Pashto kicked off the upcoming Bonn conference!

[graveyardofempires]

its big affrond against the afghan nation , even that they dont use it , it sent out a signal . especially if we consider that europe is full of sholae dota and other **** ,who have khorosan/tajikfacist dreams

besides soldat amir , talk for yourself , its true that our language is not respected as it should be , but we have an unique language , its not arabic nor urdu nor farsi .

if you complain about it , than start by yourself and learn your language , read old books ,preserve and cultivate our language , instead of watching day in day out bollywood movies or listening to american music , or similar acts.

every language has got it loan words , take english or german how many greek and latin words are in it ? or taken over ?

so our language is not arabised or farsibied , and let alone urduised , its maybe true that certain socalled "pathans" spent too much time with punjabis ,but they dont represent the majority of us .

by the way ,can some one tell me where i can get a pashto keyboard and typing programm ? so i can stop using the najezz angress language ,when i am talking with you ?

you are the same as those so called khurasanis ,stop talking crap to your amir here little boy.
he is right you people need to only speak english cuz you love the americans nightraiding your houses.

[torkham]

i applauded karzai for wearing qamiz partog, chapan and karakul buz on his head, because majority of leaders like to ape westerners ties and suits

i applauded karzai for speaking some pashto (although not enough) at the jirgas, when other countries love to speak english in their parliaments (eg indians, pakistanis)

i hoped a lot out of karzai for afghans, for afghanistan, . . . that is another political discussion, but dropping pashto is shameful, retrograde step, even if it is bonn.

alright some might argue clothes make a superficial issue, but for me it is a pinnacle of cultural, national and personal pride (of our leaders) to be able to stand up and speak pashto, at UN, at the what house, in London or Paris, and let the translators do their job.

[randolph85]

if i were president, id make all ambassadors to other countries wear afghan clothes while there instead of those ridiculous suits and ties.

in fact, id ban suits and ties from government institutions.

[IamDZJ]

maybe they don't trust translators.
if a pashtun is attending then he should speak in pashtu. no one has the right to throw him out of the conference room for speaking pashtu. if they feel pressured and are not going to do just that because no one else is doing it then they ought to be ashamed of themselves. they are the only ones to be blamed for allowing others to bully them like that. of course people will walk all over you if you be a beghairat doormat like that.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

Just to clear the confusion; Dari spoken in Afghanistan is different from Farsi spoken in Iran and Tajikistan. Those of you that know Dari and are familiar with Iranian Farsi would contend that Dari is an Arabized version of Farsi. Most of the terms and vocabulary used in Dari language is driven from Arabic. Whereas, Iranian Farsi is kept somehow genuine with continuous neologism and non exhausting literary efforts by its intelligentsia. Dari speakers in Afghanistan have been trying for the past decade to replace Dari with Farsi in Afghanistan starting with the state terminology and literature, they have succeeded to an extent but that has put Pashtun intellectuals in a competitive position and they too are sparing no efforts to promote Pashto.
Pashto in Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa has advanced with a higher pace in the past ten years but still needs much more work to compete with regional languages ie. Urdu and Farsi. The change starts with you: پښتو ولیکۍ او پښتو ولولئ، له نورو ژبو څخه ګټور آثار پښتو ژبي ته وژباړۍ. ترهر څه زیات باید دا زیار وباسو چي پښتو څنګه ده انټرنیټ ژبه وګرځوؤ

[Alchemist]

Just to clear the confusion; Dari spoken in Afghanistan is different from Farsi spoken in Iran and Tajikistan. Those of you that know Dari and are familiar with Iranian Farsi would contend that Dari is an Arabized version of Farsi. Most of the terms and vocabulary used in Dari language is driven from Arabic. Whereas, Iranian Farsi is kept somehow genuine with continuous neologism and non exhausting literary efforts by its intelligentsia. Dari speakers in Afghanistan have been trying for the past decade to replace Dari with Farsi in Afghanistan starting with the state terminology and literature, they have succeeded to an extent but that has put Pashtun intellectuals in a competitive position and they too are sparing no efforts to promote Pashto.
Pashto in Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa has advanced with a higher pace in the past ten years but still needs much more work to compete with regional languages ie. Urdu and Farsi. The change starts with you: پښتو ولیکۍ او پښتو ولولئ، له نورو ژبو څخه ګټور آثار پښتو ژبي ته وژباړۍ. ترهر څه زیات باید دا زیار وباسو چي پښتو څنګه ده انټرنیټ ژبه وګرځوؤ

You just made up this history from thin air.


In writing there isn't much difference between farsi and dari. Dari is different from farsi when spoken. The poetry of Hafiz or rumi...the Shahnama...all written in original farsi, the farsi of Afghanistan. The Dari was introduced later to distinguish it from farsi, much recently.

Both farsi/Dari are derived from arabic. About 60% of it is from arabic.

You say the word ghairat, that is originally an arabic word - gheera. There is arabic influene in Pashto too.

Urdu in turn is derived from a mix of Farsi and hindi. If you read the poetry of Iqbal, most of his vocabulary is farsi.


Getting back to the original post.

I think you guys are forgetting that the original Bonn Conference was set up between the powers to be (the west) and the "Northern Alliance". You are surprised that Pashto has taken a back seat here? That karzai, the royalist, barely speaks pashto is news to you?
The mass media doesn't even mention that that pashto is off the table...their main concern is that women aren't there.

Originally the conference was located in Bonn because Afghanistan was being run by villager pashtuns that had graduated from madrassas and these people wanted to plan a way to replace them. The fact that Karzai, the Afghan President, has to fly to Germany to a conference with foreigners to make plans for Afghanistan should be alarming in itself for you.

You guys are just worried that pashto is not on the menu...srsly? Its just a language. Why don't we change back the forum to Pashto then instead of English... mediocre.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

You just made up this history from thin air.


In writing there isn't much difference between farsi and dari. Dari is different from farsi when spoken. The poetry of Hafiz or rumi...the Shahnama...all written in original farsi, the farsi of Afghanistan. The Dari was introduced later to distinguish it from farsi, much recently.

Both farsi/Dari are derived from arabic. About 60% of it is from arabic.

You say the word ghairat, that is originally an arabic word - gheera. There is arabic influene in Pashto too.

Urdu in turn is derived from a mix of Farsi and hindi. If you read the poetry of Iqbal, most of his vocabulary is farsi.


Getting back to the original post.

I think you guys are forgetting that the original Bonn Conference was set up between the powers to be (the west) and the "Northern Alliance". You are surprised that Pashto has taken a back seat here? That karzai, the royalist, barely speaks pashto is news to you?
The mass media doesn't even mention that that pashto is off the table...their main concern is that women aren't there.

Originally the conference was located in Bonn because Afghanistan was being run by villager pashtuns that had graduated from madrassas and these people wanted to plan a way to replace them. The fact that Karzai, the Afghan President, has to fly to Germany to a conference with foreigners to make plans for Afghanistan should be alarming in itself for you.

You guys are just worried that pashto is not on the menu...srsly? Its just a language. Why don't we change back the forum to Pashto then instead of English... mediocre.

It is not the dialects that distinguishes Dari from Farsi but a huge proportion of vocabulary, idioms and phrases used. By the way, Rumi and Sherazi are not from Afghanistan but from Iran and Tajikistan, that i have already referred to as Farsi speakers. Dari was not introduced recently or in the past century to be alienated from Farsi by state or any ruler or Pashtuns (as some would argue) to undermine it. Dari speaking historians and intellectuals argue that Dari used to be the official and royal dialect of Persian royals (Lisaan-e-Darbaar) at the time and that Farsi was a language for the average Persian. Dari has been the language of Afghan rulers ever since Herat and Kandahar were conquered by Persians. Due to the weak state of Pashto language and a lack of Pashtun literate intelligentsia working in the government (very unfortunate though), it was preferred to have Dari for official use. However, the state terminology for civil and military affairs alongside the national anthem was kept Pashto and still is.
Pashtuns do not use "Ghairat" as a term for honor, the Pashto word is "Nang". Nangyalai is a common name in Pashtuns meaning a person with honor. I am very confident to say that though there hasn't been significant literary service done to Pashto but it is a language which for the most is not polluted by Arabic.
The thread was about the inclusion or exclusion of Pashto language in upcoming Bonn conference not its social and political prospects.