Jinnah and co

[afghanis_hehe]

GraveyardofEmpires

Remind me who is living in a fantasy?

Pakistan sufferred 5000 Pak soldier casualties in FATA - army of slaves.

50 NATO countries with the most advanced weapons and technology allied with Pakistan have lost to Pashtuns

Pakistan gets to be known as the country that served the West and helped prop up Karzai in Kabul.

Well i think u r living in america or canada or uk and u dont know the reality . Do u think america has lost the war. Well they have taken all the things and have made afghanistan a desert . the 2014 plan of nato return : do u think there is any reality behind this .US doesnt want to win the war they just want the resources which they are taking like in iraq and afghanistan. there was no osama and on the name of osama they destroyed afghanistan. why do u think they havent won the war , can u come bak to afghanistan and can u stay over there , can u roam freely over there , if not then my brother america has been succesful in some of its objectives , US doesnt care abt the land but it cares abt is resources.US will never leave afghanistan and the way india is supporting the taliban against pakistan and has started interfering in afghanistan by providing u guys with jobs and alot of afghan peopel are going to india on tours and all these things . do u think even if u get rid of us which is highly highly unlikely u will be free . Nope my brother kuffar want that that we be divided and that we are. We have started talking about who is arabi and who is ajami. what india wants from u guys is to get control over ur areas and move towrds central asia. the india is trying to created hegemony in the region which inshallah muslims of pakistan will never let happen .
and According to u even if we lost to pashtuns which is just ur imagination and ur thinking and ur conclusions i have no shame as we lost to muslims not to non muslims.i think all pakistan is under pakistan control not like ur country which is completely under control of minorities like tajik hazara uzbek which are controlling the majority i.e pakhtuns.
Inshallah one day will come that all the muslims of the world will unite and there will be no hatred amongst all of us .

[Toramana]

Well i think u r living in america or canada or uk and u dont know the reality . Do u think america has lost the war. Well they have taken all the things and have made afghanistan a desert . the 2014 plan of nato return : do u think there is any reality behind this .US doesnt want to win the war they just want the resources which they are taking like in iraq and afghanistan. there was no osama and on the name of osama they destroyed afghanistan. why do u think they havent won the war , can u come bak to afghanistan and can u stay over there , can u roam freely over there , if not then my brother america has been succesful in some of its objectives , US doesnt care abt the land but it cares abt is resources.US will never leave afghanistan and the way india is supporting the taliban against pakistan and has started interfering in afghanistan by providing u guys with jobs and alot of afghan peopel are going to india on tours and all these things . do u think even if u get rid of us which is highly highly unlikely u will be free . Nope my brother kuffar want that that we be divided and that we are. We have started talking about who is arabi and who is ajami. what india wants from u guys is to get control over ur areas and move towrds central asia. the india is trying to created hegemony in the region which inshallah muslims of pakistan will never let happen .
and According to u even if we lost to pashtuns which is just ur imagination and ur thinking and ur conclusions i have no shame as we lost to muslims not to non muslims.i think all pakistan is under pakistan control not like ur country which is completely under control of minorities like tajik hazara uzbek which are controlling the majority i.e pakhtuns.
Inshallah one day will come that all the muslims of the world will unite and there will be no hatred amongst all of us .

Buffoon, US doesn't need Afghanistan resources (right now it is pumping dollars in you people to keep your country afloat and not let it slip into the hands of terrorism completely). Afghanistan and US/NATO (and the broader region that includes Central Asia, India, Russia, etc.) have security concerns/interests that coincide i.e., how to tackle terrorism emanating from the terroristan (i.e., Pakistan). That is why the basis and the strategic pacts

Unlike Terroristan whose leaders e.g., Jannah, Liaqat Ali Khan, Ayub Khan, Ghulam Mohammad, etc. offered, dictatorially and out of servitude, their country to the West on a plate without asking the masses or getting parliamentary approval for it, the strategic pact between Afg and US/NATO has been signed after long negotiations backed by parliamentary approval.

[Toramana]

Well i think u should come into the real world as see for urself that afghans have been ruled a lot of times and have been defeated most of the times. i will go stepwise ok . bfr that i would say that u guys have hindus and sikhs in ur country right , so do u think they just jumped to that place nope , ranjit singh basically took them or converted alot of them to sikhs. though hindus in ur country are traders that settled there a long time ago . while u need to accept the fact that u have been defeated and ruled alot of times. what do u think definition of rule means , that they were governing the region which is now called afghanistan ok. U need to check out the maps of the rulers who were either hindus, turks and persians who ruled the region which is afghanistan today . I just want to tell u that u shudnt make up ur opinions without concerning some sources. Well u shoudl have a look at this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan .
Dont complain that this is wikipedia and anybody can write it .u can check further sources for maps. it wil tell u the reality .starting from hindu shahi dyanasty(Kabul shahi in other words) which included kabul then came janjua rajput emire then ghaznavids and those were turks and then ghauris who also ruled the present day afghanistan (i dont know why u say that u have not been ruled u have been ruled all these centuries) then came mongols chengis khan who defeated the khwarizm empire and in that time khwarizm empire include all the present day afghanistan and he defeated the empire and ennexed that place to his large mongol empire.Then timur came and he annexed that place again. After timur bahlol lodhi who was a pashtun came but he had a very weak empire only sikandar lodhi was a capable ruler(Well i love this guy because he killed a lot of non muslims) then came mughals who ruled the present day afghanistan. it was because of this land of afghanistan that there were continous battles betwen mughals and safavids .Now how can u say that ur land was never ruled .Even Ranjit singh with his army ruled Frontier and parts of Afghanistan.
Man u need to accept the fact that u have been ruled by turks persians and mongols and hindus. On the other hand u can believe that u were never ruled but no body can deny thsi fact that the country where afghanistan lies today has been ruled by many turks persians mongols and hindus.
Suris ruled and i personally lov sher shah but i dont really admire ahmad shah as he was the general of nadir shah(another turkic king of iran who was a plunderer and looter).
Have a look at this link u will get the truth .And shame on u for making up the history by urself u need to consult sources .if u need any more info do cntact me

Moron, it is the spirit that counts. It is true that Pashtuns/Afghans many a time were defeated but still kept the spirit of liberty/freedom alive and put up some resistance unlike you the Indics that bent on your four to offer yourself to every invader (out of meakness or greed) whether coming from the south or the north.

Yes, Turks, etc. ruled Afghanistan but as long as they kept Pashtuns/Afghans happy by enlisting them in their armies in large number and involving them to a very substantial degree in the administration of their empires.

[afghanis_hehe]

Moron, it is the spirit that counts. It is true that Pashtuns/Afghans many a time were defeated but still kept the spirit of liberty/freedom alive and put up some resistance unlike you Indics that bow on your four to every invader (out of meakness or greed) whether coming from the South or the north.

Yes, Turks, etc. ruled Afghanistan but as long as they kept Pashtuns/Afghans happy by enlisting them in their armies in large number and involving them to a very substantial degree in the administration of their empires.

well do u think that when u afghans were kept into the armies they kept rajputs too which were hindus. Do u think like they didnt keep them and if we had bowed in front of the invaders then i think pakistan wouldnt have been made. its time for u to free ur country from US isnt it . We freed it from British.Now u need to prove ur so called afghan power which is completely weak .. yes u gave resistance especially when mongols gave u the khan title by marrying manyy afghans right and annexing ur land in to their empires. Even though my mother is pashtun and i cant insult pashtun nation bcz my fellow pakistanis are pashtuns too but i can say that even in babur nama . Zaheer ud din babar wrote that he didnt find any difficulty in fighting the tribes of afghanistan and he was offered women by the sardars to leave them in peace. it was just the pakistan pashtuns who were the true fighters in the armies. And pakistanis have also not forgotten the treatment which we got after khilafat movement when thousand went to afghanistan on the advice of gandhi and ur beloved bacha khan and how ur afghans kicked them out. sadly my great grandmother who happens to be a pakhtun too(turi) also migrated but had to return due to the hospitality ur forefathers gave. the guy u hate the most zia ul haq was the one who allowed millions of afghan refugees to come in the state which u call terroristan. u can compare the treatment of afghan refugees in paksiatn and iran. its just that u have hatred towards pakistan which no body can remove from ur heart.

[afghanis_hehe]

Moron, it is the spirit that counts. It is true that Pashtuns/Afghans many a time were defeated but still kept the spirit of liberty/freedom alive and put up some resistance unlike you the Indics that bow on your four to every invader (out of meakness or greed) whether coming from the south or the north.

Yes, Turks, etc. ruled Afghanistan but as long as they kept Pashtuns/Afghans happy by enlisting them in their armies in large number and involving them to a very substantial degree in the administration of their empires.

Well i will also tell u how the status worked
Rulers = turks
Wazirs = persians
Armies: afghans rajputs and qizilbash and persians and turkish soldiers

during the time of lodhi suri u were given high status. Turkish theory of kingship states that no position of high authority should be given to anybody who is not of noble birth(i.e pure turk by blood).
During akbar Rajputs were made wazirs and he married alot of rajput wives. Even sultan bahlol lodhi married a rajput women and sikandar lodhi was born.

[afghanis_hehe]

Moron, it is the spirit that counts. It is true that Pashtuns/Afghans many a time were defeated but still kept the spirit of liberty/freedom alive and put up some resistance unlike you the Indics that bent on your four to offer yourself to every invader (out of meakness or greed) whether coming from the south or the north.

Yes, Turks, etc. ruled Afghanistan but as long as they kept Pashtuns/Afghans happy by enlisting them in their armies in large number and involving them to a very substantial degree in the administration of their empires.

just one question why do u hate pakistan so much and pakistani people. U shud be hating the governement not pakistani people right.

[Toramana]

well do u think that when u afghans were kept into the armies they kept rajputs too which were hindus. Do u think like they didnt keep them and if we had bowed in front of the invaders then i think pakistan wouldnt have been made. its time for u to free ur country from US isnt it . We freed it from British.Now u need to prove ur so called afghan power which is completely weak .. yes u gave resistance especially when mongols gave u the khan title by marrying manyy afghans right and annexing ur land in to their empires. Even though my mother is pashtun and i cant insult pashtun nation bcz my fellow pakistanis are pashtuns too but i can say that even in babur nama . Zaheer ud din babar wrote that he didnt find any difficulty in fighting the tribes of afghanistan and he was offered women by the sardars to leave them in peace. it was just the pakistan pashtuns who were the true fighters in the armies. And pakistanis have also not forgotten the treatment which we got after khilafat movement when thousand went to afghanistan on the advice of gandhi and ur beloved bacha khan and how ur afghans kicked them out. sadly my great grandmother who happens to be a pakhtun too(turi) also migrated but had to return due to the hospitality ur forefathers gave. the guy u hate the most zia ul haq was the one who allowed millions of afghan refugees to come in the state which u call terroristan. u can compare the treatment of afghan refugees in paksiatn and iran. its just that u have hatred towards pakistan which no body can remove from ur heart.

Oh really? Have you read that part of the Babar Nama (memoires of Babar ) that concerns your people i.e., the Indics---The first thing you see in that part of his auto-biography is the utter derision/contempt (which almost every other invader whether from the north or the south have as well) that he expresses for you people. The second thing is, even though he is not explicit, one can understand looking at the nature of you people how much you might have "served" Babar and his soldiers.

And moron Pashtun/Afghan history is one and the same as for resistance to invaders. Many of the Pashtun tribes e.g. Mohamands, Shinwaris, Mullaguris, etc. were to the west of Durand Line and not yet had immigrated to KP at the time of Babar's campaigns in Afghanistan.

Rest what you say is plain gibberish not worthy of any reply.

[haviZsultan]

Well i will also tell u how the status worked
Rulers = turks
Wazirs = persians
Armies: afghans rajputs and qizilbash and persians and turkish soldiers

during the time of lodhi suri u were given high status. Turkish theory of kingship states that no position of high authority should be given to anybody who is not of noble birth(i.e pure turk by blood).
During akbar Rajputs were made wazirs and he married alot of rajput wives. Even sultan bahlol lodhi married a rajput women and sikandar lodhi was born.

afghanis_hehe... try a different strategy here. If 70% of all Pashtuns (or 30 Million) are Pakistani Pashtuns... that history belongs to us.

So by default since most Pashtuns are Pakistani-the Ghorid, Ghaznavid, Durrani empires all belonged to <(Pakistani Pashtuns)>

Thanks for honouring us Afghans. In anything from Afghan history, Pakistani Pashtuns will have a larger part because they are the majority. If they claim Afghan history and Pashtun history is the same then give us a share of our history too.

Since the Pakistani Pashtun is overwhelmingly Pakistani (Pakistani Pashtun=Pakistani) then we can easily assume Pashtun history is Pakistani history.

So what we proudly say its our history! Try this. All Pashtun history belongs to Pakistan. Tormana you must like the sound of that.

[Toramana]

Well i will also tell u how the status worked
Rulers = turks
Wazirs = persians
Armies: afghans rajputs and qizilbash and persians and turkish soldiers

during the time of lodhi suri u were given high status. Turkish theory of kingship states that no position of high authority should be given to anybody who is not of noble birth(i.e pure turk by blood).
During akbar Rajputs were made wazirs and he married alot of rajput wives. Even sultan bahlol lodhi married a rajput women and sikandar lodhi was born.

The armies of Mahmoud of Ghazna comprised in bulk of Khalj/Ghaljis/Afghans (Bakhtyar Ghlijai who later conquered the whole of Bangal and Bihar with mere 18 soldiers was Mahmoud's main conscription officer in Pashtun/Afghan areas). And Ghourids owed their victory to Pashtun/Afghan soldiery.

[Toramana]

afghanis_hehe... try a different strategy here. If 70% of all Pashtuns (or 30 Million) are Pakistani Pashtuns... that history belongs to us.

So by default since most Pashtuns are Pakistani-the Ghorid, Ghaznavid, Durrani empires all belonged to <(Pakistani Pashtuns)>

Thanks for honouring us Afghans. In anything from Afghan history, Pakistani Pashtuns will have a larger part because they are the majority. If they claim Afghan history and Pashtun history is the same then give us a share of our history too.

Since the Pakistani Pashtun is overwhelmingly Pakistani (Pakistani Pashtun=Pakistani) then we can easily assume Pashtun history is Pakistani history.

So what we proudly say its our history! Try this. All Pashtun history belongs to Pakistan. Tormana you must like the sound of that.

That wouldn't work my Indic friend. Pashtun/Afghan history is one and indivisible. I know you people i.e., the Indics are desperate (I know too much of Paki desperation is driving you insane to make these ridiculous claims) for heroes and would do whatever you can to run away from your Indic origin (so the fake claims of Arab, Afghan, Turk, etc. ancestry), the fact is you are completely different from us in every sense of the word including heroes ---you having Ranjit Singh, Guru Nanak, Baghat Singh, Bullai Shaha, etc. as your heroes and we, having Ahmad Shah baba, Rahman Baba, Khushal Khan, etc. as our heroes.

Every Pashtun irrespective of place of habitation takes immense pride in owning Ahmad Shah Baba, Rahman Baba, Khushal, etc and enjoy poetry of Rahman, Khushal, etc. and on the other hand have not an inkling of what Bullai Shah, Hir Ranja, etc. is all about.

Say some thing that makes sense. Don't just spit moron-ism to bring your point home.

[haviZsultan]

The armies of Mahmoud of Ghazna comprised in bulk of Khalj/Ghaljis/Afghans (Bakhtyar Ghlijai who later conquered the whole of Bangal and Bihar with mere 18 soldiers was Mahmoud's main conscription officer in Pashtun/Afghan areas). And Ghourids owed their victory to Pashtun/Afghan soldiery.

Thats great. So Pakistani's have more right to that history as 70% of all Pashtuns are Pakistanis. Totally true isn't it. Its the history of Pakhtunkhwa and automatically Pakistan.

So that settles it. Ghaznavid and Ghorid armies were Pashtuns=Pakistanis. So no one is naming their missiles after Afghans. We're naming our missiles after ourselves and the sacrifices of our people in their history.

[Toramana]

Also, there are few buyers of this Pakistani Pashtun concept in Pakistan itself. Except for a few morons from Punjab whose minds are being driven insane by the so-called Paki nationalism, people of other provinces e.g., Baluchis, Sindhis, Siraikis, most of Pashtuns and even Mahajars of Karachi believe in the indivisibility of Pashtun nation.

[afghanis_hehe]

Oh really? Have you read that part of the Babar Nama (memoires of Babar ) that concerns your people i.e., the Indics---The first thing you see in that part of his auto-biography is the utter derision/contempt (which almost every other invader whether from the north or the south have as well) that he expresses for you people. The second thing is, even though he is not explicit, one can understand looking at the nature of you people how much you might have "served" Babar and his soldiers.

And moron Pashtun/Afghan history is one and the same as for resistance to invaders. Many of the Pashtun tribes e.g. Mohamands, Shinwaris, Mullaguris, etc. were to the west of Durand Line and not yet had immigrated to KP at the time of Babar's campaigns in Afghanistan.

Rest what you say is plain gibberish not worthy of any reply.

ok now if u want to take the truth then i think i will let u know. What u r talking about is just things that u want to make for urself .While i will tell u u guys claim that khilji which u r v proud of iktiyardin khilji he was a khilji turk not afghan and khiljis had been living in the region since a long so they had adopted some afghan customs its like sikhs living in ur country an dhave adopted pashto but does that make them pashtun nope. and barani who was the historian at that time says in clear words that khiljis were central asian turks who had settled in afghanistan which means that they were outsiders so plz dont snatch away the history of turks as ur own and speak abt those guys who were true afghans not settled ones. do refer barani for thsi they wre treated badlyy in courts because they were not of pure turkic stock . they ere mixed with afghans , indian muslims and arabs. but the rulers were completely turkic as they kept their noble birth
Next muhammad ghauri owed his victory to afghans woooww .. what a big lie . all his favourite generals were turks nasir ud din qabuuca multan, taj ud yildiz ghazni , qutb ud aibak and iltutmish. Now how come he owes his victory to afghans hhahah. u gota read history. ghauri himself belonged to shansabani family of eastern persian ancestry. how come he owed victory to u when he passed over his kingship to qutb ud aibak who was a turk. he mentioned many times that ghauri loved his turkish soldier as his sons nowhere mentioned that he loved afghan soldiers.
and babur was offered women and u can read that carefully . what he mentioned abt other indians was whatever,. his sons married into those indians then heheh. akbar jahangir .
and suri and lodhi dynasties were partly turkic as they belong to ghilzai pashtuns . ghilzai have their ancestory from khilji turks that is one theory and othr is from bibi mato who either married shah hussain a turk and the sons were name lodhi suri or another ruler who was of eastern persian origin. ghilzais are partly turkic and u need to confirm that from the records tooo.
Dont be proud on other peopel history

[Toramana]

Im guessing they all had NIC cards aswell?

Hahaha The guy forgets that Pakistan was born at the night of Aug 14, 1947 and didn't have any existence before that date. I read an article by another Paki moron that said Pakistani contingents fought in the army Darius 550 BC (referring to Saka).

The desperation for heroes has driven these people completely insane.

[afghanis_hehe]

Thats great. So Pakistani's have more right to that history as 70% of all Pashtuns are Pakistanis. Totally true isn't it. Its the history of Pakhtunkhwa and automatically Pakistan.

So that settles it. Ghaznavid and Ghorid armies were Pashtuns=Pakistanis. So no one is naming their missiles after Afghans. We're naming our missiles after ourselves and the sacrifices of our people in their history.

Brother no ghaznavid and ghauris were turks and persian . but sher shah suri was born in multan and is pakistani pashtun . even afghan father ahmed shah baba was born in multan and is pakistani area pashtun and bahlol lodhi was born in multan tooo pakistani pashtun. heheh so u know what history afghans have is of compelte slavery under turks and persians and even hindus.