The Elites

[Afghanistan2010]

what purpose does this thread serve? leave it to karkargil to jump at any opportunity to gossip and backbite. what is the point of copy pasting hades if you intend on gossiping and backbiting at the end of the day anyways.

Backbite is if you speak wrong of the appearance of someone,not his wrong attituede.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Backbite is if you speak wrong of the appearance of someone,not his wrong attituede.

Islam Question and Answer - The hadeeth,

What is your opinion regarding this hadeeth “There is no gheebah for a fasiq”? If it is an authentic hadeeth, then is warning others of an envious person considered gheebah or not? Which type of sinners can we warn others of without being guilty of gheebah?.

Praise be to Allaah.
Gheebah is haraam and emphatically so, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?”

[al-Hujuraat 49:12].

And it is proven from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “When I was taken up into heaven, I was taken past some people who had nails of copper with which they were scratching their faces and chests. I said: Who are these, O Jibreel? He said: These are the ones who ate the flesh of the people and impugned their honour.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad and Abu Dawood with a saheeh isnaad. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) defined gheebah as saying about your brother that which he dislikes.

It is permissible in a few cases which are indicated by shar’i evidence when there is a need for that, such as if someone consults you with regard to marriage or business partnership, or if someone complains to the ruler and asks him to put a stop to a person's wrongdoing. In that case there is nothing wrong with saying about him things that he dislikes for the purpose of serving an obvious interest. One of them compiled a list of the cases in which gheebah is permissible in two lines of verse in which he said:

Criticism is not gheebah in six cases: complaining about mistreatment, identifying a person, warning about a person,

highlighting evildoing, seeking a fatwa, and seeking help to remove an evil.

But if there is no obvious interest to be served by mentioning him in a way that he dislikes, then it comes under the heading of gheebah which is haraam.

With regard to the question about the phrase “There is no gheebah (backbiting) in the case of a faasiq (evildoer)” and whether it is a hadeeth or not, Imam Ahmad said it is munkar. Al-Haakim, al-Daaraqutni and al-Khateeb said: it is false.

But the fact that there is no gheebah in the case of a faasiq (an evildoer who openly commits sins) is indicated by the proven report which says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) saw a funeral passing by, and those who were with him spoke ill of the deceased person, and he (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is due.” Then another funeral passed by, and they spoke well of the deceased person, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is due.” They asked him what he had meant by saying it is due, and he said: “The one of whom you spoke ill, Hell is his due, and the one of whom you spoke well, Paradise is his due. You are the witnesses of Allaah on His earth.” and he did not rebuke them for speaking ill of the deceased person of whose evildoing they were aware. This indicates that if a person commits evil openly, there is no gheebah in his case.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.


Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Ifta’ (26/19)

[Alchemist]

So there you have it DJZ...

thanks to ****mitar's excellent googling skills you now know that what I posted is not considered gossip... hence you were wrong. Hang your head in shame.

[IamDZJ]

I don't read long posts. Not even when they are posted by you or your boyfriend skimface.... So I will stick to my own accords.
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[ScimitarXEdge]

So there you have it DJZ...

thanks to ****mitar's excellent googling skills you now know that what I posted is not considered gossip... hence you were wrong. Hang your head in shame.

actually, what I posted proves that you are committing ghaibah, your intention hear is merely to smear , not to help or provide solutions for the problem.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You will sell your soul to the devil just to prove the west wrong. And you do this in the name if Islam. They have an entire level reserved in hell for your type.

what else can you expect from someone who sells Pork products for a living but comes online and acts like an E-warrior for Islam

[Afghanistan2010]

actually, what I posted proves that you are committing ghaibah, your intention hear is merely to smear , not to help or provide solutions for the problem.

are you crazy read it again, it think you should visit a course on how to read a text clearly.

it is stated clearly :

It is permissible in a few cases which are indicated by shar’i evidence when there is a need for that, such as if someone consults you with regard to marriage or business partnership, or if someone complains to the ruler and asks him to put a stop to a person's wrongdoing. In that case there is nothing wrong with saying about him things that he dislikes for the purpose of serving an obvious interest. One of them compiled a list of the cases in which gheebah is permissible in two lines of verse in which he said:

Criticism is not gheebah in six cases: complaining about mistreatment, identifying a person, warning about a person,

highlighting evildoing, seeking a fatwa, and seeking help to remove an evil.

But if there is no obvious interest to be served by mentioning him in a way that he dislikes, then it comes under the heading of gheebah which is haraam.

With regard to the question about the phrase “There is no gheebah (backbiting) in the case of a faasiq (evildoer)” and whether it is a hadeeth or not, Imam Ahmad said it is munkar. Al-Haakim, al-Daaraqutni and al-Khateeb said: it is false.

But the fact that there is no gheebah in the case of a faasiq (an evildoer who openly commits sins) is indicated by the proven report which says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) saw a funeral passing by, and those who were with him spoke ill of the deceased person, and he (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is due.” Then another funeral passed by, and they spoke well of the deceased person, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is due.” They asked him what he had meant by saying it is due, and he said: “The one of whom you spoke ill, Hell is his due, and the one of whom you spoke well, Paradise is his due. You are the witnesses of Allaah on His earth.” and he did not rebuke them for speaking ill of the deceased person of whose evildoing they were aware. This indicates that if a person commits evil openly, there is no gheebah in his case.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You missed this part Munafiq Pakistan2010

It is permissible in a few cases which are indicated by shar’i evidence when there is a need for that, such as if someone consults you with regard to marriage or business partnership, or if someone complains to the ruler and asks him to put a stop to a person's wrongdoing. In that case there is nothing wrong with saying about him things that he dislikes for the purpose of serving an obvious interest. One of them compiled a list of the cases in which gheebah is permissible in two lines of verse in which he said:

Criticism is not gheebah in six cases: complaining about mistreatment, identifying a person, warning about a person,

highlighting evildoing, seeking a fatwa, and seeking help to remove an evil.

But if there is no obvious interest to be served by mentioning him in a way that he dislikes, then it comes under the heading of gheebah which is haraam.

You were lying and saying Ghaibah deals with appearance. ...and also you're not doing it within Shari'ah Limits of criticism, thereby you're committing Ghaibah.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I didnt read the whole thing, but I think Alchemist, with the title of the thread, was trying to impart a message about the way the world works ( I may be wrong). He is pointing out that while the country leaders and elites of all brands applaud the war with the support the royal marines rhetoric etc., they are busy sacrificing at the alter of bachus. The same thing occured here in DC where the Madame ring was busted and it was determined that all these big wigs were too busy seeking pleasure while not thinking twice about sending kids from Oklahoma and Tennessee to their deaths in far away places like Somalia, the Sunni triangle, Forward Operating Base Shinwar, etc.

This isnt the time of Charlamegne or Salahuddin where the leader leads his army into war... its the era of McChrystal getting a kush teaching gig at Yale while boys from Ohio's valleys die in Afghan valleys for a cause important to the elites, but having no effect on them whatsoever.

I may be wrong... Alchemist can correct me if I missed the point. But I think hes conveying that all of us are being played.... and we've been getting played for decades now, in Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Cambodia, etc. while Kennedy was busy building relationships with Marilyn etc.

[khushal]

actually, what I posted proves that you are committing ghaibah, your intention hear is merely to smear , not to help or provide solutions for the problem.

not necessarily, information about the behavior of the so called leaders of the free world is not mere smearing, it portrays them as they truly are and that is corrupt.

[ScimitarXEdge]

not necessarily, information about the behavior of the so called leaders of the free world is not mere smearing, it portrays them as they truly are and that is corrupt.

yeah ....and the royal family who are just a figurehead monarchy, are not leaders of the free world.

[ScimitarXEdge]

isn't it ironic the most hyper extremist self professed pious Muslims are the worst in doing heinous crimes like selling harram meat , such as pig flesh and ghaibah, suicide bombing and murdering other Muslims, pederasty

These are the people who need the spotlight for their heinous and despicable behavior; what concern is it of Muslims for kufar and their degenerate royalty.

What this thread proves is Alchemist searches for porn on the internet, and to absolve his guilt, he comes on trying to make a moral statement to redeem himself.

[Alchemist]

I didnt read the whole thing, but I think Alchemist, with the title of the thread, was trying to impart a message about the way the world works ( I may be wrong). He is pointing out that while the country leaders and elites of all brands applaud the war with the support the royal marines rhetoric etc., they are busy sacrificing at the alter of bachus. The same thing occured here in DC where the Madame ring was busted and it was determined that all these big wigs were too busy seeking pleasure while not thinking twice about sending kids from Oklahoma and Tennessee to their deaths in far away places like Somalia, the Sunni triangle, Forward Operating Base Shinwar, etc.

This isnt the time of Charlamegne or Salahuddin where the leader leads his army into war... its the era of McChrystal getting a kush teaching gig at Yale while boys from Ohio's valleys die in Afghan valleys for a cause important to the elites, but having no effect on them whatsoever.

I may be wrong... Alchemist can correct me if I missed the point. But I think hes conveying that all of us are being played.... and we've been getting played for decades now, in Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Cambodia, etc. while Kennedy was busy building relationships with Marilyn etc.

You are right on the money sir...


Great minds think alike

[Tjanaparh]

Ara vay vay !
Dear Scimitar , I have to laugh!
I agree with what You generally mean , but I have to laugh - why do You fight eachother with Alchemist continously, werent You friends at the begining?
If a friend has done something wrong , help him! Do not fight against!
Every evening i open PF or Alchemist creates a new THEME against you , or You judge him for pork meat!
Where do You get this pork information from?

You both I think went a bit far!
Every your discussion is like a show of "who is right and who should be blamed for the rest of his life"

It is funny perhaps to look on that- but I am sorry that people like You both cannot calm a moment and simply argue without hurting eachother.

[ScimitarXEdge]

he runs a Subway Sandwich shop; if you google their menu, they sell ham.