They hate us

[KingKhan]

there is no such thing as blind hatred, hatred is blind and intolerance is everywhere. Racial/ethnic prejudice, superiority all this is hatred and you will find it everywhere among muslims

What has western Muslims done to ther western counter-parts, to have them go online and post such stupidity?

[Talal]

What has western Muslims done to ther western counter-parts, to have them go online and post such stupidity?

we are different, they don't understand and we both feel threatened by each other's beliefs.

But that isn't the only way to live life..should i start cursing everyone here cuz they keep cursing at me, calling me napaki or that they call jinnah a dog or whatever..you have to learn to let go of this cycle of hate at one point and attempt to look at the reasons behind it

[unknownprince]

Ashraf

Why did you edit your original post?

Grammar, and I think I said that the world would be better off without these people.

A little too extreme of a statement.

I think the world will be better off without them in power, so its good that their economies are getting destroyed. they wont be able to kill children.

[Toramana]

This forum has accomplished the exact opposite of what it had originally been establsihed for according to its founders i.e., deepening the disunity and fanning extremist sentiments.

On the point of hatred and colonalization, a biased view always result in one-sided interpretation/presentation of history here. I think these were Arab first to impose Islam and Arab Culture by sword. Imposing jazya, the special tax on dhimis i.e., non-Muslims and taking the wives, daughters, and sisters of fallen enemies as cancubines were things Arabs gave divine sanctity to not to mention the 800 years of the colonialization of Spain and 1000 years of that of India.

It is said that so many non-Muslims were taken as slaves by Mahmoud of Ghazna and sent to slave market in Boukhara and Samarkand for trading that it lead to slave surpless and inflation. A large number of hindus were killed in Hindukash so the name Hindukush (Hindus-killers).

Why not mention the the whole-scale butchery of Muslims at the hands of Muslims e.g., 3 million Bangalis killed by the Puno army of Pakistan in 1971, Baluchis being killed now, Kurds killed by Arabs and Turks, etc.

[unknownprince]

http://theweek.com/article/index/217583/the-oslo-massacre-norways-anti-muslim-terrorist-attack

[unknownprince]

The Oslo massacre: Norway's anti-Muslim terrorist attack

The perpetrator of Oslo's twin massacres isn't an Islamist, as many suspected, but a homegrown extremist looking to strike a blow against Islam

posted on July 25, 2011, at 10:32 AM

Anders Behring Breivik was reportedly angry about the rise of multiculturalism in Norway, which led to Friday's deadly double attacks in Oslo. Photo: REUTERS/Scanpix Sweden/ SEE ALL 58 PHOTOS


Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik was formally charged Monday for back-to-back attacks in Norway that killed at least 93 people. Several news outlets had speculated that al Qaeda was behind the Friday bombing of a government building in downtown Oslo and shooting spree at a youth camp on the island of Utoya. But investigators say Breivik, who has confessed to the crimes, is driven not by sympathy for Islamists, but hatred of them. Here, a brief guide to the extremist, anti-Muslim tide that is rising in Norway and elsewhere in Europe:

Who is Anders Behring Breivik?
He's a 32-year-old nationalist angered by the rise of multiculturalism in Norway. In a 1,500-page manifesto posted online — under the pseudonym Andrew Berwick — hours before the attacks, he vents his rage against "cultural Marxism," Islam, and feminism in Europe. Investigators say Breivik had planned Friday's attacks for years, hoping to use them as a declaration of war against the "Islamization of Western Europe."

Is he just an isolated extremist?
No, Breivik's xenophobia is shared by extreme-right activists and politicians across the region. His anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant manifesto echoes "a sentiment you find in all European countries," said Thomas Hegghammer, of the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment in Oslo, as quoted in The Wall Street Journal. From Sweden to Italy, populist politicians have gained newfound power by lashing out against Muslim immigrants, whom they say cause crime and unemployment while rejecting Western values.

How bad is Norway's immigration problem?
Not bad at all. It welcomes far fewer immigrants than many other European countries. Though the conservative, populist Progress Party, which takes a hard line on any immigration, has doubled its membership in recent years, Norway still doesn't have a mainstream far-right political party, unlike other Scandinavian countries. And thanks in part to its oil wealth — Norway has a sovereign wealth fund worth $112,000 per citizen — Norway is one of the world's richest countries, with high wages and only 3.4 percent unemployment.

Is Breivik a member of the Progress Party?
He was, until 2007. In his manifesto, Breivik praises the Progress Party as "the only major political party in Norway that has voiced any serious opposition to the madness of Muslim immigration." (Progress Party officials harshly condemned the attacks, calling them "horrible and cowardly.") These days, Breivik says his only allegiance is as a "Justiciar Knight" in a re-founded Knights Templar group, the pan-European "Conservative Revolutionary Movements in Europe."

What did he allegedly hope to accomplish?
The manifesto says the group's purpose is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda." It advocates attacks against "traitors" — the youth camp where the massacre occurred was an annual gathering of young members of the liberal Labor Party. Breivik apparently believes that people with pro-immigrant politics are helping Muslims take over Europe. Breivik's lawyer, Geir Lippestad, says his client has "admitted his guilt to the actual facts," and has called his own actions "atrocious" but "necessary." Lippestad said Breivik was going to explain further in court, but the judge held a closed-door hearing to deny him the public platform he wanted.

[MostafaM]

Every idea (ideology) that separates mankind in "us" and "them" uses the tools of fear and hate to rally masses around them......with a demagogue leading....

How many times have people been called "Communist", "Kafir" or "Traitor" by you, Ashraf?

Doesn´t Islam divide the world into the "House of War" (Dar-ul Harb) and "House of Peace" (Dar-ul Islam), a different form of "them" and "us".......

[unknownprince]

these cowards who kill children, women, and elderly, and run from the battles, need to leave Muslims alone. For too long, have they been at war with the Muslim world. It took a slave minded president to truly expose their deep hatred for Muslims, and towards the fact that Muslims have most of the oil and resources in the world.

[Toramana]

these cowards who kill children, women, and elderly, and run from the battles, need to leave Muslims alone. For too long, have they been at war with the Muslim world. It took a slave minded president to truly expose their deep hatred for Muslims, and towards the fact that Muslims have most of the oil and resources in the world.

Again, if you put the glasses of fanaticism off your eyes, you will find that Muslims have unfortuntely perpetrated such crimes more frequently in modern history e.g., Hazara massacre at the hands of Taleban savages, the genocide of Christian minority at the hand of Muslim Arabs in Sudan, etc. In 1971, the first night that the Muslim Punjo army launched military operation, 10000 Bangalis were killed. Many were Hindo Bangalis.

Hindus were the special target.

[graveyardofempires]

Kingkhan your thread is totally fine
these people who make excuses for the killers of muslims ,people such as Toraman who is a blatant liar Dezahrojam who even defend american soldiers who rape and murder afghans.
these peoples feel something up their spine when you talk about muslims being oppressed and killed.
Toramana like all the Islamophobes will bring the info from Pamela Giller type of website with the same biased article about Sudan.
the funny thing is this guy actually thinks he is representing Pashtuns liberation etc from pakistan while at the same time he has everything in common with pakistan.
here abpve he says "massacre of hazaras at the hand of savage taliban" he has no proof that such htings happen,his info come from liars.
the onbes wbho killed and oppressed hazaras were actually before taliban masood and sayaf.
he talks about christians in muslim countries like the types of anti muslims do to support the killing and massacre of muslims.
he says muslims are bad but turns a blind eye to one million muslims killed in Iraq by thie christian called BUSH.Here he acts as if he cares about Bengalis while he doesnt care about muslim pashtuns yet callign himself a Pashtun.
now its clear this filthy character can never be close to being a Pashtun ,he lacks sense of justice and humanity.He is a dog barking at an elephant.

and Mostafa1919 is here with a false id.

[Master Khan]

dude who cares what they said, I don't give a dame.
I just mind my own busniess and pray 5 times a day and fast.
if they got problem with me then they can just came up to me and said it..but they don't so forget about it.

[Master Khan]

Again, if you put the glasses of fanaticism off your eyes, you will find that Muslims have unfortuntely perpetrated such crimes more frequently in modern history e.g., Hazara massacre at the hands of Taleban savages, the genocide of Christian minority at the hand of Muslim Arabs in Sudan, etc. In 1971, the first night that the Muslim Punjo army launched military operation, 10000 Bangalis were killed. Many were Hindo Bangalis.

Hindus were the special target.

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[graveyardofempires]

dude who cares what they said, I don't give a dame.
I just mind my own busniess and pray 5 times a day and fast.
if they got problem with me then they can just came up to me and said it..but they don't so forget about it.

matter of fact many can be bots trying to create perception.

[Master Khan]

matter of fact many can be bots trying to create perception.

What have these Muslim haters did to us in UK, EDL came and want..nothing happens instead we Muslims knock them out.

[graveyardofempires]

What have these Muslim haters did to us in UK, EDL came and want..nothing happens instead we Muslims knock them out.

Toramana is not pleased