The Citizen vs. The Tribesmen

[kakargirl]

Islam came to Afghanistan during the Ghananvi period. The Arabs did come before him, but were pushed back, and their traces were very much limited.

Waziristan is the same as Afghanistan, and the Islam practiced by Pashtuns during the pre-1970's period was not the radical trash Wahabi crap you see today, most of them followed a very soft form of Sufism hence if one reads Waziristan folklore, you can hear stories of mythic priets and taveezis to stop jinns from taking your children.

I have quite a few friends within the White Nationalist movement, and I understand their feelings, hence we get on well, they dont want Islamic Sharia nor political correctness going out of control, the same way you dont want Modernisation, progression and Western laws in your native Afghanistan.

Ive been to Russia a few years ago, Skinheads there are merely criminals, and their numbers are over exxgarated by Western Media to defame Russia. Russia hosts over 22 Million Muslims, half of its nation consists of Muslims who are fiercely Pro Russian, married to Russians, and dont follow Sharia nor this Arab Islam you guys adore, they are moderates.

In regards to greeting me well, Ive been to Islamabad, pulled over twice, forced to pay a bribe because I look "Tribal", My wife was attacked in Lahore by a Punjabi mob and told to "**** off back to Iran"

I was strip searched by Pakistani police at Bahria town check post, and my mother was called a "pathani penchud" at the time too.

All that happened in a Islamic country.

My wife, me and my mother, have ever been TREATED LIKE THIS, in the UK, NEVER!

My brother in law, was deceived by a fellow Muslim, to work in Dubai, the minute he arrived, they took him to a cabin, and forced to do labour last year, he came home with nothing and his money was taken from him by his employer.

Nothing like that happens in the West but in the Muslim world.

WHat about Asia Bi, a Christian Pakistani, a poltiican was shot dead(salam taseer) for defending her,mobs of people including the educated Muslims are calling for her death,

You ever seen a Skinhead, Far right, Nazi organisation in the West calling for the death of a Muslim gang who raped several Christian women in the UK, especially in Rochdale?

You cant use skinhead violence to mock me little girl, you are the one who came on here, boasting about how Nordic and white you look, and how modest and decent you are than the native indegenious white catholic girls.

You need some growing up to do!

In the west, its civilised, people have worked hard to develop their nations, they are progressives, and not easily misled by anyone hence they have influence in International politics, while on the other hand the Muslim worlds only successful nation in terms of GDP revenue Saudi Arabia still throws young school girls into burning buildings because their burqas were on fire and their faces and bodies were revealing, ask yourself would that happen in the West?

I believe, Afghanistan, I mean Afghanistan not this corrupted backward disease called the Muslim world, could learn alot from the West, especially in terms of development, organisation and economical progression.

Sitting on the grass with your Tassbee outside the Political agents office in Waziirstan, will not develop your people nor make you a strong nation.

"Radical Islam" needs to be reformed to be more softer Islam, a more intellectual Islam, not the Islam that segregates its followers from progression and blackmails its followers through Mullahs.

THE HOME TO SKINHEADS BNP EDL,IF IT WERE ABOUT ISLAM WHY DO THEY BEAT UP SIHKS IN PUBS AND HINDUS WHY DO THEY BEAT UP GREEKS SPANISH ?


WHITE POWER PROUD TO BE WHITE BNP general election manifesto, “native Britons”, who they claim can only be white, would be given priority in the job market. “Non-whites” would instantly become second class citizens in Britain. Any black person who commits a crime would also be thrown out of the country, even those who were born here.
Mixed race relationships would be outlawed.
Privately, the BNP leaders have continued to air their real political views. “All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here”, BNP leader Nick Griffin told Wales on Sunday in 1996. “We must preserve the white race, because it has been responsible for all the good things in civilisation”.

According to party number two, Tony Lecomber, the preservation of the white race can be done through a racial eugenic programme.
The BNP supported
ethnic cleansing

London nail bomber: David Copeland


BNP leader Nick Griffin was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998
The BNP organiser for Waltham Forest, Alan Gould, was convicted of racially abusing people in a pub in 2000
Former BNP member David Copeland was sentenced to six life sentences after planting bombs in London. He wanted to start a race war.
On other occasions, the BNP has glorified racist attacks. In 1991, the BNP newspaper gloated after several BNP supporters stabbed an African immigrant at London Bridge station. The victim had his “kidney surgically removed”, the paper boasted. In the same year, the BNP leadership whipped up a racist riot in Bermondsey, London, and led an attack on an anti-racist meeting that was protesting against the BNP headquaters in Welling. Thirteen people needed hospital treatment.
A BNP presence has almost always culminated in “race hate”. When Derek Beackon was elected as a BNP councillor in Millwall, racist attacks in the area soared by 300%


Soldat read BNP EDL want ethnic cleansing, and lol BNP stands for ABOVE ARE THE POLICYS OF BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY,ALONG WITH THEM ARE THESE GROUPS EDL ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE,NATIONAL FRONT, AND SKIN HEADS AND THE HOME PROVINCE TO ALL THESE GROUPS IS YORKSHIRE.

[kakargirl]

Pashtunwali’s relationship with Islam has been a complicated one. Afghanistan first became an
independent state ca. 1747, through a coalition of a number of Pashtun tribes under one leader,
Ahmed Shah Durrani. He did not claim legitimacy through religious means, as many Muslim
rulers of the day did.4 Rather, his legitimacy was based on his tribal genealogical heritage and the
nomination and guarantee of a Sufi leader, Sabir Shah.5 Though the Pashtuns were Sunni
Muslims of the Hanafi school of law, it was their Pashtun tribal code, Pashtunwali, which
governed them before all else. Second in order of allegiance was the Shari‘a, as interpreted
through the Hanafi lens.6 For this reason, Pashtunwali became the driving force behind the early
Afghan state,7 and though the divine texts were still the ultimate source of authority, this
authority was passed on through the tribe to their leader, the King.8
Pashtunwali is so essential to the identity of the Pashtun that there is no distinction
between practicing Pashtunwali and being Pashtun.9 Furthermore, for the
Pashtun there is no contradiction between being Pashtun and practicing Pashtunwali and being Muslim and adhering
to Islamic law.10 Religious scholars (‘ulama) often see conflicts between some Pashtun customs
and the Shari‘a, but in the minds of the Pashtun majority, Pashtunwali is not seen as an entity
separate from the Shari‘a.
Even though the Shari‘a and Pashtunwali overlap in the Pashtun consciousness, they are
seen as functioning for a different purpose. The Shari‘a represents God’s will for humanity on
earth and is practiced because it is a moral code whereas Pashtunwali is seen as a matter of
honor,11 which to a Pashtun is defined by a person’s integrity in upholding and practicing the
concepts that make up Pashtunwali.
Pashtunwali: The Tribal Code of Honor
Pashtunwali, “the way of the Pashtuns,” is integral to Pashtun identity. By adhering to
Pashtunwali a Pashtun possesses honor (izzat); without honor s/he is no longer considered a
Pashtun, and is not given the rights, protection, and support of the Pashtun community.
Pashtunwali’s honor-based society is governed by the concepts of chivalry (or bravery, courage)
(ghayrat or nang), hospitality (melmastia), gender boundaries (purdah or namus) and council
(jirga).12 The council is the main legislative authority in the men’s public realm. It is helpful to
note that each of these concepts accentuates different norms according to the socio-economic
setting within Pashtun society.
Akbar Ahmed identifies two types of socio-economic organizational settings: the qalang
(“tax”) group, or the urban and large landowning Pashtuns, and the nang (“chivalrous”) group, or
the pastoral, nomadic, hill Pashtuns. Each constitutes the meanings of the Pashtunwali concepts
relevant to their social contexts.13 The organizational distinction between the qalang and nang
groups is helpful in identifying the differences in the Pashtunwali conceptual framework and
forms of authority, including those concerning women.
1. Ghayrat and Nang (chivalry)
Chivalry is defined by two sets of normative practices: honorable actions in battle and proper
defense of honor. Norms of battle include rules about who may be attacked, e.g., not civilians, or
the proper distribution of war spoils. Honor is given to those who e.g. show fighting skills. It is
not unusual for women to engage in combat, although more often their role is to support the male
fighters by displaying their head shawl (poranai) to spur on the fight. They also spurn
dishonorable fighters and reward honorable fighters, which distinction is determined differently
depending on the community. The social organization of nang and qalang creates, for example,
different kinds of honorable fighters. Among the former, where there is more social and
economic equality, all warriors who participate equally in the fighting are ipso facto honorable.
Among the qalang groups, on the other hand, being an honorable fighter depends on one’s social
and economic class: the khans are the warlords commanding the group and are considered on a
par with the nang warriors participating in raids.14
10 As the Pashtun poet Ghani Khan writes, “Paradise in Islam is acquired though [doing] Pashtu… the countless
graces of Paradise come though [doing] Pashtu to the Pashtuns.” From Oleson, Islam and Politics, 34.
11 Olivier Roy, Afghanistan: From Holy War to Civil War (Princeton: Darwin Press, 1985), 52.
12 Cf. the works by Louis Dupree, Akbar Ahmed, and Fredrik Barth.
13 Akbar Ahmed, Millennium and Charisma among Pathans. A Critical Essay in Social Anthropology (London Routledge and Kegan Paul.


Soldat read and learn pashtunwali as you really don't know what being pashtun is,and Helmand and Kandahar are sunni deoband abu hanifa.

[kakargirl]

3. Purdah and Namus (gender boundaries)
Namus can be defined as that which is defended for honor to be upheld, instead of acted upon to
achieve honor (such as hospitality). If someone offends the rules of the gendered order, then
there is reason to act in defense of one’s namus. Namus is thus an important institution for
maintaining the gender segregated order of the society, which is often called purdah, Urdu for
“veil,” the veil or a curtain often being the boundary between men and women’s physical space.
In Pashtu expressions it is recommended that both men and women conceptually apply purdah,
and doing so is a sign of dignity for both men and women.
Despite its applying to both genders, however, anthropologists have found that Pashtuns
commonly identify namus as “defense of the honor of women,”20 and men often think of purdah
as a way of controlling women, even though it also controls men. In other words, men are as
bound by the rules of namus, and are thus as restricted from stepping into space reserved for
women as women are from entry into men’s space. For example, if a man who is unrelated to


any of the women present walks into a woman’s compound, especially among the qalang
landowning class, he will be beaten, accused of dishonor, and even perhaps expelled from the
community.
The boundaries of purdah vary among the Pashtun, differing also between the nang and
qalang groups. There is a full spectrum of variance on where the boundaries lie between men’s
and women’s space. On one end are the Kuchi nomads, where women do not veil in public and
are often left to care for the household while the men are out shepherding the flocks for days and
weeks. When a male guest comes, he often sits separately with the men, especially separate from
the young unmarried women of the family. In the middle of the spectrum are the nang groups
who are semi-pastoral and semi-agriculturist, changing with the seasons. Women partially cover
their faces when they leave the house or out of respect for elders. They visit within the
neighborhood, but men and women have separate visiting quarters. Still, a male family friend
might visit with the married women and female heads of the household. On the extreme opposite
end are the qalang groups, where only elderly women and female children are allowed to leave
the household compound without being completely veiled, especially among the large
landowning classes of Khans. Physical space is highly segregated compared to the other groups
and only the elderly, men and women, as well as male and female children are allowed to move
freely between the highly segregated spaces. A daughter-in-law must cover her face for her
father-in-law and brother-in-law and these men must be careful to give ample warning when
about to walk through the women’s space of their own compound. Extreme purdah can lead to
many restrictions for women.

[kakargirl]

Soldat your never going to let it go are you wasn't that a thread where you all came on and described what you look like,one member went on and on, but i guess my post stands out lol the nordic look well,even my barakzai abdali wror had to debate you on that its old news stop digging up graves, and whats catholic girls got to do with anything,i get on with them fine,just don't like the alcohol smell on them, even the catholic teachers don't like it when catholic girls would walk in smelling of booze.


I didn't understand the word they said to your mother i only understood the pathani word but its very wrong what ever these people did.