Questions about Rabbani Assassination

[Khaak]

The murder of Rabbani raises some interesting questions. Perhaps some of the people on this forum can provide answers:

1. How did Rabbani come to be the chief "negotiator" for the so-called peace council?

Did he volunteer for this job, or was this assigned to him by Karzai?

2. Who was he negotiating with?

To what extent did government security investigate who the Taliban were sending to talk to Rabbani?
What did they know about this person?
What role and rank did he have in the Taliban organization?
Who authorized the meeting to take place?
Who verified that this person was indeed a "taliban negotiator"?

3. What security measures were taken to protect Rabbani?

Did this person go through metal detectors?
Was he searched for explosive devices, weapons, etc.?

4. Who benefits from Rabbani's death?

Karzai is now focused on Pakistan as the party for negotiations. Did the efforts to deal directly with the Taliban undermine Karzai's strategy of negotiating a deal with Pakistan for his own purposes?

Did the Pakistanis murder Rabbani in an effort to make sure that negotiations take place directly with Pakistan?

What was the relationship between Rabbani and his former United Front allies?

Was the fact that he was trying to bring the Taliban onto the negotiating table counter to the strategies of Abudullah, Saleh, and other former UF leaders?

Rabbini's death now automatically gives a place to the Pakistanis for a major role in the future of Afghanistan. And after ten years of failed war the US is now ready to hand off control to the Paksitanis and essentially make Afghanistan another Pakistani province.

Your thoughts.....

[khushal]

Rabani had a bad history. He was one of the main leaders that were directly involved in the destruction of the country. He could not lead any negotiations with the Taliban, it would have been impossible. You needed someone with his hands clean, not this fool. His support base was extremely anti Taliban who have vowed no negotiations with the Taliban. The whole peace committee was a sham.

I doubt the US is going to leave afghanistan anytime soon and I doubt Pakistan wants Afghansitan as a province, they have a hard time controlling its FATA. The best Pakistan can hope for is an anti India Afghanistan that depends on Pakistan.

[graveyardofempires]

who cares,if we are to talk abotu rabani why not talk abotu all the innocent afghans he killed and helped kill.
so far a million Afghans dead in 10 years.

[sanman]

You say that it was all Rabbani's fault - look at the fact that Pakistan basically created Taliban from scratch, and then sent them to conquer all of Afghanistan by brute force.
One of the first things Taliban did when they reached Kabul, was to murder many Hazaras belonging to Hezb-i-Wahdat. They killed a whole bunch of them while pretending to evacuate them, and put them in a mass grave.

Look at how Pakistan created Hezb-i-Islami before the Taliban, and basically made them totally Pashtun as well.

I don't understand why all of you want to fuel animosity against Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etc - which is basically what Pakistan wants. Why do you see this as a good thing?

[randolph85]

Rabani had a bad history. He was one of the main leaders that were directly involved in the destruction of the country. He could not lead any negotiations with the Taliban, it would have been impossible. You needed someone with his hands clean, not this fool. His support base was extremely anti Taliban who have vowed no negotiations with the Taliban. The whole peace committee was a sham.

I doubt the US is going to leave afghanistan anytime soon and I doubt Pakistan wants Afghansitan as a province, they have a hard time controlling its FATA. The best Pakistan can hope for is an anti India Afghanistan that depends on Pakistan.

rabbani had blood on his hands, but who doesnt in afghanistan? at first i thought it was crazy that head was head of the peace council but then i realized that he was basically a bridge between the anti talib northerners and the talibs. he broke away from the anti negotiation northern camp and was in karzais camp, his death only serves the aspirations of these nationalist northerners. i will try to find an article i read about him, but basically it said that he was one of the few afghans who could travel between tehran, islamabad, and riyadh to engage in politics.

[sanman]

Well, he was supposed to have been a religious scholar himself, so that's why he had some standing with the Saudis. I don't think he had any standing with Islamabad, which only coldly humored him, since he was at war with Pakistan/Taliban during the 90s.

Remember, Pakistan desperately wants to avoid a situation where the north goes its own way, because that would leave the south to reunify with NWFP. Both would come together, and probably even Taliban and Haqqanis wouldn't be quite so obedient to Islamabad or Rawalpindi anymore. Just like how Hekmatyar wasn't obedient enough for Pakistan's liking in the end.

[randolph85]

well in the end of hekmatyars civil war antics, he became too weak for islamabads liking, it wasn't so much a question of obedience as it was his failure.

even during the civil war, rabbani was making the rounds to islamabad. despite being at odds, rabbani and pakistan still had a deep relationship that went back since the 70s.

[sanman]

well in the end of hekmatyars civil war antics, he became too weak for islamabads liking, it wasn't so much a question of obedience as it was his failure.

No, Hekmatyar was as strong as ever until Pakistan pulled the rug out from under him and replaced him with Taliban. He didn't weaken until Pakistan ditched him, because all his strength was due to Pakistan in the first place.

even during the civil war, rabbani was making the rounds to islamabad. despite being at odds, rabbani and pakistan still had a deep relationship that went back since the 70s.

Yes, he and Masood were first set up by ISI, which traditionally backed the Setami groups to weaken Kabul. But there was no relationship after Pakistan ditched him. Pakistan has adopted a winner-take-all strategy, and they have no room to cut any side-deals. They intend to turn Afghanistan into a completely submissive satellite state. Think of South Africa and Namibia.

What they don't understand is that Afghanistan is too big to swallow, and will get caught like a bone in their throat. Seeing Pakistan and their Taliban thrash around desperately as they choke to death isn't going to be pretty. It's actually going to be quite bloody.

[randolph85]

No, Hekmatyar was as strong as ever until Pakistan pulled the rug out from under him and replaced him with Taliban. He didn't weaken until Pakistan ditched him, because all his strength was due to Pakistan in the first place.

had hekmatyar of been as strong as ever, this would never of happened in 1996 when both sides were threatened by the taliban

Yes, he and Masood were first set up by ISI, which traditionally backed the Setami groups to weaken Kabul. But there was no relationship after Pakistan ditched him. Pakistan has adopted a winner-take-all strategy, and they have no room to cut any side-deals. They intend to turn Afghanistan into a completely submissive satellite state. Think of South Africa and Namibia.

What they don't understand is that Afghanistan is too big to swallow, and will get caught like a bone in their throat. Seeing Pakistan and their Taliban thrash around desperately as they choke to death isn't going to be pretty. It's actually going to be quite bloody.

jamiat always had a relationship with pakistan, while it was never as strong as pashtun groups, the relationship was always there.

[sanman]

had hekmatyar of been as strong as ever, this would never of happened in 1996 when both sides were threatened by the taliban

Uh, you're forgetting that ISI pulled the rug out from under Hekmatyar before 1996. That's the ousted Hekmatyar you're posting a pic on. Taliban showed up in Charasyab, and he had to flee in his limo at the last moment, with his entourage in disarray.

jamiat always had a relationship with pakistan, while it was never as strong as pashtun groups, the relationship was always there.

Jamiat started with Pakistani support, much prior to the great US Gravy Train called the Afghan War during the 80s. Obviously at that point, Pakistan went in for arming and favoring Pashtun groups, because they intended to completely brainwash them all with fanaticism, to irreversibly bind them once and for all to Pakistan. At that point, Jamiat and other non-wahabbist groups were ditched and made persona-non-grata.

[abassinafghan]

i think also that rabbani was killed by his own , there were some personal problems between him and massouds familiy , they are also related , his daughter was given to one of massouds cousins , but they seperated and divorced.

but the main point is as i said ,that some people didnt want to have peace , and i changed my point of view , after i saw saleh screaming death to pashtuns in kabul together with abdullah abdullah , however ata in balkh stayed calm and just said in an interview that there are different opionions about the fututre development and the question wether afg should be broken apart or not .

some of the tajik facists try hard to break up , however there are also the smart ones who know that they will loose much more than they could win with a seperation of the country .