Pakhtunkhwa: The Evil Dream Of Sarhadi Gandhi

[graveyardofempires]

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da kho bya halath kharab dey

no se ba keygey?Shahi sayed senga dey? matha kho der khe saray ekhkarey,aw achakzai?

ze peygem che asfandyar wali leka senga che karzi mung wesharmaweloo doy ham oukhtane yee wesharmawel aw Ghafar Khan yee ham wesharmawoo.

kho os ba se keygey?

[RanadahRanadah]

BACHA KHAN BABA WAS A GREAT MAN but his grandson and hotis are the loyal servants of punjab.They are no longer follower of bacha khan.

If they are not his follower than they will truely fail and they will not even be alive! but i believe they are and they will be always loyal to Pashtons/Afghans if they are not someone else will take over the leadership sooner or later!

[RanadahRanadah]

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da kho bya halath kharab dey

no se ba keygey?Shahi sayed senga dey? matha kho der khe saray ekhkarey,aw achakzai?

ze peygem che asfandyar wali leka senga che karzi mung wesharmaweloo doy ham oukhtane yee wesharmawel aw Ghafar Khan yee ham wesharmawoo.

kho os ba se keygey?

Any leader who deviate from true paths to his people, he will fail and someone else among the people will take over the leadership it is true and it is natural but i hope that they stay true and committ to the cause and help pashtons/Afghans.

Baba made mistakes too but after all is endure lots sufferings for which history will never forget him he has special place in the hearts of all Pashton.

[RanadahRanadah]

zwana ,makh pa makh mi tre pohtania/taposona kari dey wallah mung pa dera tyaara ki prata u.
pa ,,anp,,ki chi kom speen nyati halak woo hagwi us party prehodi dah.
us hotian aw asfandyar da paiso pa ragondaoli ki buht dey.
sok chi da punjabi chaudry khpo ki nast wey da ago na daa tamay makawa.
da tolay dramay dey.
kom mashar chi khpal qaam pa jung ki pragdi aw da bacho sara da pakistan pa helicopter/chorlaki ki punjab ta watahti haga ba sa pakhtu wagati.dwee pukhtaana ha washarmawol.
da ,,anp,,tol masharn punjab ta kada shawi dey.
pa dollaro khpal qaam harsy.
da dwi hara loba zda dah.chi afghanistan ta laar shey wy afghanan u.pa islam abad ki da pakistanyat pa meena sandari wy aw zaan ta watndost wy.hum daga rung pa india ki zaan ta hindostanyaan wy aw waay chi mung da hindostan taqseem na gohto.

Tah gham makawah wah bashy pah khir! Anyone leader who deviate from the true he will lose! i hope they do not! If they do someone else will take over!

[gadoonwal]

Tah gham makawah wah bashy pah khir! Anyone leader who deviate from the true he will lose! i hope they do not! If they do someone else will take over!

stari mashai
pashtun revolution will crush all traitors.
I do not judge people by good speech.
Mamood khan achakzai is the only leader not under the ,,isi,,influence.

[RanadahRanadah]

stari mashai
pashtun revolution will crush all traitors.
I do not judge people by good speech.
Mamood khan achakzai is the only leader not under the ,,isi,,influence.

Khuadi Rawalah, Pah khir kigi har sah kigi! True is true and those who pursue true they will be successful, the service to people by leaders sacred and noble anyone cheating on people will lose sooner or later it will happen!

[Shehbaz Khan]

[QUOTE=graveyardofempires;501213]Naveed Tajammal [/UOTE]
In which newspaper was this article published? From where you got it?

It was a sad affair reading a news report, that Asfandyar Wali and Hoti, the CM of K-P, will be holding a festival in New York, on 15 may 2010,to celebrate the renaming of NWFP

This will be the greatest **** if they are doing so. First of all the Name which they got for the province was never an option given by them. Secondly it's not an achievement that needs to be celebrated?

and the 2nd Bacha Jan peace conference,(Bacha Jan being, Ghaffar Khan, grandfather of Asfandyar).

WOW, Bacha Khan peace conference in New York? While the Pakhtun lands are on fire. Going further, the corrupt govt should start thinking to do something about the upcoming flood threats.

The chief guest to grace this uspicious bench mark in the redshirt history is to be Sonia Gandhi, who heads the Congress party of INDIA, The same India, which has encircled us with defence pacts, and strangulated our water resources, it seems the renaming has brought out the true colours of the ANP band.

Leave aside the random thoughts what India did to the defence pacts or water. What does Sonia Gandhi have to do anything logically with it? I mean both things, Bacha Khan peace conference or the changed name of the province?? Sonia Gandhi has no stake here in Pakhtun lands neither Pahtuns have a stake in India?

What amazes one is the audacity of this band of recent immigrants in our lands as will be explained, who are claiming divinity over the majority of non-Pathan population of old NWFP.

Leave the divinity and Majority Non-Pathan Population.
The problems of both Pakhtun and Non Pakhtun Population of KPK are all the same. Both the parties want employment, merit to be uplifted and security.

A peep and a brief prelude on the workings and role of the founding father of this party, is a must for an average reader, only then can most comprehend the designs of old red shirts, and the new redcap party, it is true that ANP did manage to grab a few seats of the total 125 seats of old NWFP. However in reality it was a staged managed affair, to propel a secular minded party, from the shadows to the limelight, never mind what destruction it would bring, Games being games, played by players who call the shots for the time being, to serve their own vested ends.

Whether it's staged or not, leave it. Whether the establishment wanted ANP is power or not, leave it. ANP is today in govt and they should try to do something for the Pakhtuns and the province.
Unfortunately Asfandyar Wali Khan should think about it as 'Dier di nan kharab pa pukhtano ki position day' and 'Nationalyaan sho toba gaar da Nationalyano'

Secessionists; the ANP band has always been, from day one, but first see the pious intentions of the God father of this band, the grand parent of Asfandyar Wali, Rajmohan Gandhi, published a book on ”Ghaffar Khan” in 2004,based on various interviews which he had taken of Ghaffar Khan, the Bacha jan, on page 8, of the above cited book the author states, quoting Ghaffar Khan ”I have one great desire, i want to knit ,the divided tribes of Pakhtuns, spread out from Baluchistan to Chitral, into one community………..”

This isn't a crime. The writer just in a span of criticizing ANP crossed the line. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was a Pakhtun Nationalist after all. And yes his philosphy about serving humanity is all clear. The Khdaikhidmatgaars, didn't ask for somebody's religion or blood before helping them. Did they?

A noble cause indeed, but what of those unfortunate people who have lived in the old NWFP since thousands of years, prior to the coming of first wave of Pathans, in the same area, whose ancestors had given refuge to these wandering tribes pushed out, from west of the present Durand line ??? only 500 years back, in the east 500 years is not of any vintage, however with the passage of time this lot had mixed up with old, residents of the region in 1849 jumped in the British, and from 1855 onward they opened our borders to wave after wave of new immigrants, the Britt’s had their own ulterior motives behind this move, so this new class of Pashtuns came to Punjab, as till 1901, the present NWFP was the Punjab, just to highlight the magnitude of immigrants, only in the old Peshawar district which was, Peshawar, Charsadda, Swabi, Mardan and Nowsehra-the number of immigrants the Pashto speakers between 1881-1931, were 249,347, or quarter a million.
It is this lot which has spearheaded the ANP move,it is they, who have relations across the borders, not the first lots, which came 500 years back that too in waves till 1600’s,as the Khyber pass opened up, as a trade route !!! And why did Ghaffar Khan get himself buried in Jalalabad, in the old family grave yard ???

Who lived in my village 500 years back isn't something valuable today. Who is living here today. As Ghani Khan said, What Pakhtun was a thousand years back should not be the point of discussion. And moreover, ANP should not forget any Non-Pakhtun living in KPK as they also share the same problems and their problems should also be addressed. It was his personal Family's graveyard and it was his own opinion. Should not in any way be concerned.

Now addressing the linguistic issue, the languages from north to south of old NWFP.
Are, Wakhani, Besh-Gali, Wai-Ali, Pashai, Dardic, Khowari (Chitrali), Shini, Kohistani, Hindkohi, Tanauli, Awankari of Kohat, Dhundi-Karali of Abbottabad, Khetrani/Saraiki of DI KHAN, and Muluki of Bannu, Ormuri had been the language of whole Waziristan, again a name awarded to this region by the British, Diri was spoken in DIR, before the influx of Pathans.
Now we revert back to the desire of Ghaffar Khan to unite the Pathan tribes and how so.
D.G. Tendulkar, writes in his book,” Abdul Ghaffar Khan”, 1967. Bombay print, page-518,” Abdul Ghaffar Khan, wanted the frontier area to become a part of India (post 947) having failed in that venture, he demanded a separate province in Pakistan, where he wanted to be a king, having failed here too, now, he wanted to make frontier region a part of Afghanistan”.
In 1930 after the round table conference, Ghaffar Khan had given a proposal to the new King of Afghanistan Nadir Shah,( who had usurped the throne from, Habibullah Kalakhani, miscalled Bacha Saqa), that soon, the British empire will be divided in two parts, in anticipation of which, Afghan government, should approach the British, to let the Pathans of NWFP choose, the state which they wanted to join, the choice given was two aspects only then, Afghanistan or India, this was between 1931-34. The British wanted time, however again between, 1943-1946, it was a hot issue, between Afghans and British. Ghaffar Khan being the instigator, King Zahir Shah and Ghaffar Khan now proposed to the British the following options;
o Formation of an independent Pathan state.
o Accession to Afghanistan, India and lastly Pakistan.
When British did not heed to his demands, Ghaffar Khan joined, the congress party, Nehru and Gandhi became his mentors at large, with it arose the slogan of undivided India independence, meanwhile, they threw a bone to Zahir Shah too, the congress agreed to give him, in connivance with Ghaffar Khan, Karachi port as a personal fief.
Read what Wali khan has to say in his book ”facts are facts” defining the ideology of Pakistan, pages -204-5,”hindus and Muslims, for centuries had lived together,…a part of India was given a different name….”,Today in the shoes of Ghaffar Khan stands, Asfandyar, Sonia carries the Gandhi name, and the mantle of Nehru dynasty, the old band lives(Ghaffar, Gandhi and Nehru) and Karazia represents Zahir Shah, it is the first long awaited step they celebrate on 15 may 2010 in NEW YORK and why not Delhi.

Not the issue, Point less. Again, which is the language widely spoken today in KPK? It's Pakhtu? And the major inhabitants are Pakhtuns that doesn't mean that other ethnic groups should be targetted and should not be granted with their due rights.
Ghaffar Khan whatever his ideas were before the formation of Pakistan, after the birth of Pakistan it is crystal clear that he demanded an autonomous Pakhtun Province within the boundaries of Pakistan.
Today, ANP instead of doing anything else should address the real problems of KPK. Anything else they do they will be regarded as criminals in history.

[RanadahRanadah]

[QUOTE=Shehbaz Khan;501343]

Naveed Tajammal [/UOTE]
In which newspaper was this article published? From where you got it?



This will be the greatest **** if they are doing so. First of all the Name which they got for the province was never an option given by them. Secondly it's not an achievement that needs to be celebrated?



WOW, Bacha Khan peace conference in New York? While the Pakhtun lands are on fire. Going further, the corrupt govt should start thinking to do something about the upcoming flood threats.



Leave aside the random thoughts what India did to the defence pacts or water. What does Sonia Gandhi have to do anything logically with it? I mean both things, Bacha Khan peace conference or the changed name of the province?? Sonia Gandhi has no stake here in Pakhtun lands neither Pahtuns have a stake in India?



Leave the divinity and Majority Non-Pathan Population.
The problems of both Pakhtun and Non Pakhtun Population of KPK are all the same. Both the parties want employment, merit to be uplifted and security.



Whether it's staged or not, leave it. Whether the establishment wanted ANP is power or not, leave it. ANP is today in govt and they should try to do something for the Pakhtuns and the province.
Unfortunately Asfandyar Wali Khan should think about it as 'Dier di nan kharab pa pukhtano ki position day' and 'Nationalyaan sho toba gaar da Nationalyano'


This isn't a crime. The writer just in a span of criticizing ANP crossed the line. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was a Pakhtun Nationalist after all. And yes his philosphy about serving humanity is all clear. The Khdaikhidmatgaars, didn't ask for somebody's religion or blood before helping them. Did they?




Who lived in my village 500 years back isn't something valuable today. Who is living here today. As Ghani Khan said, What Pakhtun was a thousand years back should not be the point of discussion. And moreover, ANP should not forget any Non-Pakhtun living in KPK as they also share the same problems and their problems should also be addressed. It was his personal Family's graveyard and it was his own opinion. Should not in any way be concerned.




Not the issue, Point less. Again, which is the language widely spoken today in KPK? It's Pakhtu? And the major inhabitants are Pakhtuns that doesn't mean that other ethnic groups should be targetted and should not be granted with their due rights.
Ghaffar Khan whatever his ideas were before the formation of Pakistan, after the birth of Pakistan it is crystal clear that he demanded an autonomous Pakhtun Province within the boundaries of Pakistan.
Today, ANP instead of doing anything else should address the real problems of KPK. Anything else they do they will be regarded as criminals in history.

All other people in Pashtons/Afghan lands must have equal rights and opportunities!

[RanadahRanadah]

Ghaffar Khan whatever his ideas were before the formation of Pakistan, after the birth of Pakistan it is crystal clear that he demanded an autonomous Pakhtun Province within the boundaries of Pakistan.? Are you aganist this or pro this ?

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ That's exactly what I said.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Ghaffar Khan whatever his ideas were before the formation of Pakistan, after the birth of Pakistan it is crystal clear that he demanded an autonomous Pakhtun Province within the boundaries of Pakistan.? Are you aganist this or pro this ?

Means? Couldn't understand your question?

[RanadahRanadah]

Are you pro Pashtons/Afghans unity?

[graveyardofempires]

he is against it

[RanadahRanadah]

Thank you. He need correctional education!

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Any school you can refer me to.

I wanted to counter the writer of the article. Who said things about Abdul Ghaffar Khan.