Kayani rejects US demand for action in N Waziristan: report

[unknownprince]

It seems Parsibans like Daruish here, will love war to continue on Pashtun lands. He's hoping for it to expand do FATA (outside the already drones)

How would they like it, if war goes to them (Parsibans)?


Tajikistan already has banned children under 18 from attending mastoids. It's an official law, and violaters will/can be prosecuted.

This attitude they have will never be forgiven.

They should have known better then to support war against their fellow country men.

The US is leaving.

[Daruish]

^^^

Even if ISAF goes to FATA, that doesn't do anything. As the Taliban still controls swaps of land all over Afghanistan.

Entering FATA will only give them more recruits, and legitimaze their movement.


I think ISAF should go to Persia, as those Parsibans are the real threat.

Good question, why don't ISAF goes to Persia? Why is it that Brits, Russians, Americans, etc are killing Pashton alone. Why not others? Why not make a reality where we would not need to demonize others? Why not go about things rationally and logically as opposed to the age old emotional ways that has condemned Pashton to the bombardment of just about everyone?

FYI: Taliban kill more Pashtons and Pashton babies than Americans. It’s statistically proven.

[unknownprince]

Thats not true, and in fact makes no sense at all, especially when US has conducted over 50,000 airstrikes alone this year (yeah I know you are happy).

Its good how you reveal how much hate you have for Afghans- it is good.

Please continue

[KingKhan]

Good question, why don't ISAF goes to Persia? Why is it that Brits, Russians, Americans, etc are killing Pashton alone. Why not others? Why not make a reality where we would not need to demonize others? Why not go about things rationally and logically as opposed to the age old emotional ways that has condemned Pashton to the bombardment of just about everyone?

FYI: Taliban kill more Pashtons and Pashton babies than Americans. It’s statistically proven.

Its because Parsibans, are real good Chaplosh's to whoever walks over their land. Anybody bigger then them, and they will throw in white towel and help them in whatever the invader wants to do. It's the facts.

Thats the truth.


Your second statement is very good emotional blackmailing.

[Daruish]

It seems Parsibans like Daruish here, will love war to continue on Pashtun lands. He's hoping for it to expand do FATA (outside the already drones)

How would they like it, if war goes to them (Parsibans)?


Tajikistan already has banned children under 18 from attending mastoids. It's an official law, and violaters will/can be prosecuted.

Yo completely misunderstood me, or you want to misquote me.
US did not invade Afghanistan because of Parsiwan or people like me. US invaded Afghanistan because of people like you- Taliban. Remember when the ISI weapons and Saudi money was flowing in the terms Pashton and Taliban had become synonymous? Remember how terrorists from all over the world was unleashed all over non Pashton Afghans? Remember how the only construction in Afghanistan was the construction of monkey bars? Do you remember? Well Sonny Boy, you sow what you reap. Taliban was the reason. Taliban are the reason. You want the violence stopped? Go after the Talibs.

[Daruish]

Thats not true, and in fact makes no sense at all, especially when US has conducted over 50,000 airstrikes alone this year (yeah I know you are happy).

Its good how you reveal how much hate you have for Afghans- it is good.

Please continue

So let me get this right? You apparently are concerned for deaths of 100s of Afghans and you want it stopped right? But in absence of US 100s of thousands will most likely die in civil war, 1 000 000s will either starve or be on the edge of starvation.

And what then? Have you actually thought of anything past your dislike for the US? Any future scenarios? plans?
Today we are in the same situation as we were in the end of 80s. We were only concerned with the departure of the Russians and were in no mood to join Dr. Najeeb's National Reconciliation Program. We had no plan for future. Then what happened? Civil war, starvation, malnutrition, Taliban, Terrorism etc.... a reality far far worse that shocked both Afghans and Afghanistan to their core.

I am not sick but realistic. You are blind.

ps: its not in the interest of US to bomb entire villages. Its a stupid act in this day and age. They however fire where they receive fire from. Hence its Taliban that are the cause of death in those villages and not the US. US does not bomb villages where they do not receive fire from and there are 100s of them all over the country. If Taliban want to fight then they got to stop using civilians as a shield and the civilians should also not harbor Taliban. But Pashtons always shelter Pashtons regardless of whether they are thieves, terrorists, vandals etc. Hence they get paid for it either in cash or in bombs.

[KingKhan]

Who invited Bin Laden to Afghanistan? The Parsibans like yourself. See Massoud, invited OBL.

"go after the Talibs"

Well, their are only 30K Talibs in Afghanistan, and less then 10K in Waziristan. So you wanting an invasion to Waziristan is another front to killing more Pasntuns.

"You want the fighting to stop?"

Go after the corrupt politicians, and unprofessional police/Armt force you Chaplosh's created.

[unknownprince]

Yo completely misunderstood me, or you want to misquote me.
US did not invade Afghanistan because of Parsiwan or people like me. US invaded Afghanistan because of people like you- Taliban. Remember when the ISI weapons and Saudi money was flowing in the terms Pashton and Taliban had become synonymous? Remember how terrorists from all over the world was unleashed all over non Pashton Afghans? Remember how the only construction in Afghanistan was the construction of monkey bars? Do you remember? Well Sonny Boy, you sow what you reap. Taliban was the reason. Taliban are the reason. You want the violence stopped? Go after the Talibs.

LOL, their wars are all over the world. They have been at war with everyone.

Nice try. Now, lets get to the Osama issue which in fact is a non-issue. It was Ahmad Shah Masood who invited Osama to Afghanistan, so by your flawed logic, it was your people who are responsible for the war on Afghans.

BUT, don't worry, that was never the reason behind Afghan war or Iraq wars.

If you want to talk about terrorism, the US is behind most of the terrorist attacks plaguing the region, especially Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Even Hamid Karzai has given press statements revealing that American Blackwater is behind the terrorist attacks on Afghan people. The war itself is a war of terror being imposed on the Afghan people.

There is no justification for this war or any war started by the US.

They have been interfering in the Muslim world for far too long, and their game is over.

Their foreign policy think-tanks are the biggest supporters and backers of state sponsored terrorism.

The destruction of American foreign policy is evident.

where will the Salangis, Karzais, Daud Dauds run?

Oh, I forgot, I meant the late Daud Daud.

[unknownprince]

. US does not bomb villages where they do not receive fire from and there are 100s of them all over the country. If Taliban want to fight then they got to stop using civilians as a shield and the civilians should also not harbor Taliban. But Pashtons always shelter Pashtons regardless of whether they are thieves, terrorists, vandals etc. Hence they get paid for it either in cash or in bombs.

And here you are supporting war against Afghans.

You know, its all tough for you to speak here, but Salangi was hiding under a table like a rat just few days ago.

Ahh, with coward thug warlords like this, Im sure they will run with the foreigners. I would not stay if I were them.

[Daruish]

Its because Parsibans, are real good Chaplosh's to whoever walks over their land. Anybody bigger then them, and they will throw in white towel and help them in whatever the invader wants to do. It's the facts.

Thats the truth.


Your second statement is very good emotional blackmailing.

Typical emotive racist response. call it Chapalosi but the current realities of Pashtons where mothers and babies sleep hungry at nights, and men strapping bombs to their heads or bicycles have long passed the signposts of dignity and honor that you are talking.
The history lesson that we Parsiwans have learnt is that- its next to impossible for an economically poor but strategically rich country to be free or stay free. You were not free in past 150 years. You were broken in half and divided. And then your divided lot got further divided into ikhwanis, commies, Talibs, nationalists, Pakistani patriotic, and so on and so forth. And you call this freedom?

I prefer Nato over Pakistan or Iran just as I prefer living in America over Pakistan and Iran.

You want freedom? Build an economy.

[unknownprince]

The current reality of Afghans is that they are gaining back the independence of the country founded by Ahmad Shah Abdali (READ), and that their freedom is approaching.

Now, it needs the help of all people. Western educated Afghans should only go back to help rebuild the country, not to make money and cheat the people, and impose corruption and war like they have.

The Afghans reality is becoming true, and they will prosper.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

they will not do this operation because they know they will be beaten.

Not quite. The Haqqani Network is one of the few remaining groups left that do not target the Pakistani army. There are also contacts between ISI personnel and senior level leaders of the Haqqani Network. That is why when recently, a roadside bomb killed a bunch of Pakistani soldiers near Waanra, the North Waziristan groups unanimously condemned the incident. Similarly, only a little more than a month ago, CIA agents informed the Pakistani army about attacking two bomb-making factories in North Waziristan. Within minutes, the complex was vacated and the bomb-makers inside escaped.

Moreover, there have been two high-level incidents in which the Pakistanis have offered to bring the Haqqanis to Afghan peace-talks. One of them was during the Stanley McChrystal incident, after which Pasha (the ISI chief) and Gilani went to Kabul and offered to bring the Haqqanis to the table.

Now the last thing the Pakistanis want to do is to alienate one of the last remaining groups that considers them as the two-faced infidels that they are. That's why, like I've said a dozen times before, the Pakistani army will never go into North Waziristan.

So on one hand, this army bombs into shreds entire villages to show the world how committed it is to the fight against terrorism and then it maintains backhand dealings with the groups that give Kayani and Pasha room to sit in their laps. There are Pashtuns nowadays who, despite knowing all of this, support the army and whatever it's doing. That's our greatest misfortune.

[unknownprince]

Not quite. The Haqqani Network is one of the few remaining groups left that do not target the Pakistani army. There are also contacts between ISI personnel and senior level leaders of the Haqqani Network. That is why when recently, a roadside bomb killed a bunch of Pakistani soldiers near Waanra, the North Waziristan groups unanimously condemned the incident. Similarly, only a little more than a month ago, CIA agents informed the Pakistani army about attacking two bomb-making factories in North Waziristan. Within minutes, the complex was vacated and the bomb-makers inside escaped.

Moreover, there have been two high-level incidents in which the Pakistanis have offered to bring the Haqqanis to Afghan peace-talks. One of them was during the Stanley McChrystal incident, after which Pasha (the ISI chief) and Gilani went to Kabul and offered to bring the Haqqanis to the table.

Now the last thing the Pakistanis want to do is to alienate one of the last remaining groups that considers them as the two-faced infidels that they are. That's why, like I've said a dozen times before, the Pakistani army will never go into North Waziristan.

So on one hand, this army bombs into shreds entire villages to show the world how committed it is to the fight against terrorism and then it maintains backhand dealings with the groups that give Kayani and Pasha room to sit in their laps. There are Pashtuns nowadays who, despite knowing all of this, support the army and whatever it's doing. That's our greatest misfortune.

what exactly is your point? Pakistan started the war with Pashtuns first, not the other way around. In fact, at the behest of the US, they started a war against Waziristan. Look at the consequences.

There also those very few who support the US war against Afghanistan. That is the misfortune, greater than even what you mentioned. I doubt that many Pashtuns support Pakistan out of love.

What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar - Indian Punchline

In a recent report by MK Bhadrakumar (as well as the words of Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai), the Taliban, under Omar Hotak, offered peace if the US leaves Afghanistan. Even alleged ties to 'terrorists' were done with.

However, the US wanted permanent access to three bases in Afghanistan. That was all it was about. they want to permanently occupy the country.

The Taliban refused as would be expected, and so Obama escalated the war. Look, no one in the region wants the US there, and the region will get their way.

This WAS what it was about.

[unknownprince]

I might add those talks that MK Bhadrakumar and Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai mention were at the request of the US, not the other way around.

An important point I forgot to include.

[r3alist]

on the one hand pakistan is supporting the taliban.

on the other hand pakistan is killing pashtuns.


this is called being in a mess.