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  • #46
    Originally posted by salam View Post
    The people of Afghanistan as a whole are not secular alhamdulillah. You fall in those only 20% secularists.
    in Afghanistan?

    keep dreaming
    they arent even 4%

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    • #47
      Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
      in Afghanistan?

      keep dreaming
      they arent even 4%
      Ahan that very good to hear...
      I don't know why then a few secularists trying to represent Afghans.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by salam View Post
        Ahan that very good to hear...
        I don't know why then a few secularists trying to represent Afghans.
        who told you this?
        Afghanistan is the only stronghold of muslims as it is the unconquered and impossible to subdue land.No one in Afghanistan can dare to deny the rights of muslims as they do in pakistan and else where.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by torkham View Post
          shebaz, this man is revered, he is idealised - something i think should not be done for any man, baba-i-kom, quaid-e-azam. unfortunately his faults, his britishness is against him. and part of his legacy is still remnant in pakistan panjab culture. social status of english language, english legal system, english practices, amonst others. your politicians still speak to people in english when i assume over 70% pakistani cannot understand the english spoken in islamabad parlaiment - why - i think though a english worship mentality.

          a national hero must, in my opinion have some ideals/values/contributions that outweigh any negative features and flaws.

          i am sure you have other people in pakistan who deserve great titles than jinnah.

          in short - drop england, english language as a social status, and drop anyone who is english chaplousi.
          Attacking Jinnah is not just attacking some dead man.

          As Torkham has correctly pointed out Jinnah represents, symbolizes an idealized form of Pakistan, e.g. the "saviour of Indian/South Asian Muslims".

          We read lines on Pakistani nationalist forums such as "Thank goodness for Jinnah otherwise we would be like Muslims in Gujarat" (Though Zakir Naik, one of the world's most active propagators of Islam resides and works in India).

          A few years ago a British Punjabi, a so-called "Jihadist", had a youtube channel (subsequently banned) where he listed amongst other things the fact that Jinnah was one of his heroes as he gave Muslims "Pakistan". This "Jihadist"/Takfeeri was raised upon a diet of Punjabiyat and also hated Bangladesh and Bengalis. His hypocrisy was that the actual Arab "jihadists" without the prejudice of Pakistani/Punjabi education and racism would detest Jinnah and even say he deserve to be killed.

          The point is the image and symbol of Jinnah is part of the mythology which fuels Pakistani-Punjabi nationalism.

          Jinnah was not a Muslim hero but an ethnic nationalist who was anti-Muslim e.g. he betrayed Muslims in East Bengal, the largest concentration of Muslims in South Asia who wanted a separate Muslim-majority East Bengal free from Hindu tyranny.

          Jinnah was also responsible for East Pakistan being smaller than it should have been with the ruler of Tripura (east of Bangladesh) wanting to join th new state.

          These are important points which will be expanded on.

          However for the time being anti-Pashtun troll and "Pathan", Shehbaz Khan is using the "don't attack a dead man" card cynically to defend his hero. However Pakistani nationalists and "Pathans" wouldn't think twice of insulting Mujib.

          The fact that anti-Pashtun troll Shehbaz Khan is unable to provide an intellectully meaningful response to Yaggi is proof that he has nothing to say or defend British-agent, Ali Jinnah.



          British agent Ali Jinnah, with the first governor of Pakistani Punjab, Francis Mudie.
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          • #50
            bengali wror the truth is that if jinah was struggling for muslim freedome and created an islamic state why would he apoint francis Mudie as a governer of Panjab?Sir Robert Francis Mudie
            KCSI, KCIE, OBEGovernor of SindhIn office
            January 15, 1946 – August 13, 1947Preceded bySir Hugh DowSucceeded byShaikh G.H. HidayatullahGovernor of West PunjabIn office
            August 15, 1947 – August 2, 1949Appointed byJinnah, Governor-General of PakistanPreceded bynoneSucceeded bySardar Abdur Rab NishtarPersonal detailsBornAugust 24, 1890 (1890-08-24)
            Broughty Ferry, ScotlandDiedSeptember 15, 1976 (1976-09-16) (aged 87)
            Broughty Ferry, ScotlandNickname(s)FrankSir Robert Francis Mudie

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            • #51
              Afghan wrora check the dates properly. These british governers are on their post before 14th august 1947.
              [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                Afghan wrora check the dates properly. These british governers are on their post before 14th august 1947.
                na wrora it was before and after . August 15, 1947 – August 2, 1949Appointed by Mr. jinah.

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                • #53
                  Jinnah himself rejected appointment of lord mount beton as governer general as he wanted the post for himself, making the excuse that pakistan is an independant country and its muslims want him to be on this seat. And in punjab he appointed a british as governer....jinnah was a man after power and position. His muslim league consist of nawabs, wadairas and other landlords, who exploited sentiments of ordinary folks.
                  [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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                  • #54
                    political satire...the other side

                    Last edited by Yaggi; 01-23-2016, 01:36 AM.

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                      • #56
                        dun know much about him

                        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                            Last edited by Yaggi; 01-23-2016, 01:36 AM.

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                              Last edited by Yaggi; 01-23-2016, 01:36 AM.

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                                Last edited by Yaggi; 01-23-2016, 01:37 AM.

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