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    Former Saudi spy chief: U.S. should have declared end to Afghan war after killing of bin Laden - Checkpoint Washington - The Washington Post

    Posted at 03:01 PM ET, 09/07/2011 Former Saudi spy chief: U.S. should have declared end to Afghan war after killing of bin Laden

    By Craig Whitlock

    Amid the crush of 9/11 anniversary seminars and conferences that are dominating think-tank and academic circles in Washington, one featured speaker stood out Wednesday: a former Arab spy chief who knew Osama bin Laden personally.

    Prince Turki al-Faisal, the longtime head of Saudi Arabia’s foreign intelligence service until he resigned shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackings, lent his regal presence to a panel discussion jointly sponsored by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Intelligence and National Security Alliance. In an auditorium at the Ronald Reagan Building, Turki lit up the stage in his dapper tan suit and red pocket handkerchief even before he served up a particularly frank assessment of the state of al-Qaeda.
    Contrary to those who have argued that bin Laden was primarily a figurehead or a symbolic figure, Turki said the al-Qaeda leader’s death marked a watershed moment — so important that its significance has actually gone underappreciated in the United States.
    “The killing of bin Laden has not gotten the accolades that it deserves, not just throughout the world but even in this country,” said Turki, who has also served as the Saudi ambassador to the United States and is a Georgetown alumnus.
    He recalled how former President George W. Bush had vowed to capture bin Laden, “dead or alive,” and praised President Obama for persisting in that mission. “I think he should have been given more credit for it by the American people and the rest of us.”
    At the same time, Turki said the Obama administration was missing an even greater opportunity: to exploit bin Laden’s demise as a pretext for declaring victory in the war in Afghanistan and withdrawing U.S. troops. Not by the end of 2014, which is the current timetable, but immediately.
    “I don’t mean withdrawing your embassy, your economic aid or your other support, but having troops on the ground in Afghanistan has never succeeded,” he said, citing ill-fated attempts by Alexander the Great, the British and the Soviet Union to keep the Afghans under their thumbs.
    “Killing bin Laden would have been the perfect moment for your president to say, ‘We’ve done it, we are victorious,’ this is the timetable that we’ve set for withdrawal of troops and goodbye and good luck,” Turki continued. “This would be the perfect moment to leave with a victory and not to go on and sort of continue in this endless mission of strike and counterstrike.”
    He implied that the window for declaring victory may have passed, noting that the Afghan insurgency has broadened to include a variety of ethnic groups, not just Pashtuns but Uzbeks and Tajiks and others as well. “The Afghan people will not accept foreign troops,” he said. “They are going to fight them.”
    Turki knows Afghanistan and al-Qaeda better than most. He played an instrumental role in working with the CIA to arm the mujaheddin resistance fighters who chased the Red Army out of Afghanistan in the 1980s.
    He also met bin Laden several times in Afghanistan and Pakistan, before the Saudi native had his citizenship stripped by the kingdom for his terrorist activities. In 1998, Turki traveled to Kandahar to persuade Taliban leader Mullah Omar to hand over bin Laden after al-Qaeda bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He was unsuccessful.
    Turki resigned as Saudi Arabia’s spy chief a couple of weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, a day that he said also lives in infamy in the kingdom, not only because of bin Laden’s involvement, but because 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
    “That event weighs heavily on my shoulders as a Saudi,” he said. Of some solace, he said, was that Saudi Arabia and the United States have since forged a stronger relationship on counterterrorism matters.
    Last edited by Guest; 09-08-2011, 01:50 PM.

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    the Afghan insurgency has broadened to include a variety of ethnic groups, not just Pashtuns but Uzbeks and Tajiks and others as well. “The Afghan people will not accept foreign troops,” he said. “They are going to fight them.”

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    • #3
      Says the guy who financed the Taliban untill 2001 openly and after that secretly?


      I don´t know why people like you jump up and down when enemies of Afghanistan get in front of microphones and tell the world and us Afghans, what we want, should do or not do.
      The only constant is change.

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      • #4
        A rational person would count people who support war upon Afghanistan as enemies, and those who support the freedom of Afghanistan as not. I don't know what other retarded philosophy exists where you count supporting war against Afghanistan as patriotic. Go to a 5th grader with this illogical jargon, ans they will laugh at you.
        I do not subscribe to that fairy tale spun by mostly expatriots.

        The only Afghan enemies of Afghanistan are these filthy Western educated expatriots who have supported invasion and war upon their country. They are the only poison.

        A bunch of failures who never made it in the West, so decided to support war against Afghanistan, and boost their egos.

        They still fail haha
        Last edited by Guest; 09-08-2011, 02:33 PM.

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        • #5
          hypocrite saudi ,speaking with a forked tongue .

          if he was such empathic with the afghan people , he should nationalize the saudi oil industrie and put an embargo on the americans , their air planes and tanks run with stolen saudi oil !!!

          i mean saudi arabia has got state of the art , army and consider it self a developed country .

          by the way , yes afghans will not allow foreign troops on their soil , unlike saudis who have american presence since the 50s till today .and who have no problem with it at all . despite all the humillation and insult by the zionist american media over the decades .

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          • #6
            ^now that is true. These Saudis are the biggest hypocrites in that regard. They could cut the oil sales completely, but they are slaves. they also supported the war upon Iraq and actively allowed the US warplanes to refuel there.

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            • #7
              @ ashraf , those people who with afghan descent who support those benamous americaian , they dont do it for their ego , wish they had one then they would not leek their boots.

              they do it for their own financial interesst , no americans - no need for "afghan" counselors -no cash and if its not directly , than one of their families work for them and they get a share or another advantage.

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              • #8
                Abassi wrora,

                this is true. thanks for correcting me. I guess they don't mind being hated by so many then.

                Daud Daud, Ahmad Wali, just look at their rotten fates.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                  Says the guy who financed the Taliban untill 2001 openly and after that secretly?

                  I don´t know why people like you jump up and down when enemies of Afghanistan get in front of microphones and tell the world and us Afghans, what we want, should do or not do.
                  They will continue to finance the Taliban. Its a death sentence if they do not. If the Taliban lose, these Arabs will be sh*tting in their pants. They hold mutual interests with the Taliban against Iran even though the Taliban were giving refuge to their sworn enemy Osama and were allowing the training of people that worked to overthrow the Saudi regime. Iran is a much bigger threat than Al Qaeda ever was to the Saudi family. These Arabs even worked against the American invasion plans of Afghanistan and Iraq.

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                  • #10
                    america and saudi appear to have a symbiotic relationship. doesn't saudi have huge investments in america? it, along with israel would love america to take out iran.

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                    • #11
                      ^I would not go that far. Its a rivalry that is superficially based on Sunni-Shiite division, and these fools have played into the hands of outsiders. I doubt they would support foreigners to wage war upon each other. Its about influence. Remember, even Iran was against the Iraq war.

                      It would be nice to see Saudi slave mentality erased. If these fools worked together, it would be very beneficial for the Muslims and the world.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by faye View Post
                        america and saudi appear to have a symbiotic relationship. doesn't saudi have huge investments in america? it, along with israel would love america to take out iran.
                        Not necessarily the Saudis. They would love to take out its nuclear program but the regime itself I think they are ok with. If the US does take out Iran and installs a US friendly regime, then the US would be more friendly towards Iran and would sideline the Saudis. The Saudis dream would be the status quo pre 911 which was an Iran regime hostile to the US but contained by the Taliban on one side and Saddam on the other side.
                        The US took them both out and Iran's influence has grown which is slowly becoming limited. Bahrains Shia demonstration have been violently suppressed thanks to the Pakistani Army. Syria is in trouble, by next summer you'll have Assad living in Teran which is going to limit Hezbollahs support.
                        The chess pieces are being moved around.

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