Pakistan given the starkest warning

[Toramana]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An unusually powerful American delegation arrived here on Thursday to deliver the starkest warning yet to Pakistan, according to a senior American official: that the United States would act unilaterally if necessary to attack extremist groups ...

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[Toramana]

In a carefully framed diplomatic formulation, India's External Affairs Minister S M Krishna has warned of "devastating consequences" if the United States and Pakistan failed to heal their rift. Krishna chose to speak in the presence of the visiting French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe at their joint press conference in New Delhi. France just pulled out the first batch of 200 troops from Afghanistan as part of its ....

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[Talal]

so..what do u think toramana ? whats gonna happen what will be the Pakistani Army's move ?

[sanman]

The Americans will continue to increase the pressure on Pakistan until it grants permission for an American operation, or does the job itself. There is no way out for Pakistan.

[randolph85]

father and son going at it. both are worthless.

[Toramana]

father and son going at it. both are worthless.

Wooo---so you want both to be annihilated for the more worthy to take the place haan?

[randolph85]

Wooo---so you want both to be annihilated for the more worthy to take the place haan?

who said annihilated? i said they are worthless as in they cause more problems than they solve. as in with out worth, ya dig? both entities are harmful to afghanistan, and have the same interests in the country. they both want afghanistan to be subservient at all costs. yet one country, the US, has the obvious superpower delusion in which whatever says goes. pakistan comes at afghanistan with a napoleon complex in relation to the region and the US.

[sanman]

[sanman]

[Soldat_Amir]

The Americans will continue to increase the pressure on Pakistan until it grants permission for an American operation, or does the job itself. There is no way out for Pakistan.

Not just this, Pakistan thinks China and Russia will bail them out. We seen how the Chinese back stabbed Qadafi, the same Qadafi that was popular in China and more respected in China than Pakistan.

Chinese are two faced and will only look out for their own interests and will choose the winning side just as they did to Libya, when they first opposed Rebels but then joined them against Qadafi.

When America starts attacking Haqqani network and the other Terrorists from outside Pashtun land, all America needs to do, is remind China of its own Islamist uprising, and there you go, Pakistan will be left with nothing.

[sanman]

Well, looking beyond Qaddafi, see how China has treated North Korea. Has wealthy China given North Koreans enough aid to keep them from starving? No, not at all - China just gives aid to the North Korean military, to keep them alive, and meanwhile the rest of the North Korean people are allowed to starve. China only needs the North Korean army to survive, and does not care anything about the North Korean people.

So this could be the fate of Pakistan as well. China might give some aid for the Pakistan army to survive, but it won't keep the rest of the Pakistani people from starving. So Pakistan could go down the North Korean gutter.

When Pakistan suffered from floods last year, the US gave Pakistan $628million in aid. But China only gave $18million in aid. They don't care to give Pakistan huge sums of money - to them, Pakistan is a cheap defense against India. But to them, Pakistan is also a deadbeat country which never pays back loans, and capable of swallowing endless amounts of money. So they aren't foolish enough to give money to those who won't pay it back. Pakistan is a tar baby, and so China won't embrace it too closely.

[Soldat_Amir]

Well, looking beyond Qaddafi, see how China has treated North Korea. Has wealthy China given North Koreans enough aid to keep them from starving? No, not at all - China just gives aid to the North Korean military, to keep them alive, and meanwhile the rest of the North Korean people are allowed to starve. China only needs the North Korean army to survive, and does not care anything about the North Korean people.

So this could be the fate of Pakistan as well. China might give some aid for the Pakistan army to survive, but it won't keep the rest of the Pakistani people from starving. So Pakistan could go down the North Korean gutter.

When Pakistan suffered from floods last year, the US gave Pakistan $628million in aid. But China only gave $18million in aid. They don't care to give Pakistan huge sums of money - to them, Pakistan is a cheap defense against India. But to them, Pakistan is also a deadbeat country which never pays back loans, and capable of swallowing endless amounts of money. So they aren't foolish enough to give money to those who won't pay it back. Pakistan is a tar baby, and so China won't embrace it too closely.

Try explaining to that to the patriotic Pakistanis who assume China will come to their assistance when America attacks them!

Pakistanis are too gullible as a whole!

China will not risk going down the drain with Pakistan especially when it comes to America, China has opposed many of America's military campaigns but in the end, China has always supported them eventually.

Just recently,China accused a Islamist who attacked a minister of theirs(I am sure) was trained in Pakistan.

Pakistanis deserve what they get, they can cry all they want! but the consequence will come to them very soon!

[Talal]

No possibility of US boots on Pak ground: Hillary

No possibility of US boots on Pak ground: Hillary


Islamabad: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has ruled out the possibility of US boots on Pakistani ground, saying that the option “may have been raised, but it was not at all considered” at a national security meeting in Washington.

When asked to confirm during a roundtable interview with Pakistani news channels whether the option of sending ground troops to Pakistan was raised in a recent national security meeting chaired by US President Barack Obama, Hillary replied: “Well, everything is raised in a meeting with people sitting around a table, and that has – that reflects the worry and the frustration for this reason.”

She pointed out that as the Secretary of State, she is responsible for the lives and the well-being of US diplomats and employees and America’s local employees in embassies across the globe.



“We have been warning about the Haqqanis, we’ve been warning about safe havens, we have presented information and evidence, we have shared intelligence,” Hillary emphasised.

She stated that the US does not want to launch unilateral military action in Pakistan, but also stressed that there should be no misunderstanding about the necessity of action against militants.

“We don’t want to act unilaterally. We want to act in concert with our friends, our partners, our strategic allies in Pakistan, but we don’t want there to be any misunderstanding that we have to act, otherwise there will be perhaps an incident in the future that takes it out of the hands of any president. We don’t want to get to that, and it’s something that we are doing everything we can to avoid,” Hillary said.

“So when we talk about actions, we talk about specific things we can do together. But a lot of it depends upon cooperation with our Pakistani counterpart. We think that is far better than having some disaster happen that requires some kind of response, which we are not at all interested in getting to. We want to avoid that,” she added.



No possibility of US boots on Pak ground: Hillary

[Talal]

its kinda ironic isnt it ? every one here curses out Pakistan, yet it is only Pakistan among all the other stakeholders ( India, Iran, US & Afghanistan ) that is pushing for a pashtun lead solution to Afghanistan which will see pashtuns replacing the current tajik dominated government and army

[sanman]

its kinda ironic isnt it ? every one here curses out Pakistan, yet it is only Pakistan among all the other stakeholders ( India, Iran, US & Afghanistan ) that is pushing for a pashtun lead solution to Afghanistan which will see pashtuns replacing the current tajik dominated government and army

The problem with you is that you consider "ISI Pashtun" to be the real Pashtuns. Taliban are just cosmetically Pashtun, and their allegiance to ISI's agenda is their most defining characteristic. Hekmatyar was Pashtun too, but when he failed to formally recognize the Durand Line as Pakistan wanted, then he was quickly discarded and replaced with Taliban.

Under Taliban there will be no Tajiks or Uzbeks or Hazaras in any branch of govt, because it will all be under Taliban dictatorship. And Pakistan is fine with that, because their real goal is to keep Pashtuns in a perpetual state of war, so that the Pashtuns will keep clinging to Islamabad/Rawalpindi for support while confronting their "enemies"(communist/American/Tajik/Uzbek/Hazara/whoever - anybody but Pakjabis)

That's when AlQaeda will creep back in, because Taliban's brand of fundamentalist Islam naturally cultivates ties with AlQaeda types. Furthermore, Taliban/Pakistan on their own don't have the resources to conquer the north.