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    In battle they take out Taliban fighters with joystick-controlled weapons, while back at base American soldiers hook up their Xboxes and kill their way through video games.
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    In Afghanistan, on and off-duty activities have become strikingly similar for US troops, as 21-year-old Specialist Tyler Sandusky can attest.
    Out on missions in the rugged northeastern province of Kunar, Sandusky locates distant targets -- day or night -- with remarkable clarity on a video screen within a giant armoured truck.
    "It's pretty fun watching people. They're so far away and they don't know you're watching," he told AFP as he demonstrated a system known as the CROWS (Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station).
    "It does feel like a game when you're driving along."
    Perched atop the vehicle is a .50 calibre machine gun with a firing range of more than 6.7 kilometres (four miles), which Sandusky operates through his screen and a joystick trigger to the right of his seat.
    "You see a red mist and then you know they're down," he said.
    Back at Combat Outpost Monti, troops drew parallels between the CROWS system and one of their favourite pastimes.
    "A lot of guys compare it to Call of Duty," said Sergeant John Henington, referring to the graphic video game franchise set in various battle zones. "We play that game most of the day when we're not doing anything."
    Aside from weaponry, technology has changed the lives of American soldiers immeasurably since the Vietnam War.
    No matter how remote their deployments, troops can watch TV on laptops, shop online and message their loved ones back home through Facebook and Skype.
    The changes may make life more comfortable in a war zone, but the evolution of weapons has brought with it ethical concerns.
    "It's the dehumanisation of the enemy," said Specialist Sean McCabe, 22. "We are the video game generation, so it's easy with the CROWS system to put it in a video game."
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    The similarity is no coincidence, according to Deane-Peter Baker, a philosophy professor at the US Naval Academy.
    "Manufacturers of systems like this have deliberately sought to make their operation user-friendly" by designing Xbox and PlayStation-like controls familiar to young soldiers, he said.
    CROWS, in place in a number of US army trucks, significantly boosts troops' safety by removing the need for a gunner poking out of the vehicle.
    "Imagine what it must be like to have half of your body sticking out of the top of a Humvee while bullets are flying in every direction," said Baker.
    "Even the coolest head would have difficulty in being as precise and discriminating with his or her fire under those conditions."
    The debate over technological advances is fiercest on the subject of drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), whose use the Obama administration has escalated dramatically against Taliban and Al-Qaeda safe havens in Pakistan.
    While studies vary, public policy institute the New America Foundation says drones have killed between 1,667 and 2,614 people in Pakistan since 2004, 20 percent of whom were civilians.
    At least partly because of Pakistan's official opposition to the attacks, the programme remains covert, and the identities of those targeted and killed are rarely revealed by American officials.
    Drones can also enhance intelligence-gathering by hovering over a target for up to 24 hours, said Peter Singer, author of a book on robotic weapons, "Wired for War".
    Then troops use hundreds of smaller drones for tactical purposes, such as the spying battery-powered Raven, which they can throw in the air like a model airplane to see over a hill.
    In February, manufacturer AeroVironment unveiled the Nano Hummingbird, a tiny remote-controlled and camera-equipped prototype that demonstrated 11 miles-per-hour flight and was able to accurately hover, rotate, perch and fly.
    The use of drones "is something that just a few years ago was seen as science fiction and is now the new 'normal' of war and counter-terrorism," said Singer, adding that 45 countries now operated them.
    Drones mean there is no risk of a pilot being shot down or taken prisoner. But the United Nations has expressed concern that drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan could be breaking international laws against summary executions.
    Singer says drones lower the bar in the decision to use force, but US forces insist they are operated under high-level command and are the best tool for the job.
    "The other option is putting soldiers out in those areas, which I guarantee will piss people off much, much more, and probably result in much unnecessary bloodshed," said a US security officer in Kunar.

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    Will it be available for public? I wish they bring out a game whereby we get to shoot at Pakistani soldiers in Khaki uniforms and Taliban.

    Maybe it will vent some of the fustration we Sane minded progressive suffer from when dealing with such people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
      Will it be available for public? I wish they bring out a game whereby we get to shoot at Pakistani soldiers in Khaki uniforms and Taliban.

      Maybe it will vent some of the fustration we Sane minded progressive suffer from when dealing with such people.

      You wouldn't last 20 seconds on battlefield.

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      • #4
        Dear friends, to me all this is sad!
        Nobody doesn'T know nymore to fight with honour!
        Even for fighting You need honour.

        A real mean puts of his joystck, puts of his helicopter, puts of his siucide belt, puts of his kalashnikov, puts of his stinger.

        Both sides choose the one who is strong in body and spirit and send him on the battlefield, and they fight with their hands, legs and spirit! No turcojewish tricks, no lies, no strategies how to trick somebody , but pure spirit and responsability for his tribe!
        This is the only civilized , truthfull and fair way to fight!

        Al the others , are coward, liar, not-truthfull, not patriotic, infedel, and false.
        And as long as mankind will pretend to achieve their high and noble wishes of fath, truth and humanity through dirty ways - they will go only more and more far from truth and humanity.
        Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
        Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

        Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
        Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

        Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
        Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
          No turcojewish tricks
          Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
          turcojewish
          HAHAHA. I understand your hatred for Turks but you hate jews too ?
          Even jews don't hate germans. Why do you still hate turks ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post
            HAHAHA. I understand your hatred for Turks but you hate jews too ?
            Even jews don't hate germans. Why do you still hate turks ?
            Dear Al Hanif, I do not hate nobody. No Turks no Jews, but the methods they used are demonic and unhuman - they are not of human nature.
            I didn't understand exactly what you meant with the Jew, German, Turk paralell?
            Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
            Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

            Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
            Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

            Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
            Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
              Dear Al Hanif, I do not hate nobody. No Turks no Jews, but the methods they used are demonic and unhuman - they are not of human nature.
              I didn't understand exactly what you meant with the Jew, German, Turk paralell?

              The Jews's genocide by Germans.

              The Armenians's genocide by Turks.

              Currents Israelis don't hate current Germans. They say it was the past. (But maybe it's because it's a Holohoax.) I thought you still hate Turks for this.

              Also Israel doesn't recognize Amrenian genocide. What do you think about it ? Doesn't it shows their hypocrisy ?

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              • #8
                the armenian genocide was perpetrated by people from youg turk movement and we should not put blame on muslims cuz they people were anything but muslims.

                Armenians lived in harmony with muslims until these untranationals sculerists arrived.

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                • #9
                  Dear Al Hanif !
                  Our situation with the Jews is quiet different. The Jews were part of victims of the second worldwar, but not only they were killed. Interestingly the zionists had close ties to Hitler in some periods. They even told tht their sacrify was worth to creat finally Israel.
                  In the first worldwar there were similar plans on creating Israel.
                  Actually the youngturk party in Turkey were mostly jews from Saloniki, followers of Shabatay Zvi(or what his stupid name was).
                  They were the major responsable for the plan of genocide.
                  So we were killed in our own homecountry, even if it was part of the Ottoman empire, but we weren't settlers there. But it is a big theme - it can be discussed in an other topic, actually I would like to Avoid it as for that there do axist Armenian forums, here it is out of any hospitality to discuss oour national problems, so I'd like to limit only on this single posting.
                  I am distancing myself from the Armenians who wait a lot for the recognition by the west of our genocide.
                  It is like waiting that one killer gives You justice and defends you from an other killer.
                  That thhat genocide could happen is mainly the fault of my nation not of or enemies, we had to be much stronger, our nation is hard when it fighs, but we began to fight to late believing in the lies of the turks. And the same happens now with the lies f the west. I do not wait for anything from any genocide discussions. Israel has its good place in the community of genocidernations, actually ties between Turkey and Israel are very close, and of Azerbaijan and Israel even closer and they all are with the US.
                  THat is all masson politics however and not worthy to discuss. I don'T hate no Turk no Jew and can calmly and friendly talk to him if he has good and trouthfull qualities. But i will fight everybody who will bring dead to my people and motherland. And if it is an Armenian that with his liar, materialist and demonic behaviour has similar behaviour like those who destroyed my nation, than he is my enemy ven more as he destroys my country from inside, what is much more dangerous.

                  But I refer to my prior words, aslong as humankind will not come back to a brave way of resolving conflicts, nor the pashtuns, nor the Armenians, nor The Berbers, Jews, Arabs, Americans , Turks, Chinese... will be well bacuse the sick mind of unfaithfull people will generate new and new sick and demonic methods to achive humile aims.


                  PS: I quoted turcojewish - because from my national knowledge that were those who used in big numbers such liar ways of fighting, there are surely many other governments ond organizations who do the same.
                  PPS: Dear Al Hanif, if You have interest on the historical topic we can discuss it in PM or on an Armenian forum, here I would like to avoid it, as it is not directly linked to Pashtun history, culture or politics.
                  Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                  Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                  Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                  Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                  Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                  Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                    Dear Al Hanif !
                    Our situation with the Jews is quiet different. The Jews were part of victims of the second worldwar, but not only they were killed. Interestingly the zionists had close ties to Hitler in some periods. They even told tht their sacrify was worth to creat finally Israel.
                    In the first worldwar there were similar plans on creating Israel.
                    Indeed. I went to the same conclusion thanks to 5 years of intensive Internet browsing. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

                    Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                    Actually the youngturk party in Turkey were mostly jews from Saloniki, followers of Shabatay Zvi(or what his stupid name was).
                    They were the major responsable for the plan of genocide.
                    So we were killed in our own homecountry, even if it was part of the Ottoman empire, but we weren't settlers there. But it is a big theme - it can be discussed in an other topic, actually I would like to Avoid it as for that there do axist Armenian forums, here it is out of any hospitality to discuss oour national problems, so I'd like to limit only on this single posting.
                    This is my last post in this thread.


                    Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                    I am distancing myself from the Armenians who wait a lot for the recognition by the west of our genocide.

                    It is like waiting that one killer gives You justice and defends you from an other killer.
                    That thhat genocide could happen is mainly the fault of my nation not of or enemies, we had to be much stronger, our nation is hard when it fighs, but we began to fight to late believing in the lies of the turks. And the same happens now with the lies f the west. I do not wait for anything from any genocide discussions. Israel has its good place in the community of genocidernations, actually ties between Turkey and Israel are very close, and of Azerbaijan and Israel even closer and they all are with the US.
                    Indeed. Azerbaidjan is one of the most secular countries in Asia. People are shias and almost nobody is practising its faith.
                    Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                    THat is all masson politics however and not worthy to discuss. I don'T hate no Turk no Jew and can calmly and friendly talk to him if he has good and trouthfull qualities. But i will fight everybody who will bring dead to my people and motherland. And if it is an Armenian that with his liar, materialist and demonic behaviour has similar behaviour like those who destroyed my nation, than he is my enemy ven more as he destroys my country from inside, what is much more dangerous.
                    Same here. This is really an Islamic behaviour.

                    Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                    But I refer to my prior words, aslong as humankind will not come back to a brave way of resolving conflicts, nor the pashtuns, nor the Armenians, nor The Berbers, Jews, Arabs, Americans , Turks, Chinese... will be well bacuse the sick mind of unfaithfull people will generate new and new sick and demonic methods to achive humile aims.

                    Dear Al Hanif, if You have interest on the historical topic we can discuss it in PM or on an Armenian forum, here I would like to avoid it, as it is not directly linked to Pashtun history, culture or politics.
                    Thanks a lot for your informations. OK. I'll ask you in private.
                    Last edited by Al Hanif; 10-10-2011, 09:14 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                      Will it be available for public? I wish they bring out a game whereby we get to shoot at Pakistani soldiers in Khaki uniforms and Taliban.

                      Maybe it will vent some of the fustration we Sane minded progressive suffer from when dealing with such people.

                      So you would like to kill your own people, in a child and coward like way?


                      Everyone else, stay on topic.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post
                        You wouldn't last 20 seconds on battlefield.
                        Google...Zapad GRU....I know how to deal with people like you, sadly your protected by French authorities otherwise, I find it of no immense difficulty knocking the towel off your head.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingKhan View Post
                          So you would like to kill your own people, in a child and coward like way?


                          Everyone else, stay on topic.
                          People who use my people to kill eachother is not what I would regard as my own people.

                          My view of "My own people" differs from yours, a person who uses children for instance to settle scores with political ministers in regional departments in Afghanistan, is not what I would call my own, but for you its a stratgic victory/asset.

                          Pakistan army is not my own, anyone who joins Napak fauge, and kills innocent Pashtuns is not my "Own", a Pashtun who joins the Taliban to hide explosives in a pagray and detonates it in crowded areas, is not my "Own".

                          Let me clarify that with you sunshine.

                          I wish they bring in a COD call of duty version, whereby we get the chance to shoot/destroy skinny khaki uniform wearing Pakistani soldiers, would be well good! I would even pre-order it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                            Google...Zapad GRU....I know how to deal with people like you, sadly your protected by French authorities otherwise, I find it of no immense difficulty knocking the towel off your head.



                            Russian army ? The same army which was defeated by Chechens during the first Chechen War ? When the mujahideens managed to declare the independance of Chechenya and forced the giant Russia to sign a peace treaty ?







                            Some Russians alcoholics sent to where you will remain for eternity.



                            Helicopter shot down by Chechen soldier - YouTube

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post

                              Russian army ? The same army which was defeated by Chechens during the first Chechen War ? When the mujahideens managed to declare the independance of Chechenya and forced the giant Russia to sign a peace treaty ?





                              Some Russians alcoholics sent to where you will remain for eternity.




                              Helicopter shot down by Chechen soldier - YouTube
                              Where is Khattab? dead like a rat, poisoned by a letter by his own men.

                              You ever been to Chechnya? Its developing very fast, and most Chechens are Pro Russian unlike the rot living in Jordan, Poland, and Arab states?

                              You see, your Arabs/Berbers go to places and retard the society.

                              How come, nearly 90 percent of the chechens in the first Chechen-Russo war turned onto the side of the Russians, because they knew people like you and your masters Nato/West were using Jihadis to break Russia up.

                              I bet you get excited seeing all the innocent children your Jihaids killed in Beslan.

                              I dont care anymore, people like you no longer exist in Chechnya, Dagestan will be next, and hopefully all Jihadi vermin will be exterminated back to Arabia where they belong.

                              Stay in France or you will end up like your friend Khattab

                              Chechnya,Ossetia,Dagestan will always be part of Russia, and no Western backed Jihadi proxies will ever stop that.

                              Long Live Kadyrovskys!

                              Slava Rossi.


                              Btw.....there was no such thing as suicide bombing, children murdering, hanging of people in public in Chechnya until Arabs came over. You ever noticed that, look at the way Akhmad Kadyrov was killed, a suicide bomber in civilian packed sporting event.

                              You guys should be ashamed.


                              Most Chechens are Sufis, they dont need Wahabi vermin destroying their fabric of society.

                              Keep this pic on your mobile DP

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