First Person: Why I Joined the Taliban

[sanman]

yes, its called what states do when dealing with people who are responsible for crimes against the other state while living in another. and btw, it was not the taliban who attacked america, and there is no evidence in 10 yrs that shows the taliban had anything to do with the attacks, much less know about them.

Ohh, give me a break - Taliban were harboring the enemy Bin Laden.
Look, I don't care about convincing you, because your arguments are so corrupt that your opinion is worthless. You only destroy your own credibility. You're out there on the fringe.

who have talked to the taliban and for what reasons? the fact that no one has talked to them is probably the issue here.

Hah, why don't the Taliban make efforts to talk to those they're fighting with? What makes them so special that everybody needs to revolve around their wants, crazy as they are?

If you don't want somebody to attack you back, then don't plunge airliners into their cities and lie about it like you're lil' Bart Simpson:



Listen Bart - we're not talking about whether you swiped some cookies, here. When you burn somebody else's cities, then you're going to burn.
"I didn't do it" just doesn't cut it. The little boy's fib doesn't work at the level of international geopolitics.

Taliban wanted Masood dead. Osama helped kill him. In return, Taliban (STUPIDLY) allowed Osama's organization to pull off an attack on the cities of the world's largest superpower.

Tell me - don't you think Taliban would have come out ahead, if they had merely just thanked Osama for Masood's assassination, and then just given him a kiss? What would Osama have done - thrown a tantrum and pouted?

But naaaaahhhhh - being the absolutely brightest in their GANG OF VILLAGE IDIOTS - they said "Well, a bargain is a bargain, so in return for Osama's help, we will now allow our whole country to be invaded by the United States and its Western allies. Because Osama killed this one guy for us, so it's a fair trade."

Good job praising the village idiots for their fabulous reasoning, "randolph" - you must have a lot of time to waste.

the issue is not casualties. kill 10,000 US soldiers, and u can replace those meatheads with no problem. the issue is the cost of the war. taking inflation into consideration, afghanistan has cost about the same, if not more, than the war in vietnam.

FOOL - when the US borrows, that borrowing occurs in US DOLLARS - therefore any inflation simply devalues the currency AND THUS THE SIZE OF THAT DEBT ITSELF. Nobody else has the power to do this, genius. That's why you can't hope to outspend the United States.

US oil companies who invited taliban delegations to texas and elsewhere in the US may beg to differ. there are also bases in most of the central asian states which americans can't find on the map or have even heard of.

Yes, those US invitations to Taliban occurred under the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, when Madeleine Albright was US Secretary of State.
And do you know who Madeleine Albright's teacher and mentor was? Dr Zbigniew Brzezinski.




Now why would the US Secretary of State want to invite a bunch of fanatical nutcases like the Taliban to the US??

Because Madeleine Albright, student of Dr Zbigniew Brzezinski is obsessed with fighting Moscow. Even though Soviet Union collapsed, she still wanted to continue the fight.

Madeleine Albright, the US Secretary of State at the time, was not born in the United States. She was born in Czechoslovakia - a country which was invaded and occupied by the Soviets. Ever heard of Prague Spring? That's where Arab Spring gets its name from. She was born Maria Jana Korbel, and she came to the US as a refugee, just like her mentor Brzezinski.

She was brought there by her father Josef Korbel, who was a Czech diplomat. Professor Josef Korbel became a professor of political science at the University of Denver, and his daughter learned her politics from him, and then later Brzezinski. Do you know who another of Prof Korbel's star pupils is? Dr Condoleeza Rice, who studied under him in Denver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Korbel

I met Condoleeza Rice once, on the internet, before she became famous. Nobody had heard of her, before she became Bush's national security advisor - same role that Brzezinski had under Carter.

[Nurzai]

Why is this Sanman not banned?

He clearly tries to divide us Muslims. He is either a American or hindu Indian living in the west.

As everybody apart from you and your communist friend, soldat-amir has told you, there were few hundred Al Qaeda fighters at the highest before 9/11. The same is truth now.

He is American but I haven't determined any additional background (he will likely deny this). As for the other one, I have background with Russian language for my own reasons. The first time I read the Russian word for soldier used as someone's user name here I had strong suspicion of their ideological worldview... You make good point though regarding why aren't certain people banned. Reading political section of this forum reminds me of nothing more than average Western political talk forum and it's mostly because of the aforementioned personalities. Am I reading Pashtun oriented forum or Topix?

[sanman]

Nurzai, the problem for you is that your definition of Pashtun is "ISI Pashtun"

Only those who have loyalty to Islamabad are "real Pashtuns" for you.

Mr Al-Arab, being a foreigner himself, wants to call the shots on who is the "good foreigner"(himself) and who is the "bad foreigner"(anybody who disagrees with him)

I again submit to you that Arabs are trying to use Afghans(Pashtuns in particular) to fight his own personal battles for him. Like Brzezinski from Poland, like Albright from Czechoslovakia, who used the US and Cambodians and Afghans to fight their own personal battles for them, Mr Al-Arab wants to use other nations to fight his battles.
And then he will say "it's for the good of the Ummah"

He doesn't mention that his Al-Tikriti clan were closely aligned to the Soviets, with all the military hardware bought from Moscow. Does he include the two-thirds Shia majority of his "country" (Churchill's experiment) as part of his Ummah? Since Iraq is a Shia-majority "country", I think he understands what will happen after the Americans leave. He will be in the minority.

Maybe that's why he wants to join the Taliban - because they are anti-Shia. He says Muslims should not be divided, but he fails to notice that the Taliban hate Shias, and that attacks on Shias across Afghanistan and Pakistan have grown rapidly with the rise of Taliban. No doubt he will tell you that it is all the Shia's own fault, or else he will tell you it is the CIA/Mossad/Martians doing it.

Nurzai, if you are God-fearing, then you should not shun the facts that others present you, even if those facts are inconvenient to your established beliefs. You should instead try to address those facts directly. Ducking or evading them only shows weakness of faith. One only ducks the facts presented by others, when one doubts one's own beliefs. The ability to look other people's arguments straight in the eye, and firmly debate them, is a sign of strength of one's own beliefs and convictions. Are you a weak-faithed person, or a strong-faithed person?

[Soldat_Amir]

He is American but I haven't determined any additional background (he will likely deny this). As for the other one, I have background with Russian language for my own reasons. The first time I read the Russian word for soldier used as someone's user name here I had strong suspicion of their ideological worldview... You make good point though regarding why aren't certain people banned. Reading political section of this forum reminds me of nothing more than average Western political talk forum and it's mostly because of the aforementioned personalities. Am I reading Pashtun oriented forum or Topix?

ohhhhh mu user name means za Russian Faujiii Yam

Nurzai, Al-Arab comes on here, telling everyone how Arabs are the most intelligent people and most clever, and his sources are Arabs for saying this.

Hows about I change my user name to Amir al Waziristan Al Mujahid Al Fisabillah Fedyayeeen!

Problem with people like you, is you assume all Pashtuns follow the same intellect as you, the usual Pro ISI Pro Pak Pro Janiet nonsense, but most Pashtuns dont, Most Pashtuns can think for themselves, and they dont need to take references frm Arab folklore nor from the West.

You suffer from "different peoples opinions"

The usual "Western born card" always gets shown by weak minded individuals on here, as if we Pashtuns Pre-Islamically were born and influenced by Islam without any intervention from the Arabs and Turks by force obviously!

Mankind changes, people change, nations are led by change!

Islam changed the Pashtun nation, Islam is not a ideology born from the region, it was imported on top of big armies, so I rest my case, I support aspect of every political system including the west, to be implimented in a future modern Afghanistan.

[Tjanaparh]

Soldat actually is also in German Soldat and Italian....
It comes from latin!
So You can with the same success say that Soldat Amir is an ancient Roman legionar.
This conspiracy theories can annoy really.
Strangely he is one among very few who shows his real identity here and isn't doubting one others identities!

[retro]

Nurzai, the problem for you is that your definition of Pashtun is "ISI Pashtun"

Only those who have loyalty to Islamabad are "real Pashtuns" for you.

Mr Al-Arab, being a foreigner himself, wants to call the shots on who is the "good foreigner"(himself) and who is the "bad foreigner"(anybody who disagrees with him)

I again submit to you that Arabs are trying to use Afghans(Pashtuns in particular) to fight his own personal battles for him. Like Brzezinski from Poland, like Albright from Czechoslovakia, who used the US and Cambodians and Afghans to fight their own personal battles for them, Mr Al-Arab wants to use other nations to fight his battles.
And then he will say "it's for the good of the Ummah"

He doesn't mention that his Al-Tikriti clan were closely aligned to the Soviets, with all the military hardware bought from Moscow. Does he include the two-thirds Shia majority of his "country" (Churchill's experiment) as part of his Ummah? Since Iraq is a Shia-majority "country", I think he understands what will happen after the Americans leave. He will be in the minority.

Maybe that's why he wants to join the Taliban - because they are anti-Shia. He says Muslims should not be divided, but he fails to notice that the Taliban hate Shias, and that attacks on Shias across Afghanistan and Pakistan have grown rapidly with the rise of Taliban. No doubt he will tell you that it is all the Shia's own fault, or else he will tell you it is the CIA/Mossad/Martians doing it.

Nurzai, if you are God-fearing, then you should not shun the facts that others present you, even if those facts are inconvenient to your established beliefs. You should instead try to address those facts directly. Ducking or evading them only shows weakness of faith. One only ducks the facts presented by others, when one doubts one's own beliefs. The ability to look other people's arguments straight in the eye, and firmly debate them, is a sign of strength of one's own beliefs and convictions. Are you a weak-faithed person, or a strong-faithed person?

Whilst the Talibans doctine of perpetual jihad and their systemic corruption, go hand in glove. The Pashtuns alignment with Pakistan isn't anywhere as nearly as illogical. As America's alliance with Israel and Brzezinski and Albright are both Jews like yourself.

Although the Gulf Arabs oil reserves are rapidly being depleted. The Arabs nevertheless still have few trillion USD in western assets. Which gives them a great deal of leverage. However the demographic transition in the Middle East favours the Shia.

Sunnis don't view the Shia or other sects as being Muslims, but rather apostates of Islam and the Shia are only marginally more pluralistic than the Sunnis.

[Soldat_Amir]

Soldat actually is also in German Soldat and Italian....
It comes from latin!
So You can with the same success say that Soldat Amir is an ancient Roman legionar.
This conspiracy theories can annoy really.
Strangely he is one among very few who shows his real identity here and isn't doubting one others identities!

Exactly, Ive even posted a pic of myself. I have nothing to hide nor follow any hidden motive but to see my people progress and become a modern developed nation instead of a nation of "chowkinders" for foreigners including the Muslim world i.e Dubai labour workers, Pakistani gate keepers, mercenaries for the Bahrainian king etc etc etc

It hurts me even more seeing my own people whipped to stand in line to pick up rations.

We were once a very noble race of people, who lived isolated from the world and followed a code of honor at the time that kept us from dissolving into neighbouring nations.

Now a days, our people have been so much brainwashed due to Arabs,Punjabis, Indian bollywood etc etc etc

[Soldat_Amir]

Whilst the Talibans doctine of perpetual jihad and their systemic corruption, go hand in glove. The Pashtuns alignment with Pakistan isn't anywhere as nearly as illogical. As America's alliance with Israel and Brzezinski and Albright are both Jews like yourself.

Although the Gulf Arabs oil reserves are rapidly being depleted. The Arabs nevertheless still have few trillion USD in western assets. Which gives them a great deal of leverage. However the demographic transition in the Middle East favours the Shia.

Sunnis don't view the Shia or other sects as being Muslims, but rather apostates of Islam and the Shia are only marginally more pluralistic than the Sunnis.

I would take this Shia vs Sunni conflict with a pinch of salt, even within the Sunnis, there are inner fighting and conflict i.e Wahabis hating Sufis, Salafis hate them all etc etc

This what happens when you follow ideologies that cant be explained with logic, you get indifferences which lead to violence.

[sanman]

Whilst the Talibans doctine of perpetual jihad and their systemic corruption, go hand in glove. The Pashtuns alignment with Pakistan isn't anywhere as nearly as illogical. As America's alliance with Israel and Brzezinski and Albright are both Jews like yourself.

I am not a Jew, sir - neither by ancestry, nor by belief.
I am an atheist, FYI.

Although the Gulf Arabs oil reserves are rapidly being depleted. The Arabs nevertheless still have few trillion USD in western assets. Which gives them a great deal of leverage. However the demographic transition in the Middle East favours the Shia.

Sunnis don't view the Shia or other sects as being Muslims, but rather apostates of Islam and the Shia are only marginally more pluralistic than the Sunnis.

This is not the Sunni view of Shiism, it is rather the Wahabbi view.