Pakistan is no friend of pashtuns

[afghan]

How many times have you been to Karachi and leave the Karachi discussion to the topic of Karachi, come there and let's have a debate over the issue..

Regards!!

you have brought up the karachi yourself. wether i have been to karachi or not. but its clear that it war against pashtun not matter where the pashtun are will be targetted, it be pashtunkhwa, kandahar, jalal abad or karachi. if you are surrounded only non-pashtun as you have mentioned your self meting 100 people a day and all of them or non pashtun what could be expect from you. these 100 people will not come and tell you we hate pashtun and we are going to kill them. as always the pakies have played victims. You are no diffirent .

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ The word Paki is a racial slur according to the rules of this forum avoid it.

No I didn't and now come to the Karachi thread if you are interested to get your answers..

[Bengal_Tiger]

English is an international language spoken and understood worldwide. Otherwise we could also argue why English is an official language in Pakistan; A country that was not attacked by the English but also enslaved. Come on Luffy, your punches lately are very weak. How come?

A basta*d-state that was created by the British, with its

- first army head as Frank Messervy,

- first governor of Punjab as Sir Francis Mudie and first head of the ISI

- Creator of the ISI as Major-general R Cawthome

So it is not a state which attacked Pakistan, but gave birth to it and has used it as a dagger in the heart of the Muslim ummah to kill Muslims and cause destruction.

[Chelsea-Fan]

Pakistan is there and you people need to accept it. Noone can erase Pakistan from the map. Your behave here on a Pathan-forum is very cruel and respectless. You want to talk for 28-30 mio. Pashtuns who live in Pakistan... We have our own interests and own problems. We can not deal with your problems, too. Why do you insult us? Have you ever seen any Pathan insulting a Pashtun from Afghanistan?

[MostafaM]

Pakistan is there and you people need to accept it. Noone can erase Pakistan from the map. Your behave here on a Pathan-forum is very cruel and respectless. You want to talk for 28-30 mio. Pashtuns who live in Pakistan... We have our own interests and own problems. We can not deal with your problems, too. Why do you insult us? Have you ever seen any Pathan insulting a Pashtun from Afghanistan?

To answer your last question: yes, take a look at your "Pathan" friends here. I will not bring up examples from real experiences.

Pakistan is there, you are right.
It´s better to let Pakistan be and see it implode.
We express our views about that cancer-like entity called "Pakistan".
We never said we will destroy it.
That´s your own insurgencies, injustice and corruptio to do.

[Chelsea-Fan]

Dear Mustafa,

if Pakistan is going to implode or explode, let it explode or implode. It will be our problem, not yours. Right? Currently, the ''cancer'' as you call, is not Pakistan but Afghanistan. Just look what kind of a state you have. All those non-Pashtoons Shaysta defends are against Pashtoons and turned off from Karzai and the government and reorganized an own opposition against the current ''Pashtun government''. Today, you have the all power but can not do anything productive with it. You call us as terrorists and insult us with whatever but it is you who cooperate with Taliban. It is you who cooperate with the pupil of ISI, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Isn´t that an irony? You insult us and the ISI but you welcome their ''creations'' as your brothers and power backers. Why do you think all those non-Pashtoons distanced themself from you? Believe me, if any state is going to explode or implode, than it will be first Afghanistan, possibly Pakistan will follow it as second but at least we have a structure and can unify ourself again to a state. We will still have a basic, you haven´t. You can call as much as you want Pakistan´s death, but face reality that Pakistan is by far more stable than Afghanistan. We have a common identity, Afghanistan hasn´t. We have a common language, Afghanistan hasn´t. We have a common army and Afghanistan hasn´t. We have a common government shared by everyone and Afghanistan hasn´t such a government. Pakistan has powerful allies and global players, Afghanistan has ''allies'' with own interests following the rule of neo-colonialism AND corruption has a much deeper place in Afghanistan than in Pakistan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistan is there and you people need to accept it. Noone can erase Pakistan from the map. Your behave here on a Pathan-forum is very cruel and respectless. You want to talk for 28-30 mio. Pashtuns who live in Pakistan... We have our own interests and own problems. We can not deal with your problems, too. Why do you insult us? Have you ever seen any Pathan insulting a Pashtun from Afghanistan?

I don't know if you were addressing me or others, but you do seem to be a polite and civilized person, so let me address your points.

1. I have great respect for Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns and whether they stay as part of Pakistan or not is their own affair and not for me to decide. Currently the main consensus of the big and powerful Pakhtun tribes is to side with Pakistan e.g. Yusufzais, Khattaks, Waziris and others including those in FATA.

I wish my brothers in Pashtunkhwa all the best.

2. However as a practising Muslim and student of history I see Pakistan as a creation of the British that has killed more Muslims than Israel.

- Hundreds of thousands of Muslims in East Pakistan (the three million number is an Awami league exaggeration).

- Killed thousands of Pakhtuns in Pashtunkhwa including destruction of mosques.

- Killed, raped and tortured many Balochis.

Therefore as someone who loves the Muslim ummah I will feel great joy the day that Pakistan is destroyed and ceases to exist, in the same way I feel joy when I read of the Hotakis destroying the Safawis in Iran, who like the Pakistani regime were a great thorn in the side of the Muslim ummah. I just can't describe to you how I will feel on that day.

I won't cry out of joy, as crying in general is not manly, but I will face Mecca, say "Allahu Akbar" and do two rakahs of salah (prayer) to thank Allah for the destruction of Pakistan, and be grateful that I can follow the sunnah of Hadhrat Umar (radi'Allahu anhu) who celebrated this way when the kingdom of the evil Khosroe of Iran was destroyed.

In its place, with this beast called "Pakistan" destroyed, I hope there will be peace in the region, and that Pashtun, Balochi, Sindhi and other Muslims can live in peace and dignity.

I also hope that the evil waderas and sardars and other feudal landlords of Sindh, Balochistan are destroyed including the so-called "Balochi nationalists" such as Mengal and Khairbaksh Marri as well as the greedy Zardari-Bhutto family. I am happy that Allah rid the world of Bugti and Benazir and I sincerely pray for the destruction of the feudal system, whereby feudal landlords make millions of people their slaves, rape their women, have private prisons and are treated like demi-gods.

Oh Allah please bring forward the destruction of Pakistan and the end of the feudal system, the end of religious extremism e.g. the Punjabi Taliban, oppresson of women, the destablization of Afghanistan.

All praise be to Allah and peace and prayers be upon his final messenger, Mustafa Sadiq al Amin, Ameen, thumma Ameen.

[Chelsea-Fan]

1. I have great respect for Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns and whether they stay as part of Pakistan or not is their own affair and not for me to decide. Currently the main consensus of the big and powerful Pakhtun tribes is to side with Pakistan e.g. Yusufzais, Khattaks, Waziris and others including those in FATA.

Because the region is their lands. You can change the name of Pakistan to Kafaristan as you always call, it won´t change anything. Everything and everyone will remain there. Beside that, many Yusufzais are high ranking officials. Waziris who are not even part of Panjab have a very high statue there. The Khattaks are known beeing very peaceful people always beeing busy with their lands and not harming anyone. Than we have some criminals who kill Muslims under the name of Shia or Sunni and devide the country through it´s religious mazhab without thinking that all those people are innocent, possibly sinless, at least all those children. It is horrible to know Sunnis burn Shias alive and Shias are burning Sunnis alive.. just because of terrorists from Afghanistan who always brought disunity among peaceful people.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110513695706965&comments

However as a practising Muslim and student of history I see Pakistan as a creation of the British that has killed more Muslims than Israel.

What is Afghanistan if not a british fabrication? Before Abdurrahman Khan Afghanistan was not Afghanistan. Afganistan is a creation of British and Russian interventions in the region. And Afghanistan brought many more victims to the region than Pakistan. Just count all those wars and tribal struggles from the 19th century to day. Your problem is you are proud of the ''achievements'' and killing of others, mostly Arabs. That is maybe the mentality that gave birth to Taliban?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

^^that is not true, read Kingdom of Caubal and other material.

[Shayesta]

@Chelsea
First of all, spare us your false version of history. Just wanted to point out that Bengali-Tiger is from Bangladesh, speak to him like one. No need to lecture every other national about Afghanistan, it's not only Afghans being critical of Pakistani government. Manena.

[Chelsea-Fan]

^^that is not true, read Kingdom of Caubal and other material.

''read Kingdom of Caubal'' I don´t need to read it. Bring your proof from that book and ''other material''.

@Shaysta

stop fooling yourself with your fake created history. British and Russia formed your current Afghanistan and it´s borders. The british even backed Abdurahman Khan against the Emir of Bukhara who ruled over large part of Afghanistan, specially Badakhshan, Mazar, Jusjan, Faryab, Sarpol and Kunduz and some other regions. The only reason why Afghanistan was represented by a Pashtun ''ruling family'' was because of a Pathan from Pakistan, known as Ahmad Shah Abdali who established the basics of a future state that later would be called as Afghanistan and it´s royal family would be of Pashtun origin.

[Shayesta]

^ And I kept thinking our official history started with Abdali, silly me!

[Digital Malang]

''read Kingdom of Caubal'' I don´t need to read it. Bring your proof from that book and ''other material''.

@Shaysta

stop fooling yourself with your fake created history. British and Russia formed your current Afghanistan and it´s borders. The british even backed Abdurahman Khan against the Emir of Bukhara who ruled over large part of Afghanistan, specially Badakhshan, Mazar, Jusjan, Faryab, Sarpol and Kunduz and some other regions. The only reason why Afghanistan was represented by a Pashtun ''ruling family'' was because of a Pathan from Pakistan, known as Ahmad Shah Abdali who established the basics of a future state that later would be called as Afghanistan and it´s royal family would be of Pashtun origin.

you rahmat kabulzada albani

[Chelsea-Fan]

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20110630_art008.pdf

Afghanistan-Consolidation of the Modern State ABDUR RAHMAN KHAN, "THE IRON AMIR," 1880-1901

Afghanistan Country Study

Ahmad Shah Abdali just give you the sources for a future state under Pathan Muhammadzai ruling class. He himself was the basis of what you call today Afghanistan. Why you people call and cry that Pakistan is a british fabrication? The same goes for Afghanistan and many other state´s too (Israel).

[Shayesta]

^ None of your sources say anything about Abdali being 'guided' by the British, and I should have known you are an old member. You were better under your own ethnic, throw away your Pakistani mask and come back as your true-self. Till then, wakhte khush baret arzo mekonem.