Pakistan has already been invaded, why worry now?

[Admin Khan]

Now that we think about it, isn't Pakistan already being bombed by the USA? Why, all of a sudden are we so concerned with Pakistan being bombed? Waziristan is attacked with drone attacks on a daily basis, and that clearly shows the regards for her sovereignty. SEALS invaded, did their job, and left undetected, is that not an invasion? If not, What is an invasion? When Punjab is attacked? Pashtun areas have been suffering massive losses since the war has begin, both in lar and bar, and now that the USA threatens Pakistan it's an invasion? Pathetic if you ask me. Why hide the fact that the USA already has bases in Pakistan, for it's strategic interests.

Long story short, Pakistan is not a sovereign nation.

[Talal]

What bases are you talking about Admin Khan ? Shamsi was the only one being used for Drones but it closed long time ago

and as far as presence in numbers is concerned, this is the most up to date information i found

"According to U.S. officials, the compromise pact slashes the number of U.S. forces allowed in Pakistan to between 100 and 150, nearly half of what it has been in the past. The number of special operations trainers would fall from 140 to fewer than 10."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/ap-exclusive-us-pakistan-reach-deal-to-limit-american-troops-there-amid-ongoing-discord/2011/09/20/gIQADldriK_story.html

I think this entire hype of a US/PAK confrontation has been blown out of proportion..The relations may break off completely but if US wanted an armed confrontation it would have done a lot sooner

"Despite the troubled U.S.- Pakistani relationship, the Pentagon said Tuesday that it will continue to work with its Pakistani counterpart to resolve the differences.

"We want to maintain a relationship with Pakistan that's grounded in common interests, to include going after terrorists that threaten both countries," Pentagon Press Secretary George Little told reporters.

"There are differences from time to time in the relationship with Pakistan, as there are in any partnership," he said. "Those differences have been made public, and we continue to discuss ( them) in private."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-09/28/c_131163608.htm

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

What bases are you talking about Admin Khan ? Shamsi was the only one being used for Drones but it closed long time ago

The presence of American personnel and their Predator drones at the Shamsi Airbase was kept hidden from the Pakistani public until someone using Google Earth exposed the Pakistani military's lies and deceit.

That's why it's safe to assume that there are even more bases that are under the control of American mercenaries and military personnel - we just don't know about them.

For example, the revelation that the Jacobabad Airbase was under the control of Uncle Sam's boys came about quite by accident:

Airbase near Jacobabad under US control, Senate panel told | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD, Aug 18: Health relief operations in Jacobabad are not possible because the airbase in the area is controlled by the US.

The stunning statement was made by Health Secretary Khushnood Lashari during an appearance at the Senate Standing Committee on Health on Wednesday.

I think this entire hype of a US/PAK confrontation has been blown out of proportion..The relations may break off completely but if US wanted an armed confrontation it would have done a lot sooner


Pentagon to work with Pakistani military on differences

I actually agree. The US already has Iraq and Iran on its platter and the last thing it wants is to tip over the cliff a dysfunctional state full of suicidal religious fanatics. Who knows what one rogue general might do on his sinking ship. The possibility of Pakistan launching nukes on India and Afghanistan in a "last stand" scenario is terrifyingly high.

In any case, I wanted to know something, Talal. This concerns what I think is the sheer hypocrisy that we see in Pakistani people. Why do they oppose these drone attacks? They give two reasons for that: 1) the drones kill civilians and 2) they infringe on Pakistani sovereignty.

As for point number one, what about the Pakistani army operations in FATA that continue to kill countless numbers of civilians? Why are they not opposed?

With regards to point two, when the Pakistani establishment has given the US bases, logistical support and their free consent to carry out these drone attacks in FATA, then they do not infringe upon Pakistan's sovereignty, do they?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Both Admin Khan and Levanaye are completely correct in what they are saying.

Pakistan self-delusion and Zaid Hamidism is such that they always make themselves out bigger to be than they actually are, instead of realizing they are a poodle of the US which kills Muslims for dollars, they think they are "medina sani" (2nd Medina, the 1st being the city of the holy prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam), a "fort of Islam", "leader of the Muslim world".

They are pumped up with so much false nationalism and arrogance from a young age with myths of their greatness. In fact they are a failed state where 1 province is basically out of their control (44% of its soil..Balochistan.), their biggest city and commercial heart is in a civil war with people literally chopping each other's bodies up and putting them in bags, another with a major militant campaign (KPK), only Punjab itself is relatively violence-free.

It is only when Punjab is afflicted will it be seen as Pakistan is being "invaded".

Other than that they are just a giant garrison for the Anglo-Saxon Farangay, another Israel in South Asia. Even India doesn't co-operate with them like this, with US bases, drones etc.

What a pathetic state and what a bunch of traitors.

[Soldat_Amir]

Lets be fair guys. Pakistan army operations in Waziristan is only against Anti State elements, otherwise they dont fire a bullet against the Mullah Nazir/Gul badahur factions whom are targetted by the Americans more often.

Wouldnt it be more reasonable for our people to boot out/arrest those who are a source for such attacks, like say the Taliban, Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, the Chechens etc.

[gadoonwal]

Thanks,admin khana for this thread,

This is what i am saying from the start,what els invasion mean when govt need permission for changing a local administrator from the US.
This is what happen in karachi and hyderabad where MQM asked US for help and paki govt agree to their demand.
Their major city karachi is in violence where pashtuns got killed on daily bases by MQM and paki govt can,nt go for an operation without US approval.In fact paki army is helping them to kill pashtuns.
They can not even feed their army without US aid so how will that army fight its master.
Waziristan,bajawor,orakzai,kurma,fr banu,tank etc are already under attack from US for the last few years so where is that army of islamic republic of pakistan?.


Even in Swat the US helicopter bombed the local swatis and pakistan was in fact helping them to kill as many pashtun they can.
The US helicopters are flying with US flag displayed over islam abad,pindi and the entire pashtunkhwa.
Someone pls go and see the US bases near Tarbela dam where even US army officers wearing ,,khat/partog,,and riding on bike.
The ,,chaklala,,air base is fully monitor by US army.
They are building 10 stories building in karachi company islam abad for CIA.
The punjabis are even hiding their nuclear weapons in the mountains.
Pakistan is more occupied then afghanistan .
Punjabis will never ever fight write this in red.Their army will never ever fire a single shot against US.Punjab will never be battelfield for sure.
They know the game.
US is in this region for its stratigic interests and punjabis are their to serve them.Pashtuns of lar aw bar are dying and more will be killed.
lara o bara/lower and upper pashtunkhwa is and will be its battlefield.
This is what happen to a nation without vioce,unity and awareness.

khan sahib will offer his head to defend pakistan in the name of islam but will never think of his pashtuns suffering with hands of paki army.
In reality pakistan already made pashtukhwa its dumping yard and this what they want ot do with afganistan.
Back in the old days ahamd shah,sher shah and lodhi ruled on hindostan and khushal khan kicked them out of pashtunland but now the same hindostani are ruling us.
All people of indic race are hindostani regardless of their boundries (created by angreez).
Bad days ahead for pashtuns.

pukhtaana pa thora kha dey thar mugalo
ka poha pukhtana way tsa wokhyaar.
khushal baba

[Soldat_Amir]

Gadoonwal zma vrora, dasay khabara na doo, America gwaree chee da Haqqani Napak Asset barbud shee, da gha pa meeez benefit para da, wilay chee, haqqani gwaree chee Pakhtunistan pa Jamiet aow pa Napak mullaygun pa lasa shee aoe meeez makhta future pa aman sara na wee.

Pakistan aow America dwa sara speebachun dee HOWEVER America meez neighbourun na dee, Pakistan is a worser threat to our people than America, wa wakth kho wee che America biya dreemiiii, kho Napak fauge aow Punjabistan biya ha wooray ta weee.

Deera Manana

[randolph85]

Lets be fair guys. Pakistan army operations in Waziristan is only against Anti State elements, otherwise they dont fire a bullet against the Mullah Nazir/Gul badahur factions whom are targetted by the Americans more often.

Wouldnt it be more reasonable for our people to boot out/arrest those who are a source for such attacks, like say the Taliban, Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, the Chechens etc.

say what u will about the criminals who thrive on the situation of occupation, most fighters are not insiders who are linked with intel agencies and whatnot. u are looking at the results of the disease instead of the disease which is occupation. the chechens are a non issue, the imu are almost non existent, the taliban are afghans.