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    A city divided: the ethnic tensions splitting Kabul
    The Independent
    11/01/2011
    By Lianne Gutcher


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    Formerly mixed areas of the Afghan capital are becoming segregated as fears of civil war loom. Lianne Gutcher reports.

    The Afghan capital, Kabul, is becoming increasingly divided along ethnic lines as residents relocate to neighbourhoods that would allow them a speedy getaway to their home provinces and ancestral villages in the event that the country descends back into civil war. Property dealers visited by The Independent last week in three areas of Kabul all said they had noticed a shift in population as residents packed up and left formerly mixed neighbourhoods for more ethnically homogenous areas. They said Kabul residents fear a further decline in political stability and a return to the civil war that ravaged the city in the 1990s.

    Until 1992, people of different ethnic backgrounds lived in relative harmony in Kabul, the property dealers said. It was only after rival mujahedin factions, who had united to fight the Soviets, splintered and wrestled for political power that ethnic tensions were ignited. Commanders bombarded the city with rockets, killing and injuring tens of thousands of civilians. The memories of those days linger on in the minds of many of the city's residents.

    Today, property dealers in Ahmad Shah Baba Maina, a predominantly Pashtun area named after the founder of modern Afghanistan that lies to the north-east of Kabul, said they had seen an influx of Pashtuns who had previously settled in other areas in Kabul such as Khair Khana in the north-west and Darulaman in the west.

    One property dealer, who asked for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said: "Nowadays, we see Pashtuns going to one side [of town] and non-Pashtuns going to the other side. There is a strong perception amongst Pashtuns that if the security situation gets worse in Kabul city, they [need to] have safe ways to get back to where they came from in the villages and in the provinces. Pashtuns also do not believe in – or do not trust – the current security system."

    Ahmad Shah Baba Maina is the gateway to the east, and the predominantly Pashtun provinces of Nangarhar, Paktia and Paktika.

    A recent spate of attacks in Kabul – including the 20-hour assault on the US Embassy and Isaf's headquarters on 13 September – have exacerbated fears that the Afghan government will not be able to adequately handle security after international combat troops withdraw from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 and that the Taliban is not willing to participate in a negotiated settlement to end the insurgency. The assassination on 20 September of peace council chief Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was also the head of the Northern Alliance, also incensed northern leaders and their supports. Rumours are swirling around Kabul that the Northern Alliance is in the process of rearming so as to be prepared should there be an outbreak of ethnic violence.

    A British Government review ordered by David Cameron to be published in mid-November is likely to warn that there are "significant risks" of civil war or a Taliban takeover of the south and east of Afghanistan after 2014.

    The Mayor of Kabul declined to comment on the situation and the Central Statistics Organisation of Afghanistan refused to provide figures of the ethnic make-up of Kabul. Countrywide though, Pashtuns make up 42 per cent of the population, Tajiks 27 per cent, and Hazaras and Uzbeks 9 per cent, according to the CIA World Factbook.

    Another property dealer in Ahmad Shah Baba Maina, Haji Izat Shah Mangal, offered to show The Independent his property register, saying: "You can check that. The people who are selling the houses [here] are Uzbeks, Hazaras and Tajiks. All the buyers are Pashtuns. If anyone says that all ethnic groups are equal and do not hate each other and can live together, they would be totally wrong."

    In the area of Darulaman – blessed with a good water and power system – residents insist that Uzbeks, Tajiks and Pashtuns continue to live in harmony, even though it is a predominately Hazara area. Haji Mohammad Reza, who has run a property agency in Darulaman for eight years, qualified this, however, by saying that people "are worried that the civil war era will come back".

    At the only property dealer owned by Pashtuns in Darulaman, co-owner Gul Mohammad said: "People are not satisfied. They believe once again that the same thing [civil war] will happen. This is the reason Hazara people are coming here and the Pashtuns are going to the other side. Every ethnic group is trying to live with its own people."

    In the predominantly Tajik enclave of Khair Khana, property agent Haji Azam said that while many Pashtuns still run businesses in the area, they are no longer prepared to live there and had started renting out their houses to members of other ethnic groups. Another property dealer, Tamin, said that many Pashtuns were selling up and moving out. "The tendency is Pashtuns leaving the area and going to other parts of Kabul because their friends and fellows are there," he said.

    All the people The Independent spoke to felt that the ethnic tensions were fuelled by continued interference of foreigners in Afghanistan's affairs.

    Haji Reza, the property dealer in Darulaman, summed it up by saying: "We don't have patriotism and nationalism in Afghanistan. Here, we see everyone working in the best interests of other countries. We have a lot of agents and spies working for [the best interests of] Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan."

    Afghan tribes

    Pashtun

    Around 45 per cent of the Afghan population belongs to the dominant Pashtun ethnic group. Many believe the government favours the Pashtuns (President Karzai hails from a Pashtun tribe), causing resentment between ethnic groups.

    Hazara

    Unlike the majority of Afghans, the Hazaras are mostly Shia. Some feel victimised by Pashtun expansion.

    Tajik

    A key part of the governing elite, about a quarter of the population is Tajik. Dominant among Northern Alliance forces, Tajiks have sporadically battled the Hizb-e Wahdat political group, popular among Hazaras, since the 1990s.

    Uzbek

    Some ethnic groups tend to regard Uzbeks as former communists, partly because an Uzbek leader fought for Afghanistan's Soviet occupiers before switching sides in 1992.
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

  • #2
    I don't think civil war is coming altough a lot of Kabul recidents are paranoid, I would be to after so many years of war and almost zero progress.

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    • #3
      Afghanis will blame this on Pakistan as well. They are all from another world mass illiteracy and egotistical nationalism ethnocentric. Problem is on Pathans because they have made Afghanistan like this by always blaming their short comings on Afghani minorities or Pakistan. Like Pathans dont care about their language even the nationalist type but they use that to scapegoat claim victim against Farsi speaking Afghanis and Urdu speaking Pakistanis.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PakistaniAtheist View Post
        Afghanis will blame this on Pakistan as well. They are all from another world mass illiteracy and egotistical nationalism ethnocentric. Problem is on Pathans because they have made Afghanistan like this by always blaming their short comings on Afghani minorities or Pakistan. Like Pathans dont care about their language even the nationalist type but they use that to scapegoat claim victim against Farsi speaking Afghanis and Urdu speaking Pakistanis.
        Mr. "know it all"! Speaking of a country, a group of people or just passing your opinion on an issue; one must at least know the right terms to use or refer. There is no such thing as "Pathan" in Afghanistan and Afghani is not our national identity but a reference to our currency. Don't worry, there will be no civil war and there is no rift among Afghan ethnic groups yet it is another tactic of your "God-Father" nation Britian to inject fear and distrust into Afghan society. Today, the Afghans are more united against its traditional rival and foes than ever seen in the history.

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        • #5
          I would take this with a pinch of salt. I have friends in Kabul, and they never speak of such problems. Kabul has always been a multi ethinic place where all parts of Afghanistan have lived together, Yes I agree, Hazaras may have had problems in the past, but things are improving.

          They should see Waziristan, its more divided than the whole of Afghanistan, A Maseed is prohibited from visiting Wana and he can be expelled at gun point but a Punjab is welcomed in the Wazir areas as a Muslim brother.

          These things can be over rated at times, but however the following from the article:-

          Haji Reza, the property dealer in Darulaman, summed it up by saying: "We don't have patriotism and nationalism in Afghanistan. Here, we see everyone working in the best interests of other countries. We have a lot of agents and spies working for [the best interests of] Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan."

          is pure TRUTH.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Millatpal Noorzai View Post
            Mr. "know it all"! Speaking of a country, a group of people or just passing your opinion on an issue; one must at least know the right terms to use or refer. There is no such thing as "Pathan" in Afghanistan and Afghani is not our national identity but a reference to our currency. Don't worry, there will be no civil war and there is no rift among Afghan ethnic groups yet it is another tactic of your "God-Father" nation Britian to inject fear and distrust into Afghan society. Today, the Afghans are more united against its traditional rival and foes than ever seen in the history.

            Hi you are the same guy who is crying about pashto being rejected from bonn conference talking about ethnic favors but here you are talking about how there is not ethnic troubles. Afghanis have a very strange sense of pride. You call afghanistan afghan meaning pathan so you purposely exclude none pathan afghanis from the meaning of the nation. You never improve your langauge while farsi was improved by its speakers then you cry that farsi is used more instead of your pashto. You say Afghans are united against traditional foes i think you are again simple Pathan who has no sense of ground reality. Where is mulla omar hekmatyar haqqanis who is intermediating between them and karzai. may be you should ask tajik nothern alliance commanders about this unity against "traditional" foes. Dont kill tajik for not speaking pashto because its not as refined as farsi. I am a Punjabi but we speak Urdu because we know it is much better refined than Punjabi. We dont cry like Afghani pathans about our language not being used because we know its not in same standards as Urdu. We speak Punjabi at home but we use Urdu in everything else because of its status.

            If you want your country to succeed simple twisted sense of pride pathans must change themselves.

            Pathan is the name given to you by outsiders it has been used in much literature.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PakistaniAtheist View Post
              Hi you are the same guy who is crying about pashto being rejected from bonn conference talking about ethnic favors but here you are talking about how there is not ethnic troubles. Afghanis have a very strange sense of pride. You call afghanistan afghan meaning pathan so you purposely exclude none pathan afghanis from the meaning of the nation. You never improve your langauge while farsi was improved by its speakers then you cry that farsi is used more instead of your pashto. You say Afghans are united against traditional foes i think you are again simple Pathan who has no sense of ground reality. Where is mulla omar hekmatyar haqqanis who is intermediating between them and karzai. may be you should ask tajik nothern alliance commanders about this unity against "traditional" foes. Dont kill tajik for not speaking pashto because its not as refined as farsi. I am a Punjabi but we speak Urdu because we know it is much better refined than Punjabi. We dont cry like Afghani pathans about our language not being used because we know its not in same standards as Urdu. We speak Punjabi at home but we use Urdu in everything else because of its status.

              If you want your country to succeed simple twisted sense of pride pathans must change themselves.

              Pathan is the name given to you by outsiders it has been used in much literature.
              The real visionary of Pakistan Winston Churchill (not Iqbal) once said about Afghans: "Khan assails khan, each supported by his retainers. Every tribesman has a blood feud with his neighbor. Every man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger."
              We may be divided by language, tribes and politics but do know: We are one against Punjab, Iran and any other aggressor! If it wasn't for our internal unity and sense of nationalism, Afghanistan would long have been abolished as a state and divided like Yogoslavia, Pakistan (separation of Bangladesh/east Pakistan) and Sudan. Not a single person is killed in Afghanistan based on his/her ethnic identity whereas hundreds are killed between PPP and MQM in Pakistan each week, also screwing the poor Pashtuns in between.
              The reason you have "Pathan" so stuck in your mind is i guess because back in times when Punjabi children were put to sleep, the mothers would tell: "so jao so joa, Pathan aake sab ko kha jaye gaa". Get it out of your head, we are not coming anymore, let go of your phobia

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Millatpal Noorzai View Post
                The real visionary of Pakistan Winston Churchill (not Iqbal) once said about Afghans: "Khan assails khan, each supported by his retainers. Every tribesman has a blood feud with his neighbor. Every man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger."
                We may be divided by language, tribes and politics but do know: We are one against Punjab, Iran and any other aggressor! If it wasn't for our internal unity and sense of nationalism, Afghanistan would long have been abolished as a state and divided like Yogoslavia, Pakistan (separation of Bangladesh/east Pakistan) and Sudan. Not a single person is killed in Afghanistan based on his/her ethnic identity whereas hundreds are killed between PPP and MQM in Pakistan each week, also screwing the poor Pashtuns in between.
                The reason you have "Pathan" so stuck in your mind is i guess because back in times when Punjabi children were put to sleep, the mothers would tell: "so jao so joa, Pathan aake sab ko kha jaye gaa". Get it out of your head, we are not coming anymore, let go of your phobia

                Hi you should read how pathan mothers put pathan babies to sleep by saying hari singh will come. Pathans were ruled by Punjabis but thats not the concern here this is something only simple minded pathans like to do be proud of past history nothing to show for in the future only fake empty promise predictions. Your twisted sense of pride your ego has blinded you from reality. Punjabis Pakistanis no matter what you say or what baby story you tell are much better economically institutional than most pathans and afghanis. You can have your past history keep it it will turn into food working government and money if you put it under your pillow. I only become sad with your such pride based. Afghanistan was divided if you remember and divided fright now just look at the different people fighting each other. Please for the sake of your own people country stop fooling yourself with fake sense of ego pride it is destroying you simple minded people. I honestly sympathize with your situation I feel sorry for you. You people take pride in fighting violence ghairaat but not in education not in your people suffering because of war. You make fun of punjabis because they are not aggressive you never look at what it is doing to you. You blame others for your own way of life and thinking.

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                • #9
                  Yeah pathans were ruled by punjabis LOL
                  ( and today also )
                  By maharaja ranjit Singh ji ( all my respect for him )

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Punjabi View Post
                    Yeah pathans were ruled by punjabis LOL
                    ( and today also )
                    By maharaja ranjit Singh ji ( all my respect for him )
                    Not all pashtuns. Just those eastern ones

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                    • #11
                      i liked it better in the old days when kabulis lived in kabul, pashtuns in the south,tajiks etc in the north, heratis in herat etc

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                      • #12
                        its nothing new, the mass migrations of refugees may be a new phenomenon but people have always migrated. kabulis became kabulis because over hundreds of years, people migrated to the city. as the political and economic center of the country, its only natural.
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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