pashto status in pakistan

[afgpower]

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[Shehbaz Khan]

Qalandar Momand once told a few people (My father was sitting there) that when the Marshal Law was enforced in the country, the Governor of NWFP called him and asked him: "Alaka ta diera Pakhtu Pakhtu kawi waya wos darla Pukhtu sara sa chal wokam"

Qalandar replied: "Ji dwa kaara dier zaroori di, awal kaar da che tar lasama poori Pakhtu ba-toor-e-mazmoon lazmi hissa shi da nisab aao dwayma da che da Pakhtu dictionary nashta day, da haghi da para wasayal pakar di"

The Governor replied: Consider it done.

After a few months Governor called Qalandar and showed him a letter written and signed by the Nazim of Akora Khattak requesting the Governor, To take back his decision of making the Pakhtu compulsory as a subject. The Nazim said that it's hard for the kids and is an extra burden.

Qalandar said, that the Governor laughed and said: "Da hagha khalaq di che ta warla Pakhtu ghwari"

Qalandar took that letter from the Governor and wrote at it's back: "Nazim saib che taso pa Akori ki Pakhtu na manai nu monga pa Pakhtunkhwa ki dasi akoray aao da dasi akori khalaq na mano, Kada wakhla aao Punjab ta laar sha"

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Da di tooli khabari maqsad mi da wo che Pakhtu is forgotten, not by anyone else but by Pakhtuns themselves, it's our negligence. Many people who can speak it but are having problems in reading and writing it .. Here I must quote that The Constitution of Pakistan gives the right to every province to teach it's local language to the common masses. And the Sindhi have done it as Sindhi as a compulsory subject in Sindh til metric. I don't know about other provinces but we Pakhtuns didn't do it. Now I'd heard that the ANP govt has announced it to be the part of the curriculum til 5th Standard, but until 5th Standard won't work as the curriculum til 5th Standard is not checked by the board of education so the schools won't include it .. I don't know what is their next step but I told this to the Provincial Minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain in the past October that you guys should make it compulsory til metric.

I wrote it all because I really didn't want anyone to blame Punjab/Pakistan/ISI/Establishment for this ..


Regards

[Master Khan]

yeah thats why they are losers in Pakhtunkwa, they are stupid.

[Michin Khel]

yeah thats why they are losers in Pakhtunkwa, they are stupid.

You are calling people of pakhtunkhwa stupid and losers?

[Michin Khel]

Dear afgpower status of pashto is better in pakhtunkhwa than afghanistan. Pashto is compulsory subject in schools in pakhtunkhwa. Pashto books are mostly published in pakhtunkhwa. Pakhtunkhwa has produced more pashto singers and poets than afghanistan. Khyber tv is much better than lemar tv, rest of all tv channels in afghanistan are in dari. There are more radio channels in pakhtunkhwa than in afghanistan. Pashto films , even though they are crap, are produced in pakistan, there are no pashto film industry in afghanistan.

[afgpower]

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[Shehbaz Khan]

yeah thats why they are losers in Pakhtunkwa, they are stupid.

Master Jana Sanga e? Hela laram che kha ba ye..!!

You are not an authority in calling people losers and stupid, here you are calling a whole nation Stupid? And if I am not wrong you are from Swabi right, So you are a part of these people.

Stop calling the whole nation stupid and loser.

Da kha da che pa punjab aao ISI di pa di ki sa toar pori na kralo, Manana

[Shehbaz Khan]

I just confirmed it from my father, the Name of the Governor was Fazl-e-Haq and it was under the military rule of General Zia-ul-Haq.

[gadoonwal]

fazli haque was strong man.He did alote for the people of pashtunkhwa.
On primary level every subject taught in pashtu such as ,,,science,denyaat,pashtu,maths etc are all in pashtu except english and urdu.
After the fifth you still got one subject in pashtu till 10th.
You can do masters etc in pashtu in pashtunkhwa.
Fazli haque a pro establishment man but at least he did something good for pashtu and pashtuns.
Pashtu should be declared the officail language of pashtunkhwa and south -pashtunkhwa(baluchistan).
The anp govt is turning to urdu then pashtu.There is no need of urdu in pashtunkhwa.
It is not the govt to be blamed for everything .Why do,nt pashtuns do somthing for pashtu?why do,nt people invest in pashtu media etc?
In sind sindis is recognise and you will find many things in sindi language.It is not the case in pashtunkhwa.

[Nick]

@aab
are you serious or are you just joking?
pashto status in afghanistan is WAAAAYYYYY better than in pakistan! our language is an official language and we have in the east and south all our universities and schools in pashto. also we have a few pashto channels and radio and in afghanistan at least most non-pashtuns can speak fairly pashto. now tell me how many punjabis can speak pashto in pakistan? no hate bro just facts

Dear afgpower luffy is right in many ways I also support him the status of pashto is better in pakhtunkhwa than afghanistan but in the lower level for example all the frontier police are majority punjabi but trained fully in pashtu, second there are 35% of KP of 21 million are not pashtun (remember from our other topic discussion we lost 0.5 million hindko and 1.5 million pashtun 0.5/1.5=30%) Hindkos whom are now around 6 million people now (some say 7 million in whole of pakistan but in NWFP for sure around 6 million) then off course other 3 million smaller minorities therefore 11 million pashtuns in NWFP, 4 million in FATA also consider the fact that 2 million (some say 3 million pashtuns) live Karachi as well as another 3 million pashtuns in Balochistan. Therefore combined with Balochistan/Fata/KP/Karachi all together there are not even 20 million Pashtuns well if we assume there are also smaller number of Pashtuns in Multan, Rahulpindi, Islamabad, Kashmir Lahore well let's assume they are replaced with 3 or 5 million Afghan immigrants and are treated same like Afghans so for me regardless a pashtun from KP or Afghan from afghanistan as long as they are living in Indic majority are treated like immigrants and this is a fact you can ask even the punjabis and they will confirm this.

You see Pashto or native pashtu speakers are like 8% of Pakistan although in less than 10 years ISI census boost the 8% into 15.75% so that future arguments could made, if argued by Afghans. So just ask yourself we have 8% uzbeks were their language given any status in Samangan, and Balkh? Why not they are 8% and they are almost close to same number as Hazara although I won't be surprised since karzai is owned by rich businessman and warlord Dostam.

On the other hand Pakistan is not going to not give Pashtu any status why should they? So that once again in the future they face rise of pashtun nationalism? Again simply due to Pakistan's depashtunization policy cause if pashtuns continue to be pashtun than later their status will be important for Afghanistan. So in long run pakistan supports depashtunization and exchange islamization or then proceed into pakistanization process.

As luffy said pashtu slowly is getting you see few months the Pakistani government in NWFT for the first approved to give Pashto a compulsory subject in schools in pakhtunkhwa.

On the other hand Luffy also said Pashto books are mostly published in pakhtunkhwa. Pakhtunkhwa. Simply that's because still doesn't have much press machinery available in Pakistan or Iran. KP has produced more pashto singers and poets than afghanistan its true, Russian invasion and rise of Taliban, Afghan music boom in peshawar today as well as 1990 Peshawar became the only capital of Afghan Music that which Kharabad could ever imagine. For many of us Kharibad is death but now alive in Peshawar. Khyber tv is much better than lemar tv, simply due to large number of Pashtu speaking viewers however Khyber TV is controlled by ISI I still remember same ideology was used in other Pakistani channels. Where as Lemar TV or other Half pashtu TV have programs that are not Pashtu ie Dari programs as well.

However Luffy said there are more radio channels in pakhtunkhwa than in afghanistan which was true until 2008 but I remember many were shut down by ISI and currently not as much as it was before. Pashto films LOL don't know about them but brother luffy could be right Afghanistan is not in that level of producing pashtu films and dramas as Taliban lol will burn them lol

[Dervaish]

د پښتو باره کښ ځما معلومات ستاسو نه کم دی خو دومره راته علم شته چه يوڅو کسان زه پيژنم د پيښاور يونيورسټئ نه په پښتو کښ پی ايچ ډی دی - ډاکټر محمد همايون هما، چه د پښتو د ډيرو کتابونو مصنف هم دي او ډاکټر شاهين چه د پښتو اکيډمی پيښاور ډائيريکټره ده ـ اوډير نور هم دی چه د پښاور يونيورستئ نه ئ ماسټر ، ايم فل او پی ايچ ډی ډګرئ اخستي دی - د پيښاور يونيورسټئ نه علاوه، عبدالولي خان يونيورسټی کښ د پښتونخوا سټډی او ريسرچ سنټر کښ د پښتو ادبی او ثقافتی څانګه شته - په پښتونخوا کښ ډيري مياشتنئ رسالي او يو څو اخبارونه هم اوزی - د پښتو د ترقئ د پاره تش د ژبے سرکاری دفترو کښ لازمی کيدل څه داسي ضروری هم نه ده - دا خو په خلکو پورے ده چه هغوئي د خپلے ژبے څومره قدر کوی په ليکلو کښ، اود پښتو کتابونه او رسالے لوستلو کښ- که تاسو چري د پښتو يو کتاب نه اخلئ او رساله نه ګورئ او تشي خبري د پښتو د ترقئ کوئ نو يوه ژبه تش سرکاری سرپرستی نه غواړی د هغو خلکو سرپرستی ورله د هر څه نه ډيره پکار وی

[gadoonwal]

nick,if you follow paki census then the pashtun number will always go down.
even in 1998 census pashtu speaking of kp pashtuns were 80% followed by chetralis and khindko etc.
In hazara division pashtu speaking pashtuns are 45% of the total papulation in area of sirikot,ogy,tor ghar,batagram,sheenkyary,bafa,agror etc while khindkyaans make up less then 40% of hazara division cus there are kohistanis too in hazara.
It is paki establishment waste no time cuting pashtun numbers.They do,n even go to some areas for census.
There are more then 35 millions pashtu speaking pashtun alone in pashtunkhwa followed by 5 millions pashtuns of baluchistan/south pashtunkhwa, areas of chach/attock vally,khatak of makarwal in punjab are pashtu speaking pashtun.
The pashtuns of karachi are registered as a citizens of pashtnkhwa not karachi.They are there for business .
In total 94% of the total papulation of pashtunkhwa are of pashtun origin the remaining are gujars,kohistanis etc.
Also the police officers in pashtunkhwa are mostly pashtuns but if any non pashtun come from punjab need to learn pashtu .
In total the pashtu speaking pashtuns are more then 45 millions.
Punjab make up 50 of the total papulation but even the punjabis are not more then 60% of punjab papulation cus there are seraikis too.
The seraikis are in good numbers and their area is more then the punjabi speaking.
it was perangi looked after its best servant punjabis and given them the power .
Untill this day the munafeqeen of west support the punjabi establishment.

[Nick]

nick,if you follow paki census then the pashtun number will always go down.
even in 1998 census pashtu speaking of kp pashtuns were 80% followed by chetralis and khindko etc.
In hazara division pashtu speaking pashtuns are 45% of the total papulation in area of sirikot,ogy,tor ghar,batagram,sheenkyary,bafa,agror etc while khindkyaans make up less then 40% of hazara division cus there are kohistanis too in hazara.
It is paki establishment waste no time cuting pashtun numbers.They do,n even go to some areas for census.
There are more then 35 millions pashtu speaking pashtun alone in pashtunkhwa followed by 5 millions pashtuns of baluchistan/south pashtunkhwa, areas of chach/attock vally,khatak of makarwal in punjab are pashtu speaking pashtun.
The pashtuns of karachi are registered as a citizens of pashtnkhwa not karachi.They are there for business .
In total 94% of the total papulation of pashtunkhwa are of pashtun origin the remaining are gujars,kohistanis etc.
Also the police officers in pashtunkhwa are mostly pashtuns but if any non pashtun come from punjab need to learn pashtu .
In total the pashtu speaking pashtuns are more then 45 millions.
Punjab make up 50 of the total papulation but even the punjabis are not more then 60% of punjab papulation cus there are seraikis too.
The seraikis are in good numbers and their area is more then the punjabi speaking.
it was perangi looked after its best servant punjabis and given them the power .
Untill this day the munafeqeen of west support the punjabi establishment.

Lol ok brother I once discussion with a punjabi who said he was khan and therefore pathan, anyways bottom he showed me few good books written by pakistan which in some claimed 60% of pakistan are pathhan and in another Called nations of Pathan claim 45% lol whatever the number it made no sense to me or anyone who has been researching for years and years. Or at least educated enough to make common sense. I asked him why is it called Pakistan a meaningless meaning and not Pathanistan that was in 2008 and he laughed and Pathan is not considered a good word. I was like dahhh. So bottom point Pashtun population is not even 20 million. Sure what you are saying might of been made sense but showing the number less was also no good to Pakistan because in Pakistan added hindkos with pashtuns combined to make their percentage from 6% to 8% so that claim same number of pashtuns live on both sides in 1965 in UN resolution Pakistanis argued that Pashtuns of Pakistan are same as number of Pashtuns in Afghanistan and that Afghanistan is a multi-nation as well so why now give Turkistan back to Soviet republics.

I don't know what you are talking about but Pastun number have been increased since 1965 so go ahead and research. Again historically Pashtun speakers of whole world combined could be reached 45 million simply due to historical records. Please fallow another topic and let's discuss there. I love to know how did a total Afghan tribe of 1.56million in 1880 reached over 45 million. Cause really what you are saying is a joke. Compare that recorded in 1880s with those of neighbors and I am sure you would laugh as well cause really we are not babe makers 1970s average south Asian family size is lower about 8-10 people where as in 1880 average family size was 15-18. Please research on demographics and how it works. Even if you assume average family size of Pashtuns were not changed and remained as 15-18 than I am sure we could be reaching 45 total world wide with 3.56 million of 1880s. And here you only account of total pashtuns of Pakistan as 45 million????

In total 94% of the total papulation of pashtunkhwa are of pashtun origin.

LoL if you say 94 % of FATA than I would believe you but 94% of KP.

You know Gadoondwal we were once discussing politics, race, culture islam etc and argument took place amongst family and cousins and out of no-where my 7 years old cousin came wave his hands and said "Why are you guys yelling Afghanistan is 99% Afghan and we are all Afghans, like me see I am strong and beat 3 guys just right now" lol yeah he is half Ahmadzai and half Maku khel lol but how could I explain him the Turkistan, Hazaras, Uzbek and Dari, Turkman, Baluch etc he is only 7 years old would I be able to explain our differences? And let's for example if I say 90% of Afghanistan are pashtun? How would you feel? Happy so would hi but are also educated enough to know that Pashtu speakers are not suppose to be Turkic like Tajikistani or Uzbekistanis and so you know we have former soviet Turkistani features in Afghanistan as well. Now how would you feel? Never mind how would Uzbeks, Tajikistanis and turkomans would feel to be called Pashtun? Lol I tell u not so happy they have their own pride, would not like to be called Pashtun now reflect back to KP.From KP -->go back to history who were the Pathan soldiers of sikh kingdom? weren't they gujar? Hindko etc? Again who were the pathans of British whom young Afghan killed? Were they really pathans of your own Afghan race? These research I leave it up to you.



lol 94% lol 45 million makes no sense Afghans or pashtuns are not the only nation in KP but dozen others of some who even hate the fact that pashtu became a compulsory course you have to take that in account. Over 130 people died and over 1600 injured just because renaming of NWFP brother be open minded. We are all muslims and we should respect each other and not discriminate. I am not again those Pathans who claim to be Pathan but looks as dark as Tamil and sometimes as red as Nufi. But I assume we are talking Pashtuns ie pashtu speakers rather language wise not racial or vague or iranic individual claims .

If you say total "pathans" in whole of Pakistan I sure agree with 35 million or 50 million.

WHy not? There were 5% Afghans or Pathans in India and according to the recent Indian state census let's admit 3% Afghan/Pathan lol what is 3% of India wow so now that's double of your 45 million pashtuns.---->I can't go against that but if you want me to believe that there are 45 millionor 95 milllion or 130 million or anything more than 20 million pashtu speakers in Pakistan ----> Its not gonna happen. or then I rest my case and you win cause I look at things from historical prospective and historical records specially such as data means a lot to me rather than some BS census created by Pakistan. In fact in anything produced by number one enemy of Afghan. Sorry you can ignorant if you want but I won't fall into your ISI Bs so please don't try to convince me that 3.56 million total Pashtun/Afghan tribes of Afghanistan/FATA/KP/Balochistan are not anything above 45 million. It just doesn't make sense.