Political Party Tiiiiime

[Lemagak]

Hey folks, Im still celebrating the amazing demise of Fat-Face (like Al Capone was Scar Face) Karzai the other day. I wanted to throw a PF bash for the event. I keep playing the clip again and again where Hamida (his sister-brother Presidential hermaphrodite) jumps into the grave crying. What a joyful sight, suffering like he allowed all the rural Afghans to suffer with his charade. If someone would bottle Karzai tears, I would buy them for a zillion dollars. It was almost as exciting as last May when OBL got taken down town, but more so.

In our party we should have CAKE, Streams, and lots of powlaw.

[Shayesta]

LemaGak, on a serious note, what is that you are so ridiculously happy about? Okay, I understand if you hated Karzai and aren't saddened by his death, but wanting to celebrate it? Really? Why?

[Lemagak]

LemaGak, on a serious note, what is that you are so ridiculously happy about? Okay, I understand if you hated Karzai and aren't saddened by his death, but wanting to celebrate it? Really? Why?

Absolutely. When Been Laydown died in May, folks here didnt bat an eyelid, nor did I because these "big dawgs" are playing with the lives of common people. Its always "OK" when a Taleeb leader dies, its always "OK" when someone who really is a commoner dies... but you guys are sickening when it comes to stating the obvious: The death of this coward wataan foroosh is an amazing thing. You guys continuously make excuses for these clowns who sold our nation. Your backup excuse is always: "they were the best choice... or "they were the only choice". I wont accept that. All of em are playing with people's lives. But these guys are the absolute worst.

Because what it comes down to is each of you is brainwashed by your parents and you just project that onto these leaders. Either you got hardcore Mullah parents that project a view onto someone they think is their rep... and the Farsibaan sell out Pashtuns are exactly the same... they see Karzai and they think "thats mah daddy."

BS, leave Afghans alone to make their own decisions and to hell with all of these idiots.

And when you look at it real close, whats sick is that Karzai got put in the ground 6 foot by one of his own people... a commoner Afghan.

Thats why I celebrate Shayesta, its a victory of the common man over the upper class bozdaalaan that sit up high in their palaces. Its a square shot in the face to that establishment (literally).

It made Hamid Karzai think twice about how he sits there and cries and complains over airstrikes and now he knows what its like to here your Uncle or your relative got taken out.

[Shayesta]

^ Whether Karzai is in power or Taliban, that doesn't stop the killing of the innocent civilians and nor will the blood-shed stop after Taliban's (possibly) full control over Afghanistan. In my own family no one even thought twice about Ahmad Wali's death as they also consider him a sell-out, but they didn't feel like partying either because that isn't changing anything for Afghanistan. A change will be the long-yearned 'destruction' of real destructor of Afghanistan; Fahim, Dostum, Rabbani, Hekmatyar, etcetera. These should be the target and their death should be celebration worth as it's these people who sucked Afghan blood dry before US invasion, they are sucking dry Afghan blood now during US invasion, and after US invasion they gonna take it a step ahead. Don't celebrate 'random' people's death, work for way worse devils' destruction.

[Lemagak]

^ Whether Karzai is in power or Taliban, that doesn't stop the killing of the innocent civilians and nor will the blood-shed stop after Taliban's (possibly) full control over Afghanistan. In my own family no one even thought twice about Ahmad Wali's death as they also consider him a sell-out, but they didn't feel like partying either because that isn't changing anything for Afghanistan. A change will be the long-yearned 'destruction' of real destructor of Afghanistan; Fahim, Dostum, Rabbani, Hekmatyar, etcetera. These should be the target and their death should be celebration worth as it's these people who sucked Afghan blood dry before US invasion, they are sucking dry Afghan blood now during US invasion, and after US invasion they gonna take it a step ahead. Don't celebrate 'random' people's death, work for way worse devils' destruction.

Sure, thats why youll be celebrating when they kill Mullah Umar and announce it in a few weeks. In your heart youll be happy because to you, he represents all that you hate. You actively try to find faults in someone like him, but make excuses for Karzai. Thats a double standard. I celebrate the end of each, and Karzai a bit more since he never walked a day in the farmer's shoes and never held a gun in his life but is sustained by a hundred commoners guns (even US folks commoners).

As the US hold on AFghanistan is getting messed with I notice a huge shift. Back 10 years ago you guys were all singing about how Karzai was like Mir wais Neka returned to life. I thought what jokers, how could you even think that? The fact that he got Gul Agha Sherzai the Ariel Sharon Bulldozer guy to sit on the governship in Kandahar? Its like if someone becomes President of the US and puts Bernie Madoff in charge of NYC or Los Angelas. You think that clown would be hailed like ahero?

Now cuz the situation is spiraling out of control you are mouthing "peace and no more death.... everyone is equally bad etc" No some people are just plain worse. I may be bias but even I know that Gul Agha Sherzai is a filthier person then Zaeef, by FAR. There is no ifs ands or buts about it.

You guys are so out of touch with the average person eating dirty all day that its shocking. You brag about starting NGOs and how they are flourishing when they dont give a rats ass about your NGOs. They want to be left in peace and thats it.

But the excuse is always: "but heees the best we have." WRONG. It aint the best if its someone elses worst.

[Shayesta]

^ First of all, calm down. Second, keep your false assumptions to yourself. Third, before questioning others why they think Karzai is better than Omar, why don't you ask yourself why to you Omar is better than Karzai? If you can celebrate Karzai's death then no one Omar's death? Death isn't what Afghanistan needs, it needs negotiation between both the government and Taliban so they can sort out their hungriness for power and leave the civilians live in peace; After three decades. And about Sherzai, I am not aware of his history or what he is responsible for but yes, if Nangarhar is happy with him as the governor then I don't know what to say or why to interfere.

[Lemagak]

And then you guys talk like dreams about the ballot box as if American style democracy can translate there. You know like I do each village votes for the same dude reflexively. You preach about how peaceful ways will change the situation and how someone a fairy will descend out the skies and the heavens will open up and the Afghan people will purple up their thumb and simply vote in the most representative person and the US will up and leave and everything will end happily.

Me, girl? Im a realist. The US aint ever gonna let the Afghans have their way with that pie in the sky idea. The world dont work that way. Look at Turkey... only now after generations of Army suppressing the people do the Turks got the chance to live their own way. ANd even now the West is all about sticking its nose into their business. Aint no country in the history of the world that just up and left and said "here you go... do what ever you wanted even tho we got a whole army up in this business." Nooo, even the British left behind their dogs on the other side of the durand line.

Each time a commoner strikes a blow against the "man", especially the straw man (karzai) Im gonna applaud him cuz he gets the reality on the ground.

[lol]

he was in the wrong side .
good bless his soul , ameen.

[Lemagak]

^ First of all, calm down. Second, keep your false assumptions to yourself. Third, before questioning others why they think Karzai is better than Omar, why don't you ask yourself why to you Omar is better than Karzai? If you can celebrate Karzai's death then no one Omar's death? Death isn't what Afghanistan needs, it needs negotiation between both the government and Taliban so they can sort out their hungriness for power and leave the civilians live in peace; After three decades. And about Sherzai, I am not aware of his history or what he is responsible for but yes, if Nangarhar is happy with him as the governor then I don't know what to say or why to interfere.

What are you talkin about? Hes the Ahmad Wali Karzai of nangrahar. Go read about him. Hes a killer that used to brutalize the people and was one of the clowns that made Kandhar side with the Taliban in the first place.

Girl you got no idea about what Nangraharis want or dont want. That jerk is gaurded by even more boys than that idiot Karzai clown. What sort of dream world are you living in? Hes pissed off more Jalalabadis cuz he aint NATIVe to the area even. He was seen as a corrupt ass in Kandahar and they got him out of there so the people would calm down:

"After a short term as Minister of Urbanisation, Sherzai became Governor of Nangarhar, when his predecessor was unable to prevent the anti-American riots which followed the alleged desecration of the Quran by American soldiers in Guantanamo Prison in 2005. Patience was also running thin in the province as the ruling family led by Haji Din Mohammad had excluded rival tribesmen from the provincial government.
A close ally of the US even before the fall of the Taliban

Since 2001, Sherzai has been a close ally of the Americans, who equipped him with money and weapons to fight the Taliban."

OUtta Afghanistan Today Journal http://www.afghanistan-today.org/article/?id=93


The day they tie Omar and Karzai to a NASA engine and shoot them into space the happier Ill be. Im saying Im consistent in that way. But you would be perfectly happy with Omar getting axed and Karzai living another day cuz it benefits YOU. You look at things through your own eyes and frame the discussion in terms of what your parents brainwashed you to think.

You think the villagers in Deh Rawud think of Karzai as a puppet or Omar as a puppet? Whatever you may say Shayesta you know darned well that you pull aside Pashtuns from all walks and they may call Kharzai a puppet but even if they got the worst opinion of Omar, hes still not seen as a puppet. Only to you is he seen as a puppet. I want him dead because Im a realist and know that, although hes more closeto the grass roots, hes rousin people up with ideologies and Karzai is pumpin people up with retard ideologies of his own.

The rest of us want your kind and the taliban to get intoa boxing ring and leave the rest of us out of it. We dont want your ideologies about whats best for men, women, dogs, cats etc. We dont want your view on how computers can be given to kids and how Afghanistan is gonna be LA in 3 years.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

If I'm reading lemagaak correctly there's an advocacy for nonintervention on the part of the west and westerized emigres. She's absolutely correct that the perception of karzai versus that of mullah Omar is of a Saudi style puppet versus a home grown leader. So shayesta I'd say that's a crucial difference between karzai and Omar. In fact, look at the announcement that Shah Wali is to lead the Popalzaay. That's an imposition. Shamozyaan were never imposed khan khels until now.

[Shayesta]

^ Does Omar hold the same importance to Northern Afghanistan as to Southern? Just like how Karzai is seen as a Western puppet by Southerners, Omar is seen as a Pakistani and Saudi puppet by Northerners. North and South should be satisfied with the most appropriate 'puppet' (to say it that way), otherwise we can discuss all day long who to us personally is more or less of a puppet.

@LemaGak
Nothing about Afghan politics will benefit me because I know that that's not where I want to live, or going to live. I am not giving any view to you because you are having comfortable live here in West and got everything you don't wish for Afghans back home, I simply wish the misery for those people back home to stop. And I don't know what the villagers see as a puppet or not, but I do know that if they were enough aware of politics, they wouldn't have made the decisions they have. As for Sherzai, I was in Nangarhar just last year for several weeks and from experience I know that people of Nangarhar love him as their governor. Unless, you can prove otherwise.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Shayesta read the article cited. It shows otherwise.

[Michin Khel]

Lemagak you are drunk i think, if not then you are a very sick person. You westren pashtuns never cease to amaze me.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ Does Omar hold the same importance to Northern Afghanistan as to Southern? Just like how Karzai is seen as a Western puppet by Southerners, Omar is seen as a Pakistani and Saudi puppet by Northerners. North and South should be satisfied with the most appropriate 'puppet' (to say it that way), otherwise we can discuss all day long who to us personally is more or less of a puppet.

@LemaGak
Nothing about Afghan politics will benefit me because I know that that's not where I want to live, or going to live. I am not giving any view to you because you are having comfortable live here in West and got everything you don't wish for Afghans back home, I simply wish the misery for those people back home to stop. And I don't know what the villagers see as a puppet or not, but I do know that if they were enough aware of politics, they wouldn't have made the decisions they have. As for Sherzai, I was in Nangarhar just last year for several weeks and from experience I know that people of Nangarhar love him as their governor. Unless, you can prove otherwise.

A major difference is who left Afghanistan in their time of need as well. Omar, like any of the American revolutionaries bled for his country. The folks you support fled, lived in luxury (karzai admittedly was eating sugard almonds and drinking shnaay chai in Quetta and living in luxury bungalows in Islamabad). These same people are now back in power on the shoulders of a Western juggernaut and only able to sustain themselves because of the protection of guards from dynacorps.

It makes no sense that Omar would be able to "suppress" his people without a first rate military's support yet the find themselves perfectly capable of boggin the US down in insurgency warfare. In general the Pashtun south was satisfied with the order and lack of corruption he enforced.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...714936,00.html

"Scheuer: We're really not in a position to push these people. Who's going to replace them? There isn't anyone less corrupt. Probably the only incorrupt people in Afghanistan are the Taliban. If you want no corruption, give the government back to the Taliban."

The North also thinks of Masoud as a hero and the south looks at him as a Russian agent.

[Lemagak]

Lemagak you are drunk i think, if not then you are a very sick person. You westren pashtuns never cease to amaze me.

Being drunk and western sounds better than being infected with the disease of Pakistani citizenship