'Hitler (Very) Famous Amongst Afghans'

[randolph85]

that would make sense, except for the fact that nazi germany and its allies were imperialists. from italy in africa to japan in china and the pacific. and that the death of hitler would have no major effect on the nazi government of germany, as he would of just been replaced by another hitler.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Stalin himself was of a Muslim background, although he did not practice any religion. At the same time, the characterizations of such people like Hitler and Stalin are given to us by US/Western history texts. The thoughts we have of them are reinforced by propaganda films.

no he wasn't he was Georgian and was originally studying to be an Orthodox Priest.

while he killed many people who did not agree with him, the perception of him being "monstrous" is fed to us by US/Western texts.
I would fully support the deportations of "Americans" out of Amrica (Amrid Khan) by whatever method whether it be putting them on ships, plains, or trains.

And also from Chechens, Central Asian Muslims, Muslims from the Qawqaz

Again, another Western concept that is repeated to such an extent that one is supposed to accept it as truth.

While I definitely agree with western sources distorting truth, it seems many cowards , especially Taliban supporters use "western" as a scapegoat for everything.

In this case it is actually false. Western sources used to white wash Stalin's crimes because he was an ally against Hitler

furthermore sources of Stalin's crimes come from Central Asian Muslims

The truth is both the British, Russians and the Americans were the biggest criminals of world war 2.

They were also criminals, but Hitler murdering 4 Million Gypsies and 6 Million Jews is criminal too. Criminals fighting each other are still criminals

Have you ever heard of something called the American crimes?

American crimes doesn't justify German crimes.

By the way GERMANS are Western sources, you're contradicting yourself

From an Afghan perspective, a German victory in World War 2 would have assured Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslim world a better scenario from the one Muslims have finally gotten out of.

horse ****, they would have turned around and made us their slaves because in their eyes, we're not the master race. If you think otherwise read Mein Kampf

Now, again, I am by no means saying that Hitler and Nazi Germany were great, but given the fact America continues to wage wars against the Afghan people and the Iraqi people, and specifically against Muslims via intervention and through support for tyrants,

If Germans had their way we'd be fighting them just as we are fighting Imperialists now.

a German victory would have been better. Germany had good relations with both Turkey and Afghanistan. Why should Afghans care about what Germans would have done to other Europeans or say Anglo-Saxon Americans? They do not care for Afghan people, but instead are waging a failed war of aggression against the Afghan people.

Yeah Germans had a policy of using Muslims, they by no means liked Muslims

German, Britain, or American, they're all just different faces of the same coin

[ScimitarXEdge]

that would make sense, except for the fact that nazi germany and its allies were imperialists. from italy in africa to japan in china and the pacific. and that the death of hitler would have no major effect on the nazi government of germany, as he would of just been replaced by another hitler.

Exactly, they would use us and then turn around and colonize us just like the Brits and French

[یاسمینه]

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no he wasn't he was Georgian and was originally studying to be an Orthodox Priest.

BTW the first quotation you refer in this post isn't mine.

[یاسمینه]

Have you ever heard of something called the American crimes?


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Yes I did and as I remember I have never said that the presence of US or NATO troops is good for Afghanistan.

[unknownprince]

Yes I did and as I remember I have never said that the presence of US or NATO troops is good for Afghanistan.

Yes, obviously everyone knows the US failed war of aggression against the Afghan people is a crime.

What I was pointing to is that the US/Western history texts give a version of history which paints them as good despite the fact they are the root cause of global instability, and are the sole barrier to world peace.

It is not proper to accept their perspectives on people such as Stalin and Hitler as bad, mad characters, and is something one should tread on lightly. By no means am I saying that Hitler and Stalin were some model example of good leaders, but I think it is problematic to trust the words of US-Western governments history when factual history shows the world that they are biggest murderers and criminals. According to them, a man who saves girls, and executes a rapist is an evil individual. According to some here, Najib, a murderer of Afghan people, was a pashtun nationalist? So one should tread lightly. Basically, if they hate someone, one should wonder why?

How can a sensible person trust the history versions of the nation who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

A sensible person can not trust their words, and therefore must restrain themselves from propagating their versions of history which is unverified.

[unknownprince]

no he wasn't he was Georgian and was originally studying to be an Orthodox Priest.

Irrelevant to the topic, I suggest you get married as soon as possible for your own sake.


You tend to use this logic that, contradict this, "you contradict yourself" thing and blah blah logical fallacy and what not. The Germans thought they were more superior to the other Europeans so much so that they thought they were the people from Atlantis, and went to some parts of Central Asia to study where their "Aryan" origins were.


Stalin had no faith. I did not say he was a Muslim, just that it is said that his family background was Georgian Muslim. This has been suggested as likely possible.

That does not mean I think he was great.

Wali Karzai was a Muslim, a munafiq.

Having a Muslim background now a days does not mean a thing especially when there are Muslim boys who objectify women all the time.

[یاسمینه]

Yes, obviously everyone knows the US failed war of aggression against the Afghan people is a crime.

What I was pointing to is that the US/Western history texts give a version of history which paints them as good despite the fact they are the root cause of global instability, and are the sole barrier to world peace.

It is not proper to accept their perspectives on people such as Stalin and Hitler as bad, mad characters, and is something one should tread on lightly. By no means am I saying that Hitler and Stalin were some model example of good leaders, but I think it is problematic to trust the words of US-Western governments history when factual history shows the world that they are biggest murderers and criminals.
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Now I can say I understand your point of view better (but i does not mean I accept it).
Im not sure if you have noticed that I am from Poland. I know the history of 2WW and later from Polish historical resources, from my family members and also from Russian books.

You probably know Hitler and Stalin from American resources only, and being an enemy of America you criticize/deny everything what comes from US/Western.

If you don't like everything what comes from USA/ Western, including interpretation of history, then why don't you look for other, maybe more reliable descriptions of Stalinism crime?
American point of view isnt the only valid one.

[unknownprince]

Now I can say I understand your point of view better (but i does not mean I accept it).
Im not sure if you have noticed that I am from Poland. I know the history of 2WW and later from Polish historical resources, from my family members and also from Russian books. You probably know Hitler and Stalin from American resources only, and being an enemy of America you criticize/deny everything what comes from US/Western.

so what flimsy statement to make? Do you equate being against the failed US war of aggression against the Afghan people as being an enemy of America? Who's America? America does not belong to Uncle Tom sitting in the White House, and nor does it belong to George Bush, or any of the other whites and blacks that illegally live in America. Nor does it belong to the Pakistanis who come and live the American dream, and nor does it belong to any Asian, Jew, Muslim who is in America. According to international law, they are all illegal immigrants.

Who's America?

No, I am a friend of Americans, the Americans that went through one of the first Holocausts in world history.


The enemies of America live in America but do not belong here just as they do not belong in Australia, New Zealand, or Canada. Now, is it clear to you, who the enemies of world peace exactly are? Do you know now? It is not a country, but a racial group of people. They are the root cause of global instability, and the barrier to global peace.

So, like I implied before, think more of the history you accept.

Polish people were the worst to Jews by the way.

[یاسمینه]

Polish people were the worst to Jews by the way.

I wouldn't say Polish people were the worst to Jews (as I know Polish people are still majority among all the people recognized as Righteous Among Nations) . But I have to admit that we had bad moments. I can't argue with history or even deny historical facts only because I don't like them. And it does not mean that I am an antisemite only because some Poles commited crimes against the Jews.
And I am not a Russophob or Germanophob either, despite very difficult historical relations with Russia or Germany.

BTW Im glad you know something about history of Poland

[AFG21]

First, please read about mass deportations (also Muslims) and resettlements of ordinary people, not state's enemies.

Second - you are right saying that Stalin didnt look at people color or nationality. He didn not reckon with the people at all!

Third - do you really think that Transsyberian Railway and other local railways can simple justify all deportations of innocently condemned people? Have you heard that many of them have been rehabilitated in 90's ?

Fourth - Have you ever heard about something called Stalinist crime?

Fifth - Please think twice before you write again about something which you have no idea.

Last one - please don't argue with me about history of my country if you are not an expert on, about history of my family, about things you have never experienced.
PERIOD

Oo you are russian than what are you doing on PASHTUN FORUMS then go back to your russian forums and do you have experienced Stalin? how old are you 90 or 100?
I can talk and discus what ever I want.

[Haris]

AFG21, who are you to say who should or should not be on these forums?
As far as I can understand this is a public community open to anyone and everyone who follow the forum rules.

Yasmeenah has every right to stay here and has benefitted the forum and the community more than yourself.

[ScimitarXEdge]

It's not kissing anyone's arse.

Look at her her threads. Decide for yourself.


You on the other hand are just a nusicance. You talk nonsense and contribute little to nothing of value here. I won't stoop down to your level of personal insults since you are probably just a confused child with no concept of what ghairat is.

She is here to learn pakhto and has posted informative posts and threads in that regard. You can talk about her country or any country as long as you back up your points with evidence and not useless nonsense. She can do the same.

Learn some manners.

Finally someone who stood up to his Nadida beswad ahmaq Afg21 ....he's the most blind sided ignorant fool on here .

A+

[یاسمینه]

AFG21
1. Im not Russian. Im Polish and currently I live in Poland.

2. My family was badly experienced by Stalin. Im not that old, Im sorry.

3. Im on this forum as a non Pashtun and that's why I do not say my opinions about Pashto/Afghanistan matters because it is not my culture and I know I do not have any right to criticize anything as long as I don't have deep knowledge on these matters. However I'd like to learn about Pashtun culture as much as I can. And I learn more than you think. Coming here I had no idea that Pasthuns can be so divided, that nationalist tendencies are so strong. The picture of Afghanistan and Pashtuns I had before I came here had been a bit idealized. It's mainly fault of my very good Pashtun friends from Afghanistan.

4. Why do I learn Pashto (btw I learn not only Pashto, I study everything what is related to Afghanistan - politics, history, geography, culture, art, literature, etnology etc...)? Because it is my choice. Because someone told me the story about Afghanistan, its struggle, war, about very hospitable people... and that this country needs every help. That's why I am here. I think that with my experience in medical researches, field studies, even in hospice care I can do something good for your country (no, I don't want to work for army etc). You may think Im silly naive. I don't care. Im adult enough to know what I want.
And know what? Few idiots won't change my plans.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Irrelevant to the topic,.

then why would you mention it?

I suggest you get married as soon as possible for your own sake

How ironic? Something completely irrelevant to the topic

why don't you strap bombs to your chest and kill a few kufar instead of whining all the time like a woman does.

Stalin had no faith. I did not say he was a Muslim, just that it is said that his family background was Georgian Muslim. This has been suggested as likely possible.

You are truly a moron

Stalin was born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (Georgian: იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი) on 18 December 1878[1] to Ketevan Geladze and Besarion Jughashvili, a cobbler, in the town of Gori, Georgia. At the age of seven, he contracted smallpox, which permanently scarred his face. At ten, he began attending church school where the Georgian children were forced to speak Russian. By the age of twelve, two horse-drawn carriage accidents left his left arm permanently damaged. At sixteen, he received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary, where he rebelled against the imperialist and religious order. Though he performed well there, he was expelled in 1899 after missing his final exams. The seminary's records suggest he was unable to pay his tuition fees.[11] The official Soviet version states that he was expelled for reading illegal literature and forming a Social Democratic study circle.[12]

Having a Muslim background now a days does not mean a thing especially when there are Muslim boys who objectify women all the time.

He didn't have a Muslim background though.......the problem is how you were trying to use that to exonerate Him and it's totally wrong