locals there but that was a direct result of the US invasion in Afghanistan and of course, the policies of Pakistan, i.e. being a bed rock for extremist activity. The US were obviously aware that much like the 1980s, Pakistan was in the game for its own agendas, so to make sure that AQ didn't waltz back into Afghanistan once everything was over, they put the Pakistan army to the task, who managed to root out all the foreign militants but ended up killing a few locals who retaliated violently. This was followed by relative peace until a drone strike by the US killed Nek Mohammed. After Baitullah took over, another deal was signed which was subsequently discarded after the Pakistan Air Force bombing in Bajaur, which killed I think about 80 innocent people, mostly women and children. That was the last straw as far as the people of FATA themselves were concerned and the Red Mosque fiasco only made things worse. The two brothers who were running it, were already fostering ill feelings towards the Pak Army; I think their father was assassinated by the ISI and being extremist preachers just made it worse. They were looking for an opportunity to openly flout govt. authority. Of course all these elements had existed since the Soviet invasion, for reasons I mentioned earlier, however were, magnified and grew exponentially once public opinion of them softened and support grew after the bombing raid in Bajaur. Suddenly, the extremists became the freedom fighters but once the general public experienced and witnessed how brutal and draconian their rule was, they reverted back to supporting Pakistan, who by comparison were far less cruel and dangerous. Pakistan has learned from this though; they've undertaken massive development projects in the FATA area in a bid to settle it (something they should have done over 60 years ago) once all the militants and militant ideology has been rooted out. But ironically, they still support the Taliban across the Durand, who by comparison to the TTP are moderate and progressive.
So to sum it up, the Taliban today in Afghanistan are a popular resistance descending from the Soviet era Mujahideen; it receives its support from the Pashtun people and among certain channels (Haqqani) the ISI to drive out the invaders. The Taliban will dissipate under two conditions 1) If Pakistan quits meddling in Afghanistans affairs and 2) If the US quits paying subsidies to warlords and using them as proxies (this option would lead to an open war, similar to the one against the Soviets, though the warlords and tribal elders still support the Taliban, although in slightly hush hush manner). It (the Taliban) had (dissipated) when the Americans invaded but two factors led to its resurgence 1) the Americans siding with the Northern Alliance and generally lending/receiving most of its support from the Persian speaking population, hence isolating the majority Pashto speakers; and 2) Pakistani interference, which is also a reason why Pashtuns are being isolated.
The TTP, however, is a consequence of the killing of innocent civilians, brainwashing and frustration. Both may possess channels which intersect and sometime relate to each other but they don't rely on one another. Groups like the AuI and LeI are other good examples.