High emotion at Rabbani funeral in Kabul

[randolph85]

lol @ abdullah 2x fun size pakol

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[unknownprince]

wow, American dollars made AA fat and obese. Haraam money has haraam effects

[sahil112]

loll ahah

[Khidr]

September 23, 2011 9:39 AM

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Afghans carry the coffin of Burhanuddin Rabbani, former Afghan president and head of the government's peace council, during his burial ceremony on Wazir Akbar Khan hill in Kabul, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 23, 2011. (AP Photo/Ahmad Masood)
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(AP) KABUL, Afghanistan — A surging crowd of mourners on Friday touched and kissed the coffin of former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani, slain by a suicide bomber claiming to carry a Taliban peace message, and vented at their own government and its efforts to reconcile with the insurgency.
In angry chants at a hilltop cemetery, grieving followers of Rabbani's political faction vilified President Hamid Karzai, blamed Taliban insurgents for Afghanistan's woes and denounced Pakistan for allegedly stirring up the conflict. Shouts against the United States, which backs the government, reflected frustration that a decade of Western support has failed to unite their divided land.


"Death to Karzai... Death to the foreign puppets," chanted the throng, some young men, others veterans of the guerrilla war against Soviet occupying forces in the 1980s. "Pakistan is our enemy ... Long live the resistance ... The Muslim people are united."


At one point, presidential security guards tried to stop a Rabbani ally, former intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh, from joining the swelling crowd in an area around the walled-off grave. He forced his way in anyway, and guards briefly opened fire in the air to block thousands of other mourners, some of whom threw stones at security forces.
"A terrorist was allowed to enter and kill our leader; we are not allowed to attend his burial," a furious Saleh declared.


The chaotic outpouring of frustration, and statements that the time for peacemaking has passed, pointed to Afghanistan's ethnic divisions and the fragility of its government. It also contrasted with an earlier, stately ceremony at the presidential palace, where Karzai hailed Rabbani as a tireless advocate for reconciliation.


"It is our responsibility to act against those who are enemies of peace," said Karzai, urging Afghans to shun despair over the death of Rabbani in an attack at his home on Tuesday, and instead escalate efforts to end the fighting. The U.S.-led coalition plans to withdraw combat troops by the end of 2014, shifting responsibility for security to Afghan forces that are still being coached by foreign mentors.


The 70-year-old Rabbani was the leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance, which helped overthrow Taliban rule during the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. His death threatens to deepen rifts between the country's ethnic minorities, especially between those who made up the Northern Alliance — including Tajiks like Rabbani — and the majority Pashtun, who make up the backbone of the Taliban.


Karzai, who is Pashtun, had appointed Rabbani to Afghanistan's High Peace Council, which was seeking to reconcile the nation's warring factions. It has made little headway since it was formed a year ago, but its efforts are backed by many in the international community.


One by one, lawmakers and foreign envoys at the palace paid tribute before Rabbani's casket, draped in a red, black and green national flag. A military band played the national anthem. Then a procession of vehicles, some bearing large portraits of Rabbani, showing him dignified in robes and with a long white beard, drove up a hill overlooking Kabul, the capital.
There, the observances turned unruly.


Supporters of the former president's political faction, chanting and distraught, reached out to the coffin and the funeral at one point resembled an opposition rally. Abdullah Abdullah, a Tajik leader who lost to Karzai in the 2009 presidential election, said the president has to explain who killed Rabbani. He grew enraged when his microphone was switched off, saying it was an effort to silence him.

"Death to those wanting to make a deal," mourners shouted. "We don't want Karzai."


The suicide attacker who killed Rabbani had a bomb in his turban, and gained entry to the former president's home by convincing officials, including Karzai's advisers, that he represented the Taliban leadership, based in the Pakistani city of Quetta, and wanted to discuss reconciliation.
Noone has claimed responsibility for the killing, and Taliban spokesmen have declined to discuss it.


Namatullah Ahmady, a university student who attended the burial, said Rabbani's death dashes all hope for making peace with the Taliban.
"It's finished," he said, adding that if the insurgents now say they want to reconcile, the government should say: "We're not interested."
Waqif Hakimi, a spokesman for Rabbani's political faction, Jamiat-e Islami, said only a small number of people became overly emotional.
"They were chanting against the Taliban and terrorism and other things, but it did not escalate," he said. "Some people were shouting their different slogans, but it was not the message of the party."


Some mourners wanted to open the coffin so they could see Rabbani's face, but his family did not allow it.


In Washington on Thursday, U.S. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, accused Pakistan's powerful intelligence agency of backing extremists in planning and executing an assault on the U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan last week and a truck bomb attack that wounded 77 American soldiers days earlier.


Pakistan rejected the American claims that it is supporting extremist attacks on American troops. Some analysts believe Pakistan seeks to bolster its influence in Afghanistan as a way to counter the regional influence of India, its longtime rival.


U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker was among those attending Rabbani's funeral ceremony at the presidential palace. Iran's state media said Ali Akbar Velayati, a former Iranian foreign minister and confidant of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, led the Iranian delegation.


"Today we are witnessing one of the biggest and saddest events of this important political time in the history of the world," said Salahuddin Rabbani, the former president's son. He urged the Afghan government to aggressively investigate the killing.


Also, NATO forces said two service members died following a bomb attack in eastern Afghanistan on Friday, and Italian military officials in Rome said three Italian troops were killed in a road accident. Italy's Sky TG24 television said the vehicle they were riding in overturned in front of the Italian base in the western city of Herat on Friday.


The deaths bring to 439 the number of international troops killed so far this year in Afghanistan.

[Khidr]

Patiance is a virtue, but it is also finite. From today onwards, I personally would rather call myself many swear words then an Afghan anymore.

There is absolutely no common ground to be found or room for compromise anymore, whether Islamicily, or from a position of humanity with a people, the significant majority of whom are firstly at war with themselves, who take pleasure in barbarity, chauvinism, display blatant racism in every single of their actions and see civility as a sign of weakness.

I hope Ustad Rabbani is the last Muslim Tajik, who becomes a martyr for this most ungrateful of country's that is Afghanistan. I hope Abdullah and Saleh, in particular Ustad Atta carry forward with their rhetoric of the last two days.

The only option is partition of Afghanistan now.

Regards,

Former "proud deluded afghan" now proud "anti-afghan".

[checkmate]

There still remains confusion as to who was behind it as the Taliban have not yet commented.

However, you should understand that even if the Taliban was behind this, they were also behind the death of Ahmad Karzai to the

disappointment of the secular Pashtun nationalists, primarily who are outside of Afghanistan, if not sitting next to Hamid Karzai

right now.

With regards to Rabbani and Daud, some Pashtun nationalists celebrated, but as fools since they don't see that they are seen in the same light as Ahmad Karzai and Daud- the exact same.

You see such fools such as yourself and them do not want to see what the real issue is about.

[Toramana]

This is really unfortunate---And one could guess its implications...Unfortunately, the Haqani Network has become the tool of Pakistan----Mullah Omars, Haqqanis, etc. are very eager to be the slaves of Pakistan...Here one pro-Taliban propagandadist acts like the biological son of General Pasha...

[randolph85]

Patiance is a virtue, but it is also finite. From today onwards, I personally would rather call myself many swear words then an Afghan anymore.

There is absolutely no common ground to be found or room for compromise anymore, whether Islamicily, or from a position of humanity with a people, the significant majority of whom are firstly at war with themselves, who take pleasure in barbarity, chauvinism, display blatant racism in every single of their actions and see civility as a sign of weakness.

I hope Ustad Rabbani is the last Muslim Tajik, who becomes a martyr for this most ungrateful of country's that is Afghanistan. I hope Abdullah and Saleh, in particular Ustad Atta carry forward with their rhetoric of the last two days.

The only option is partition of Afghanistan now.

Regards,

Former "proud deluded afghan" now proud "anti-afghan".

so now u are anti afghan because u see the situation through an ethnic view? should pashtuns killed by the government become anti afghan themselves? since u are anti afghan now id assume u have been anti tajik since the 90s because of the atheist communist vs muslim violence in tajikistan? if people like abdullah and saleh are the light of your movement, u might as well throw in pieces of work like rahmanov and just damn urselfs to failure right now.

[R3SISTANC3]

Patiance is a virtue, but it is also finite. From today onwards, I personally would rather call myself many swear words then an Afghan anymore.

There is absolutely no common ground to be found or room for compromise anymore, whether Islamicily, or from a position of humanity with a people, the significant majority of whom are firstly at war with themselves, who take pleasure in barbarity, chauvinism, display blatant racism in every single of their actions and see civility as a sign of weakness.

I hope Ustad Rabbani is the last Muslim Tajik, who becomes a martyr for this most ungrateful of country's that is Afghanistan. I hope Abdullah and Saleh, in particular Ustad Atta carry forward with their rhetoric of the last two days.

The only option is partition of Afghanistan now.

Regards,

Former "proud deluded afghan" now proud "anti-afghan".

There is a saying in Pashto, Da Afghan Moor Ba Taal Khair Tola Yaee...Pa Pakistan Ke. The mother of Afghan will always beg, in Pakistan.

Rabbani wasn't killed because he was a Tajik, he was killed because he was bringing Afghans together. If Tajiks turn against their brothers in Afghanistan then the enemies of Afghans have won. Brother please don't wish for civil war or separation. Afghans have seen enough war, wish and pray for peace. How much more will the Afghans have to suffer? Remember that Rabbani is the first Tajik in high position that was killed, before him everyone was Pashtun.

This is not a Pashtun vs. Tajik, Muslim vs. Muslim, Afghan vs. Afghan war. This war is between different political institutions that want different things according to their will. You also have to remember, that the "majority" you speak of, see their loved ones die at the hand of occupying forces every day, and they see none other then Tajiks serving them cold drinks on their missions to their villages. You feel like this about Pashtuns after the death of Rabbani, but Pashtuns have been dying in the South and East every single day for the past 10 years!

It's unfortunate, I know, but be fair and don't despair. Let us pray for peace in Afghanistan, no matter how. This war is only serving outsiders. Don't pray for more war. Only the innocent suffer, the leaders will go hide in caves in Pakistan and Iran, as before.

[JAMALUDEEN]

I kind of laughed when I watched people scream and cry for him. These so called people such as Ahmad Shah Masoud, Abdullah Abdullah, Fahim, Mullah Omer, Rabbani, sayaf and Hekmatyaar who have claimed to be leaders are a joke, no offence. Hopefully, all the money and power they have fought for, which has destroyed afghanistan in return and has claimed the lives of countless innocent poor people ... will save them in the Afterlife. They have all had a fair share of selling us to the outsiders.

Just my opinion.

[checkmate]

I kind of laughed when I watched people scream and cry for him. These so called people such as Ahmad Shah Masoud, Abdullah Abdullah, Fahim, Mullah Omer, Rabbani, sayaf and Hekmatyaar who have claimed to be leaders are a joke, no offence.

I have to say I think it is rather intellectually dishonest to include Omar Hotak amongst the aforementioned, considering he and the Taliban were not a part of the civil war, but in fact a response to it. The Taliban, formally did not exist prior to the civil war brought upon the nation by fake/or deviated Mujaiheen who had defeated the Soviets.

Perhaps in the future it would be wise to stick to facts rather than emotionalism and blanket labeling which I am sure people know is factually wrong.

Hopefully, all the money and power they have fought for, which has destroyed afghanistan in return and has claimed the lives of countless innocent poor people ... will save them in the Afterlife.

Money and power. Initially, "they" were a response to the Soviet war and occupation. Remember? Would any freedom loving individual accept occupation of their homeland? I am assuming you do not and would not.

They have all had a fair share of selling us to the outsiders.

The people who have sold the nation, and continue to do it are the secular folk who supported the Soviet war against Afghanistan back in the 80s, and today support the US war with Afghanistan. Nothing has changed about them except the slogans. Yesterday it was communism, and today it is democracy. The blame rest squarely with them. Do you somehow not think this perhaps? There will not be a tomorrow for these people. I am sure this is their last hurrah. If they lack guts to fight for their own secular ideals, tooth and nail, then you can understand why they are doomed to fail, and live the rest of their wretched and pathetic lives in the West. The nation does not need them at all. They have proven their worthlessness. Be aware that they are highly detested today more than ever before.

Just my opinion.

Consider that the Taliban became a force because the fake Mujaideen started fighting one another, and created havoc throughout. So society looked to them to bring order out of chaos.

Furthermore, it is very easy to sit on a high horse and point fingers. All the aforementioned minus Abdullah Abdullah grew up and knew only war. Never have they known peace because the some powers would not allow them. Therefore the blame lays squarely on nations such as the former Soviet Union, and today on the US for trying to impose occupation and war upon Afghan people, and thereby causing a reactionary retaliation by Afghan people, giving rise to such people as Masood, Sayaf, Hekmatyar, and Rabbani.

On the other hand, the man you fail to include in this list, Karzai, in fact can never to be listed with them, so you were right in not placing his name there. Although, it is questionable whether you did that out of intellectual awareness, or to somehow cast Karzai in a good light? The fact is, the above mentioned, including Omar Hotak, all fought for their land whereas people like Rangin Spanta, Hamid, and Ahmad Karzai ran from the nation when it needed them most. Today, they have replicated this coward behavior, and turned against their own people by supporting a US war that is being waged.

facts, not emotional and biased outbursts

[JAMALUDEEN]

I have to say I think it is rather intellectually dishonest to include Omar Hotak amongst the aforementioned, considering he and the Taliban were not a part of the civil war, but in fact a response to it. The Taliban, formally did not exist prior to the civil war brought upon the nation by fake/or deviated Mujaiheen who had defeated the Soviets.

Perhaps in the future it would be wise to stick to facts rather than emotionalism and blanket labeling which I am sure people know is factually wrong.

Again, is it fair to judge people who knew only war which was imposed on them from the outside. Would any freedom loving individual accept occupation of their homeland? I am assuming you do not and would not.

The people who have sold the nation, and continue to do it are the secular folk who supported the Soviet war against Afghanistan back in the 80s, and today support the US war with Afghanistan. Nothing has changed about them except the slogans. Yesterday it was communism, and today it is democracy. The blame rest squarely with them. Do you somehow not think this perhaps? There will not be a tomorrow for these people. I am sure this is their last hurrah. If they lack guts to fight for their own secular ideals, tooth and nail, then you can understand why they are doomed to fail, and live the rest of their wretched and pathetic lives in the West. The nation does not need them at all. They have proven their worthlessness. Be aware that they are highly detested today more than ever before.

Mate, the talibans are not angels. They might have come as a result of the civil war against the other factions, but what change did they bring? Instead, it was a weak, unorganized force and you can see the fruits of their labour still. They oppressed the weak and the vulnerable only. Their government was weak, there was no sense of unity but only the talibans fear and intimidation over civilians. You cannot deny this, as much as you have senti feelings for them, they were part of the game as well and Pakistan and other saudi nations were behind it and profited from it? How is it Islamic that they got their fundings from those haiyash rich arabs and dirty money from the CIA funneled through Pakistan? So is this not Watan Foroshi?

But you are right about the secularist. I do not disagree with this.



Consider that the Taliban became a force because the fake Mujaideen started fighting one another, and created havoc throughout. So society looked to them to bring order out of chaos.

and fight fire with gasoline? Oppress people more..

Good work the taliban.

Furthermore, it is very easy to sit on a high horse and point fingers. All the aforementioned minus Abdullah Abdullah grew up and knew only war. Never have they known peace because the some powers would not allow them. Therefore the blame lays squarely on nations such as the former Soviet Union, and today on the US for trying to impose occupation and war upon Afghan people, and thereby causing a reactionary retaliation by Afghan people, giving rise to such people as Masood, Sayaf, Hekmatyar, and Rabbani.

On the other hand, the man you fail to include in this list, Karzai, in fact can never to be listed with them, so you were right in not placing his name there. Although, it is questionable whether you did that out of intellectual awareness, or to somehow cast Karzai in a good light? The fact is, the above mentioned, including Omar Hotak, all fought for their land whereas people like Rangin Spanta, Hamid, and Ahmad Karzai ran from the nation when it needed them most. Today, they have replicated this coward behavior, and turned against their own people by supporting a US war that is being waged.

facts, not emotional and biased outbursts

Dude, If Mullah Omer was a good leader -- He wouldn't have risked the deaths of 40k+ innocent civilians as a result of not handing over a wahhabi (Osama Bin Laden).

For him, the life of one person was worth more than all the innocent civilians who were going to be killed as a result of his decision. What sort of a leader would do this? Isn't this Watan foroshi? Do you really think, he wanted Afghanistan to be a country? Isn't nationalism wrong in Islam? Then why would he then be a nationalist? Then why do you want Afghanistan as a nation? Wasn't he being emotionally involved with Osama Bin Laden? Mullah Omer is also responsible for all these deaths as much as the west, karzai, and others are.


It's funny that you accuse me of being emotional, but actually it is you who is taking sides and is being emotionally involved. LOL unlike you, I don't support a group just because they belong to the same race as me or because of my religious affiliation. Furthermore, this might be unrelated but Its also funny that majority of people who want these harsh policies of the Taliban over others but not themselves. I would love to see them living under the strict rule of the taliban, while having no job, money and not being allowed to go out to do something about it or being beheaded or shot.

[checkmate]

Mate, the talibans are not angels. They might have come as a result of the civil war against the other factions, but what change did they bring?

They brought order and security to most of the country minus the Panjshir valley. the same symptoms are causing them to be back now.

Instead, it was a weak, unorganized force and you can see the fruits of their labour still. They oppressed the weak and the vulnerable only.

You call Sharia law oppression, so then what do you consider freedom?

Their government was weak, there was no sense of unity but only the talibans fear and intimidation over civilians.

People were allowed to get an education. There was complete separation between men and females, especially in Kabul of all places. Women/girls were able to go to all-female schools without the fear of being attacked by armed thugs, who by the way were all mostly ex-Afghan communists.

You cannot deny this, as much as you have senti feelings for them,

NO, I am explaining facts here, not taking any side. Taliban were a response. They will become much more like the Iranian Islamic government in developing their nation.

they were part of the game as well and Pakistan and other saudi nations were behind it and profited from it?

they wanted to bring their country out of civil war. Game? Do you also think Mirwais had foreign backing when he removed the Persians from Afghanistan? Is everything always outside of Afghanistan? Do you think Afghans were not fed up with crime, and so they turned to the Taliban?

How is it Islamic that they got their fundings from those haiyash rich arabs and dirty money from the CIA funneled through Pakistan?

The US never ever funded the Taliban. The Taliban never formally existed prior to the civil war. It was a bunch of students who were fed up with the violence in Afghanistan, and sought to end and crush it.

But you are right about the secularist. I do not disagree with this.

and fight fire with gasoline? Oppress people more..

Good work the taliban.

Is Sharia oppression? Please research Sharia and get back to me? If you don't like Sharia, just say it. what you call oppression, I call order and stability. Sharia is not oppression, and it is required by Allah(swt) to be implemented all over the Muslim world. If people have problems with Sharia, then they know that they ought to leave Sharia states.

Anyone who is against Sharia is openly declaring war with the Islamic faith, and this much should be made very clear to all those who are against Sharia .

Dude, If Mullah Omer was a good leader -- He wouldn't have risked the deaths of 40k+ innocent civilians as a result of not handing over a wahhabi (Osama Bin Laden).

Since when did being a good leader equate to being a slave? Shouldn't the US have handed over the person who dropped the atomic bomb on Japan to the Japanese? Should they not have handed over their officials who supported cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan in 1998? Should they not leave Muslim lands alone because as you can see Muslims are taking control of OIL, and it will not be made cheap, but very expensive.

Let me make it crystal clear. They have been interfering and waging war upon the Muslim world for a long time. Bush 1 waged war upon Iraq. They have been stalwart supporters of the illegal Israeli state. They have supported tyrants not only in the Muslim world, but throughout the whole world. They have waged wars upon Latin America as well as Vietnam and Korea. Their meddling and interference with other nation is the barrier to peace in the world. They are war starters.

Should they not understand that their era has ended, and will not be pro-longed by illegal wars and drone attacks?

For him, the life of one person was worth more than all the innocent civilians who were going to be killed as a result of his decision. What sort of a leader would do this?

Trial was offered to see whether or not Osama was behind it. they refused. They don't need reason to attack anyone. They make them up as was witnessed in Iraq and Vietnam. They did not need reason to attack Korea. They have killed countless millions with their wars and support for illegal states such as Israel.

Isn't this Watan foroshi? Do you really think, he wanted Afghanistan to be a country? Isn't nationalism wrong in Islam? Then why would he then be a nationalist? Then why do you want Afghanistan as a nation?

Sharia is for all Muslim lands, and nothing will stop it. Egypt is on the verge of becoming a Sharia state. No drone attacks will stop it. Drone attacks in fact make the perpetrators of such crimes more weak in the world. It shows how desperate they have become in clinging on to the nothingness of their weakened state.

Wasn't he being emotionally involved with Osama Bin Laden? Mullah Omer is also responsible for all these deaths as much as the west, karzai, and others are.

The West needs no reason to attack countries, Look at what they did in Libya, Iraq (WMDs), Korea, Vietnam, and so on and so forth. They have been interfering with the Muslim world for too long. They killed Mossadeq. They initiated the Vietnam war. They initiated the Korean war. The initiated both Iraq wars, and they initiated the Afghan war.

Their record of lying is all there to see. They are waging a war of aggression against the Muslim world, have been, and now it is ending.

OIL is about to skyrocket in prices. You better stock up if your in the west

It's funny that you accuse me of being emotional, but actually it is you who is taking sides and is being emotionally involved. LOL unlike you, I don't support a group just because they belong to the same race as me or because of my religious affiliation.

I support not interference in the Muslim world. The Muslim world needs to be left alone. Furthermore, in fact, there can be no longer any diplomatic ties to the US or any other Western country that has supported aggression upon the Muslim world. It doesn't matter that they are finished as world powers, there can no longer be any diplomatic relations. This is logical. Why should nation support aggressors? Why should Iran sell oil to aggressors?

Furthermore, this might be unrelated but Its also funny that majority of people who want these harsh policies of the Taliban over others but not themselves. I would love to see them living under the strict rule of the taliban, while having no job, money and not being allowed to go out to do something about it or being beheaded or shot.

[/QUOTE]

You should have just said all along you are against Sharia law.

The vast majority of Muslim people aspire to live under Sharia. However, Sharia is the rule of Allah(swt). there is no other alternative.

Next time, it is best to discuss about Sharia rather then using code words such as the Taliban.

Sharia is also coming to Egypt as well as Turkey. Secular Turks are shaking.

You think that good Muslims do not want to live under Sharia? it is the dream and duty of all Muslim to live under Sharia?

and there is nothing else,

and Allah(swt) knows best

[randolph85]

why do people act like the afghan civil war was from 92-96?

the civil war began in the 70s and continues to this day. the taliban are just a mid civil war player in the game.

[JAMALUDEEN]

They brought order and security to most of the country minus the Panjshir valley. the same symptoms are causing them to be back now. You call Sharia law oppression, so then what do you consider freedom? People were allowed to get an education. There was complete separation between men and females, especially in Kabul of all places. Women/girls were able to go to all-female schools without the fear of being attacked by armed thugs, who by the way were all mostly ex-Afghan communists. NO, I am explaining facts here, not taking any side. Taliban were a response. They will become much more like the Iranian Islamic government in developing their nation. they wanted to bring their country out of civil war. Game? Do you also think Mirwais had foreign backing when he removed the Persians from Afghanistan? Is everything always outside of Afghanistan? Do you think Afghans were not fed up with crime, and so they turned to the Taliban? The US never ever funded the Taliban. The Taliban never formally existed prior to the civil war. It was a bunch of students who were fed up with the violence in Afghanistan, and sought to end and crush it. Is Sharia oppression? Please research Sharia and get back to me? If you don't like Sharia, just say it. what you call oppression, I call order and stability. Sharia is not oppression, and it is required by Allah(swt) to be implemented all over the Muslim world. If people have problems with Sharia, then they know that they ought to leave Sharia states.

Please stay on topic, this is not a shariah vs secularism debate. But since you have brought it up, of-course, i'd support shariah in a muslim country. Islam is a complete way of life. Just because I don't support any warlords or the taliban, does not mean i am against shariah. Give me one good example of a muslim country where shariah is implemented properly. You speak of Iran but Iran is a very poor example of an Islamic government , they have legalised prostitution through temporary marraige, they practice taqiyah, Sunnis are oppressed in Iran, etc. Islam is not at fault in here, it is the way some people interpret it to justify their own actions and agendas such as the way Mullah Omer did it, and so did the other warlords.
This is the reason why, I'll never support any of these warlords. It is because of them Afghanistan is in the ruins, and innocent lives were lost, as people fought their muslim brothers just because they belonged to a different ethnic group.

I do agree that the taliban brought stability and order but it wasn't through strenghtening the peoples imaan but actually it was done though fear and intimidation.


Anyone who is against Sharia is openly declaring war with the Islamic faith, and this much should be made very clear to all those who are against Sharia.

I'm not against shariah, i am against anyone who misinterprets islam to brainwash and oppress people in order to fulfill their own agendas. But I guess, what you are trying to say is that "Anyone who is against the taliban, are openly declaring war against the islamic faith."

Since when did being a good leader equate to being a slave? Shouldn't the US have handed over the person who dropped the atomic bomb on Japan to the Japanese? Should they not have handed over their officials who supported cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan in 1998? Should they not leave Muslim lands alone because as you can see Muslims are taking control of OIL, and it will not be made cheap, but very expensive.

This is a very poor example, and it is a whole debate by itself. It still doesn't explain why the taliban kept Osama Bin Laden, who was a known terrorist. Their leader Mullah Omer should have known the implications of his decision. He gave refuge to a guy who funded the whole operation of recruiting and brainwashing young people in the madrassahs of Pakistan to perform terrorist attacks on innocent civilians. This is a known FACT. Now, don't tell me its all lies. But I guess, since you support Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban, then you must support the suicide attacks as well.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me tell you that OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS NOT A HERO and niether is Mullah Omer. PLEASE don't associate them with ISLAM or MUSLIMS. They both served their purpose (For whoever, even if its the US) and Muslims as a whole are paying for their mistakes.


Let me make it crystal clear. They have been interfering and waging war upon the Muslim world for a long time. Bush 1 waged war upon Iraq. They have been stalwart supporters of the illegal Israeli state. They have supported tyrants not only in the Muslim world, but throughout the whole world. They have waged wars upon Latin America as well as Vietnam and Korea. Their meddling and interference with other nation is the barrier to peace in the world. They are war starters.

This is true, but i don't see how its related to the debate. You see, the only reason they are succeeding is because of our own fault. Taliban fighting the northern alliance is a good example. Both sides are Muslims, fighting against each other and there is no unity. So, of course outsiders are going to take advantage of this. This can be said about all the muslim countries in the world.

Should they not understand that their era has ended, and will not be pro-longed by illegal wars and drone attacks?

Trial was offered to see whether or not Osama was behind it. they refused. They don't need reason to attack anyone. They make them up as was witnessed in Iraq and Vietnam. They did not need reason to attack Korea. They have killed countless millions with their wars and support for illegal states such as Israel.

Osama bin Laden was a terrorist who was previously involved with the CIA. When the taliban gave him refuge, weren't they giving refuge to a kafir who worked for the CIA? Everyone knows about the CIA's record, and yet Osama Bin Laden worked for them. Who is to say, he still wasn't working for the CIA when he was in Afghanistan? Maybe a double or a triple agent.

Sharia is for all Muslim lands, and nothing will stop it. Egypt is on the verge of becoming a Sharia state. No drone attacks will stop it. Drone attacks in fact make the perpetrators of such crimes more weak in the world. It shows how desperate they have become in clinging on to the nothingness of their weakened state.

The West needs no reason to attack countries, Look at what they did in Libya, Iraq (WMDs), Korea, Vietnam, and so on and so forth. They have been interfering with the Muslim world for too long. They killed Mossadeq. They initiated the Vietnam war. They initiated the Korean war. The initiated both Iraq wars, and they initiated the Afghan war.

True.

Their record of lying is all there to see. They are waging a war of aggression against the Muslim world, have been, and now it is ending.

True again

OIL is about to skyrocket in prices. You better stock up if your in the west
I support not interference in the Muslim world. The Muslim world needs to be left alone. Furthermore, in fact, there can be no longer any diplomatic ties to the US or any other Western country that has supported aggression upon the Muslim world. It doesn't matter that they are finished as world powers, there can no longer be any diplomatic relations. This is logical. Why should nation support aggressors? Why should Iran sell oil to aggressors?


You should have just said all along you are against Sharia law.

I am not against shariah.

The vast majority of Muslim people aspire to live under Sharia. However, Sharia is the rule of Allah(swt). there is no other alternative.

True.

Next time, it is best to discuss about Sharia rather then using code words such as the Taliban.

I explained it to you before.

Sharia is also coming to Egypt as well as Turkey. Secular Turks are shaking.

You think that good Muslims do not want to live under Sharia? it is the dream and duty of all Muslim to live under Sharia?

and there is nothing else,

and Allah(swt) knows best

I never said, Muslims do not want to live under shariah.

P.S. Stay on topic. lol and discuss one thing at a time.