Badruddin Haqqani on the phone....

[graveyardofempires]

you brainless person now you know how well taliban are equipped by their masters. this is disgussting, you are exactly like shahbazee for every criminal act of these terrorists you have an excuse.
you, ashrar(unknown), Nokia and shahbazee have the same agenda of killing pashtun.

easy there
i was only asking if this was authentic.

[graveyardofempires]

you know what i mean. it is just making me so mad that pakis are coming to my afghanistan and destroying it. why cant you guys see that. graveyard you are brainwashed we all know isi is behind the suffer in afghanistan and still you defend them? why are paki pashtuns coming to afghanistan to fight. we dont want you.

how are pakis coming to Afghanistan?
you calling em brainwashed whiele you are calling haqani a pakistani while he is from paktia.
dont bark at me with that typical non sense.

[abassinafghan]

the people dont fight for mullah omar or isi rawalpindi , they would also not fight if there were no tyranny murder rape and disrespect . but those things are there .

how ever it is also true , that some times the wrong people does the right things ,or that the wrong people take advantage of the momentum .


and if the people dont take care , afghanistan will be a colony of the american , however with a proxy walli called pakistan !!!!

the state of pakistan support the war against the afghan people in full scale !!! if the pakistan goverment and state , would just keep neutrality , this war would be over in 6 months .

80% of the nato /us supply comes over the bandar of karachi , they could not lead this war in this scale and manner if they wouldnt have the accesses to those supplies .

so the pakistani state and goverment are appropiate targets in this war ......


that "amir mullah omar " dont interfer in pakistan or that haqqani dont say a thing against pakistan , shows on which side they are , as i said , there is more than black and white .

but its also true , the people dont fight for pakistaniat or isi , they fight for their freedom .

[unknownprince]

Its funny how you try to deny the Afghan resistance and credit it at the same time. Are you confused, or was that your clumsy and ridiculous attempt at trying, like American dog Karzai, to say Afghans die fighting for Pakistan? LOL, wow, this really is BULL.

Enjoy Barakzai's response. I think this response should made a sticky.

Quote: Originally Posted by BarakzaiAbdali I am about to catch you up in a trap of your own making. I am proud of you for one reason and one reason alone... you were very honest here at this link:What annoyed Obama about Mullah OmarHere were your OWN words. Please pay special attention to the underlined parts. You were truthful there and did something that many of comrades in here in the past, from Mostafa to Toramana to the whole lot of them were unwilling to do: admit that the rural masses have a different perception of governance than do the elite or the Westernized Muslim population. I think only Osho before you was able to concede that he wanted to SUBVERT the will of his countrymen and was unabashed. You more than admitted that the Taliban's value system overlaps and reconciles quiet a bit more with the masses and made, with your own words, a solid argument for why they, or some acceptable equivalent, is more in line with the aspirations of the Afghan people.:"I think that all Afghans are against this acupation, they only difrence is that some want a difrent resistantce than the taliban, we have to look at our history and see, when the russian where in Afghanistan peopel didn't care who the person against the russian were, if they were against them they were given money and weapons, but most peopel didn't realise that those peopel the so called "mujhahidin" wanted only power and money, becuase the same "mujhahidin" who were against the Kafir USSR are now sitting and letting 100 difrent Kafir nation in to Afghanistan. And now you peopel say it doesn't matter what the taliban are doing or what they have done in the past, they are against the accupiers so they are good. But if the Americans leave and the Taliban take power a lot of peopel are afraid that they would bring the same rule like they once did in the 90's. And some say the rural peopel are in favor, afcours they are in favor of taliban they don't know any better, they have the same mentality, like women is not allowed to go to work or to school. We peopel who have traveld to the WEst and have seen the world must realise that Taliban is not the solution. I am only pro taliban if they respect human rights and not do the same mistakes like in the past. But there is no gaurantee that they wouldn't do it.So if some Afghans don't like taliban that doesn't mean that they love Americans and NATO, it is just the way taliban is fighting and what they did in the past. Because of that peopel have suspicion."Your words alone.... not mine. Let us supplement this with scholarly views that affirm something that Mostafa and others are in idealistic denial of, namely that Taliban represent the rural Pashtun far better than available options.:Here is an article by Dr. Kakar, a notable, renowned, but an ANTI Taliban Pashtun historian CONCEDES the same point you did above:“In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war. But this security comes at a cost. Forced recruitment of young men to fight the ever bloody war of attrition against the Northern alliance has depleted the man-power from these rural centers. In the cities and urban centers, the more modern and liberal way of life conflicts sharply with that of the Taliban's social and religious values.Now, the Americans also are beginning to admit this very same point, regarding the Taliban being, in the least, a representative of the rural religious tradition:“History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.http://www.thenation.com/article/157...sider-talksNow to combat this reality (that the Taliban are certainly the best representation of the will of the rural masses, these same folks come up with the nonsense that the Taliban seek to inflict ISI hegemony on all of Afghanistan. They point to the monetary backing and “strategic depth” they afforded the Quetta shura as proof. Hogwash, I respond emphatically. Why? Well, take the example of Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, esteemed in some circles and derided in others. His value system means little to us in this analysis. What we know for sure is that he very likely had American backing and arms at some point during the Russo-Afghan war. Now to say that he was fighting to inflict American ideologies onto Afghanistan, so that Afghan school children could forget Pashto and recite the Pledge of allegiance, and replace Ahmad Shah Baba with Washington Baba is such an absurd thesis that if you recite it to a street fakeer he will show you all of his teeth. This is as absurd as the allegation that the Taliban seek to create Panjabistan solely because of their strategic assetts.So then, what occurs again and again here is that the nationalists in support of Achekzai and his marxist ilk, and the Afghan elites in support of bygone days of Zahir Shah, Daud Khan, and (sickly enough) Najib create a flat earth society, reality defying narrative where every Pashtun was ready to do his comrade walk or buddy up in a pluralistic society with hindus. You at least were brave enough to admit that you hold no such illusions. Then, let us speak in plain terms per your own quote above:1) Why do you feel that you know what is best for the Afghan people?2) Why do you suppose it is your right and NATOs right to subvert their will (which you admit) and to hoist upon them a secular system foreign to their way of life in some regard?3) Have you not read history and not understood that generally, imposing such a system on a people rarely results in acceptance? Rather, a reactionary mindset settles in and radicalism increases as a response to occupation. It took nearly 1000 years for democracy to reach the American way, from Runny Meade in Britain, when King John ceded his power to the parliament, to the modern era. For you to think that it is correct to force your westernized views of what is right for not onto the native populace is a subversion of the right of a people to evolve their own way of governance autonomously (rubbish to whatever these folks assert and scream at this point regarding Saudi/Pakistani/Iranian hegemony… this is propaganda, pure and simple and they know it… it need not even be acknowledged.)

[abassinafghan]

come to reality i have seen pakistani officers in the talibans rows ,by my own eyes in the 90s , and yes the pakis are taking advantage by us .

i dont know if mullah omar is your chosor or any other way related to you , but your super heros are not that noble .at least not all of them

stop just seeing black and white , but also the shadows .

tell me ,why does the pakis insist on being part of the solution or peace talks , in afghanistan ? are they the patrons of the afghans ? can we not speak on our own ?

why does they hand over several high ranking taliban commanders or kill them , while other are unharmed ?
especially those who were willing for direct peace talks . see mullah bradar or mullah zaeef ?

2. who says that theee taliban are the afghan resistance??? do you know how many taliban commanders were bought ? even karzai was a "former " taliban . as you see the term taliban is not coprighted .

3. alot of stories are told and alot of myths are written which sound good on paper but are not the reality ,

and yes there are people who are paid by rawalpindi ,to harm the afghan people in the name of islam and freedom , but which have others hidden agendas .

[graveyardofempires]

come to reality i have seen pakistani officers in the talibans rows ,by my own eyes in the 90s , and yes the pakis are taking advantage by us .

i dont know if mullah omar is your chosor or any other way related to you , but your super heros are not that noble .at least not all of them

stop just seeing black and white , but also the shadows .

tell me ,why does the pakis insist on being part of the solution or peace talks , in afghanistan ? are they the patrons of the afghans ? can we not speak on our own ?

why does they hand over several high ranking taliban commanders or kill them , while other are unharmed ?
especially those who were willing for direct peace talks . see mullah bradar or mullah zaeef ?

2. who says that theee taliban are the afghan resistance??? do you know how many taliban commanders were bought ? even karzai was a "former " taliban . as you see the term taliban is not coprighted .

3. alot of stories are told and alot of myths are written which sound good on paper but are not the reality ,

and yes there are people who are paid by rawalpindi ,to harm the afghan people in the name of islam and freedom , but which have others hidden agendas .

actually rawalpindi gets paid to support the hurting of afghan people by the foreign invaders.
i guess you dont knwo that pakistan is a "key" ally and works as a trnaist route for supplies.

if you listen carefully you will hear the paki factor.

TOLOnews.com _04 _08 _2011 _PURSO _PAL - YouTube

[gadoonwal]

actually rawalpindi gets paid to support the hurting of afghan people by the foreign invaders.
i guess you dont knwo that pakistan is a "key" ally and works as a trnaist route for supplies.

if you listen carefully you will hear the paki factor.

TOLOnews.com _04 _08 _2011 _PURSO _PAL - YouTube

graveyard can you tell us why pakistan want talibans back in afghanistan?
paki army,govt and politicains wants talibs back in power why is that?

[graveyardofempires]

graveyard can you tell us why pakistan want talibans back in afghanistan?
paki army,govt and politicains wants talibs back in power why is that?

they think that taliban might forgive them for aiding the foreign invaders,satisfied?
i now ask you why is pukhtunkhwa used to supply foreign invaders of my country?
and why do you think every pukhtun who opposes pakistan and other invaders is somehow isi agent?

[unknownprince]

PAKISTAN along with the Karzai/Spanta American puppets supports the US WAR AGAINST AFGHANISTAN

[unknownprince]

Abbassi,

that FILTHY Karzai/Spanta dogs are not Afghans.

They are the biggest enemies of Afghanistan along with anyone who supports the US war against Afghanistan.

KArzai, Spanaata, Pakistan, India HAVE all supported the US WAR AGAINST AFGHANISTAN

You are supporting the US war against AFGHANISTAN,

[unknownprince]

Originally Posted by BarakzaiAbdali
I am about to catch you up in a trap of your own making. I am proud of you for one reason and one reason alone... you were very honest here at this link:

What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar

Here were your OWN words. Please pay special attention to the underlined parts. You were truthful there and did something that many of comrades in here in the past, from Mostafa to Toramana to the whole lot of them were unwilling to do: admit that the rural masses have a different perception of governance than do the elite or the Westernized Muslim population. I think only Osho before you was able to concede that he wanted to SUBVERT the will of his countrymen and was unabashed. You more than admitted that the Taliban's value system overlaps and reconciles quiet a bit more with the masses and made, with your own words, a solid argument for why they, or some acceptable equivalent, is more in line with the aspirations of the Afghan people.:

"I think that all Afghans are against this acupation, they only difrence is that some want a difrent resistantce than the taliban, we have to look at our history and see, when the russian where in Afghanistan peopel didn't care who the person against the russian were, if they were against them they were given money and weapons, but most peopel didn't realise that those peopel the so called "mujhahidin" wanted only power and money, becuase the same "mujhahidin" who were against the Kafir USSR are now sitting and letting 100 difrent Kafir nation in to Afghanistan. And now you peopel say it doesn't matter what the taliban are doing or what they have done in the past, they are against the accupiers so they are good. But if the Americans leave and the Taliban take power a lot of peopel are afraid that they would bring the same rule like they once did in the 90's. And some say the rural peopel are in favor, afcours they are in favor of taliban they don't know any better, they have the same mentality, like women is not allowed to go to work or to school. We peopel who have traveld to the WEst and have seen the world must realise that Taliban is not the solution. I am only pro taliban if they respect human rights and not do the same mistakes like in the past. But there is no gaurantee that they wouldn't do it.

So if some Afghans don't like taliban that doesn't mean that they love Americans and NATO, it is just the way taliban is fighting and what they did in the past. Because of that peopel have suspicion."

Your words alone.... not mine. Let us supplement this with scholarly views that affirm something that Mostafa and others are in idealistic denial of, namely that Taliban represent the rural Pashtun far better than available options.:

Here is an article by Dr. Kakar, a notable, renowned, but an ANTI Taliban Pashtun historian CONCEDES the same point you did above:

“In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war. But this security comes at a cost. Forced recruitment of young men to fight the ever bloody war of attrition against the Northern alliance has depleted the man-power from these rural centers. In the cities and urban centers, the more modern and liberal way of life conflicts sharply with that of the Taliban's social and religious values.

Now, the Americans also are beginning to admit this very same point, regarding the Taliban being, in the least, a representative of the rural religious tradition:

“History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.
http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks

Now to combat this reality (that the Taliban are certainly the best representation of the will of the rural masses, these same folks come up with the nonsense that the Taliban seek to inflict ISI hegemony on all of Afghanistan. They point to the monetary backing and “strategic depth” they afforded the Quetta shura as proof. Hogwash, I respond emphatically. Why? Well, take the example of Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, esteemed in some circles and derided in others. His value system means little to us in this analysis. What we know for sure is that he very likely had American backing and arms at some point during the Russo-Afghan war. Now to say that he was fighting to inflict American ideologies onto Afghanistan, so that Afghan school children could forget Pashto and recite the Pledge of allegiance, and replace Ahmad Shah Baba with Washington Baba is such an absurd thesis that if you recite it to a street fakeer he will show you all of his teeth. This is as absurd as the allegation that the Taliban seek to create Panjabistan solely because of their strategic assetts.

So then, what occurs again and again here is that the nationalists in support of Achekzai and his marxist ilk, and the Afghan elites in support of bygone days of Zahir Shah, Daud Khan, and (sickly enough) Najib create a flat earth society, reality defying narrative where every Pashtun was ready to do his comrade walk or buddy up in a pluralistic society with hindus.

[gadoonwal]

they think that taliban might forgive them for aiding the foreign invaders,satisfied?
i now ask you why is pukhtunkhwa used to supply foreign invaders of my country?
and why do you think every pukhtun who opposes pakistan and other invaders is somehow isi agent?

so swatis and waziris are liers?
Pakistan is playing a dirty game which sadagan like you would never undersatnd.
ttp was never and never will be against pakistani interests.
Wait and see.
pashtunkhwa is not country you know that for sure.
Once pashtunkhwa become a country then you can blame them.
as long as you use torkham,chaman and karachi for trade forget about free afghhanistan.
They will blackmail your country.
Change is coming but to both countries.
pakistan is failing,the economy,the power crisis and on going violence .
On the other side afghanistan is in similar situation so now you tell me what change is coming to our boundries?
which country will finally take over the region.?
Me and you can cry for day and night but that will not make any different.
The smaller economies and countries are falling to the big empires.

[graveyardofempires]

so swatis and waziris are liers?
Pakistan is playing a dirty game which sadagan like you would never undersatnd.

zoya
you have just awoken now we have lived uder such circumstances.
people in Pukhtunkhwa cant express their opinion or they will be killed or imprisoned the sam can be said for Afghanistan ,if you say anything different than party line you might get in trouble.

ttp was never and never will be against pakistani interests.
Wait and see.

lets ee burning supply trucks,fighting napak army is not against pakistan?

pashtunkhwa is not country you know that for sure.
it is the route that supplies foreign forces in Afghanistan,yet we have paki flag wavers around here trying to tell us how much they care abotu Pashtuns.

Once pashtunkhwa become a country then you can blame them.
as long as you use torkham,chaman and karachi for trade forget about free afghhanistan.

well that is very easy for see,you are defending what nokia here defends and yet claim to be pro pashtun.

They will blackmail your country.
Change is coming but to both countries.
pakistan is failing,the economy,the power crisis and on going violence .

wey zema sada wrora
pakistan might be failing but it is pukhtunkhwa which is feeling the brunt.their economy depends on Pashtuns being killed and their areas invaded.

On the other side afghanistan is in similar situation so now you tell me what change is coming to our boundries?

change doesnt come by playing the blame game and not looking at things realistically.I think if we go in this way they would probably make grounds for Pashtuns fighting each other Lar Aw Bar War what they are after.
first they used Pukhtan ein pukhtunkhwa and offcourse Punjab regiment to curb down pashtuns and now they are playing different game.

so for change to com efirst one needs to educate oneself and others about facts.People need to knwo themselves,people need to demand and stop being scared that some jasoos will report him to the paki authorities.change can only come when durrand line is erased otherwise these pro paki pathans will have us war with eachother.
Kunar,Bajaur,Momand are the same people so i will not call bajauryan or moman pakis and accept durrand line or have them accept british laws upon them.

which country will finally take over the region.?

No country,the only way to Pukhtun khadey will be end to durrand line ka sog jarey aw ka sog khandey,Afghans are all united for this cause.

Me and you can cry for day and night but that will not make any different.
The smaller economies and countries are falling to the big empires.

than we need to change the economic situation,we have resources.

[abassinafghan]

ashraf , i dont know how old you are , but i guess you must be quiet young .

however you should watch your mouth ,when it comes to alligations .


i lost several family members just a few weeks ago , thanks to the american concept of freedom , they were innocent civilians , and shoot dead on the bright day .

also the cousin of my father was killed , he was 70 , and fuctioned as a mashar , he was shoot in the masjit . taliban told him to stop representing his village , he did so , in fear of his children , and familiy . how ever he was killed , for no reason . or for the sole fact , that he was quiet capable .


so before telling me that i support some one , think before you type any nonsense .


2. i guess you are probably born and raised , in the west ,and its quiet funny how you try to show us , what the people and especially de keli khalq want .


i dont think that the people want to give any arab cia trouble makers pana ??? so it can be used as a legitimation for invasion ?

or that they want to be told that their children dont need school.

or that they dont want a job in a manufactury with a secure income ??? or a job atleast `???


the taliban could manage to keep up the amniat , the public order , but they were quiet uncapable to hold their power and speak on their own .

instead they rellied on dirty pakis on rawalpindi and zionist wahabi slaves from saudi . and both showed their really face after 9/11


what a shame would it be if , the taliban would forgive the pakis . just ask the ones who were handed over and betrayed .


@ graveyard .


yes its again true and if have read my prior comments , you would have seen my point to the pakis , but that the tragedie . the pakis play a doublegame , they just want to play hidden superpower . and there are alot of people who are not interessted in peace talks , and especially no direct peace talks , starting with the mongolid/ tajik / uzbek **** of na , to kharzai , and the pakis !!!!

[unknownprince]

Abbasi,

My condolences to you about your family members who were killed by the US cowards.

Afghanistans freedom from the US occupation is a must. The Afghans will not stop fighting until all foreigners withdraw.

The US is the reason for the instability in Afghanistan and the rest of region.

It will be stable when they leave