Gunmen hijack bus, identify and kill all Pashtuns on board

[MostafaM]

To those members who won't stop being stubborn, don't act if you don't know what I am talking about. I am sure you know the difference between sense and nonsense, thus I expect you to also know the difference between freedom of speech and continues name callings and insults. I didn't tell anyone to stop speaking the so-called 'truth' (if you are the only ones), I only requested a change in tone and use of words. There is nothing wrong with having videos as your signature, but under the name you have it is disturbing to many members who keep messaging the moderators to do something about it.

I am not going to clarify myself again because I have been crystal clear in this regards, and thereby this is the last warning I am sending out so no more arguments please. Following actions will be taken by Admin.

You repeat yourself.

Your point that the Admin will take action was noticed and rejected by everyone except for the PPPs (PPP= Proud Pakistani Pathan; a polemic if I may say! ) because there is absolutly no problem with pointing out HOW criminally the Pakistani state and establishment behave towards Pashtuns.

There is no need to play the role of the trumpeter of Sir Admin I., Duke of Pashtunforums.
Let him speak and react for himself if he feels the need to do so.

[Michin Khel]

No one is making fun of any ones misery. Pakistan does not care about Pashtuns. Pashtuns have been raising their voices for generations but no one is listening to them. The leaders are all sold outs, they have chosen to follow and obey instead of be free and lead.

It is a mohajir-pashtun issue, don't blame all Pakistan for it. Neither Sindhis nor Punjabis do target killings of Pashtuns, in fact not every mohajir is to be taken as MQM-wala. This issue needs to be resolved and we can solve it as pakistanis not as rebels or Taliban.

[MostafaM]

This is a Pukhtoon forum, not 'Pathan bashing' forum. Don't tell Pakistani Pukhtoons what to do and where to be. Thanks.

Well, this is NOT a "Pathan Bashing" forum.
But it´s definitly NOT a "Pathan" forum either.

It´s a place of Pashtuns/Pakhtuns/Afghans to come together, for people who have a common history, heritage, language, culture and identity.

People who praise an anti-Pashtun entity (also known as Pakistan) are at the wrong place by definition and not because we don´t like them here.

[Shayesta]

^ If this forum isn't meant for Pakistan Pukhtoons then there was no need to create an Pukhtoon forum; Afghan forums is full of such posts against Pakistan, as is Pakistani forums against Afghans. No?

You repeat yourself.

And yet you guys don't get it, do you? Admin felt previously that everything was taken under control by the moderators because of which he didn't react to this forum. This time even the moderators asked for his input.

And once again, the problem isn't the criticism. It's the offensive posts directed towards members and their nationality which is the problem. Now let's not start again, and stay on topic at least this time.

[Michin Khel]

when pashtuns were discussing the young man killed by pakistani rangers, these honourable patans were saying why do pashtun make such a big deal of a murder of a non-pashtun, now when we talk about pashtun been killed, these patans have excuses with no solid reasons. these killings are happening with pakistani support. if you guys cant bare the truth dont waste your time here go your pakistani forum.

Ofcourse i discuss serious issues in details on Pakistani forums....I visit this forum because i am a pashtun and i feel close to pashtuns of afghanistan. I dont come here to collect sympathies from you guys that pashtuns are getting killed by MQM and others in Pakistan..

[Michin Khel]

Well, this is NOT a "Pathan Bashing" forum.
But it´s definitly NOT a "Pathan" forum either.

It´s a place of Pashtuns/Pakhtuns/Afghans to come together, for people who have a common history, heritage, language, culture and identity.

People who praise an anti-Pashtun entity (also known as Pakistan) are at the wrong place by definition and not because we don´t like them here.

Well Pakistan is part of our identity and history. If you dont accept pakistani pashtuns as part of pashtunforums then doors of afghan-forums are also open for you.

[MostafaM]

^ If this forum isn't meant for Pakistan Pukhtoons then there was no need to create an Pukhtoon forum; Afghan forums is full of such posts against Pakistan, as is Pakistani forums against Afghans. No?


And yet you guys don't get it, do you? Admin felt previously that everything was taken under control by the moderators because of which he didn't react to this forum. This time even the moderators asked for his input.

And once again, the problem isn't the criticism. It's the offensive posts directed towards members and their nationality which is the problem. Now let's not start again, and stay on topic at least this time.

Once again: we got it and rejected your claim.
Do you get that?

Since when are Pashtuns and their "Pathanized brothers" on the Indian subcontinent such cry-babies that mere polemics makes them loose their temper?

A national identity (a Pakistani national identity) that mocks and contests the basic principle of being Pashtun by culture, history, language and heritage will be refuted by the people here.

Simple as that! The reason is that Pashtuns here try to preserve their identity while the "Pathanized" version of bein Pashtun is not considered as part of our heritage.

Do you really think that not a single person with 1 ml of Pashtun blood in him will raise his voice against that?

Come on, I really think you have better things to do than siding with stupidity!

[MostafaM]

Well Pakistan is part of our identity and history. If you dont accept pakistani pashtuns as part of pashtunforums then doors of afghan-forums are also open for you.

Your problem is that you do not grasp the concept of a basic thing:

Afghan and Pashtun are synonyms in their ethnical connotation.


You attach yourself to a created national identity of Pakistan and sideline your real heritage of Pashtun/Afghan.
Good for you, but no one cares.

Afghanforum or Pashtunforum, both are the same.

[Michin Khel]

Your problem is that you do not grasp the concept of a basic thing:

Afghan and Pashtun are synonyms in their ethnical connotation.


You attach yourself to a created national identity of Pakistan and sideline your real heritage of Pashtun/Afghan.
Good for you, but no one cares.

Afghanforum or Pashtunforum, both are the same.

No one in KP or FATA call himself/herself afghan.....nowadays afghan means citizen of Afghanistan, he/she can be pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara. I am a Pashtun by ethncity and pakistani by nationality. If you dont accept 30 million pashtuns of Pakistan or you dont care about them then it is your personal thinking.....most of afghans are not like you.

[MostafaM]

Listen Aab-e Hayat,

first, your name here is Farsi/Dari. What do you wanna express with that? Your deep historical bond with the 65 year old history of "Pakistan"?

Second, speak for yourself. You do not know everyone in KP or FATA. As far as the various tribes in FATA are concerend, they definitly call themselves Afghans or Pashtuns. I have family there and they know that Afghan and Pashtun means the same.

Third, nowadays we live in the age of "nation states", Afghanistan as the birthplace of Pashtun/Afghan heritage with it´s Pashtun dynasties who shaped that country is a place where citizens of different ethnic backgrounds live. They are "Afghan citizens", their ethnicity Tajik, Usbak or Hazara is noted in their ID card as well.

Fourth, I said I do not care about YOUR fake identity.
I didn´t say I do not care about my Pashtun people.
You need to learn to differentiate between what people write and what you would want them to write.

[Michin Khel]

Listen Aab-e Hayat,

first, your name here is Farsi/Dari. What do you wanna express with that? Your deep historical bond with the 65 year old history of "Pakistan"?

Second, speak for yourself. You do not know everyone in KP or FATA. As far as the various tribes in FATA are concerend, they definitly call themselves Afghans or Pashtuns. I have family there and they know that Afghan and Pashtun means the same.

Third, nowadays we live in the age of "nation states", Afghanistan as the birthplace of Pashtun/Afghan heritage with it´s Pashtun dynasties who shaped that country is a place where citizens of different ethnic backgrounds live. They are "Afghan citizens", their ethnicity Tajik, Usbak or Hazara is noted in their ID card as well.

Fourth, I said I do not care about YOUR fake identity.
I didn´t say I do not care about my Pashtun people.
You need to learn to differentiate between what people write and what you would want them to write.

Aab-e-hayat is a urdu word.....
When you visit pakistan then be my guest, together we will check how much word afghan is used in daily life and talks... word Afghan is limited to literature...
Yes technically we are afghans/pashtuns by ethnicity but nowadays this term is misused by afghans to misguide pashtuns of pakistan with attempts to make them rebellious against state.

[Admin Khan]

Brother Mostafa,

Assalam-Alaikum.

Ich hoffe, Sie sind bei guter Gesundheit. Ich freue mich in eine gute Diskussion mit Ihnen.

The point Shayesta was trying to make was using curse words isnt the proper way of expressing distaste. And unfortunately, we do have an array of members who suffer from the aforementioned disease. You may feel free to constructively criticize me, Pakistan, Kandahar or Frankfurt. However, there is a certain algorithm behind fruitful discussions, and thats something most members lack. No one, and I think you would know this by now, will ask you to refrain from voicing your thoughts. We are generally a very open forum. If you, yourself, read through the thousands of posts made by Shayesta khor, you will quickly realize that her ideologies line up with yours. She too, is the first to debate with Pakistanis that attempt to malign and marginalize the Pashtuns of Afghanistan. In fact, Ive seen her write essays in defense of Pashtuns. So if anything, both of you should be working together, since you have common goals. I too, however, understand the message behind your posts. No one can deny that historically, Afghan means Pashtun. Anyone who wants to be oblivious of the aforementioned connotation is living in a deep ignorant state of mind. In fact, the A in Pakistan means Afghans, the alternative name for Pashtuns. And a proposed name for NWFP was Afghania, and our language Pashto, according to many dictionaries is also known as Afghani. With that said, I rest my case. I personally welcome you here, and I hope you can understand that Shayesta as a moderator, just does not want our professional forum here associated with junky posts. We can all obviously sit here and curse Pakistan as much as we want, but that makes us appear cheap. We should be embracing Pashtuns of Pakistan, and requesting them to stay so they can understand our thought process. Asking them to leave, if coming from anyone, is counter-productive and it goes against the basics of this forum. I created this forum so we can all learn. If a Pashtun of Lakki Marwat joins, I want him to learn about his past. I want him to learn about his culture and language, since I obviously know that Pashto and history isnt taught in his school. We need to work together in educating our people. Aab-e-Hayat is our dear brother, and when necessary, we need to poitely educate him.

Caveat:
I am not implying that you have been rude. My post is a very generic one aimed at everyone, not just you. We have a great platform here, lets work on advancing it. :-)

[MostafaM]

Aab-e-hayat is a urdu word.....
When you visit pakistan then be my guest, together we will check how much word afghan is used in daily life and talks... word Afghan is limited to literature...
Yes technically we are afghans/pashtuns by ethnicity but nowadays this term is misused by afghans to misguide pashtuns of pakistan with attempts to make them rebellious against state.

I can assure you that neither "Aab-e Hayat" nor the Pakisani national anthem have a single Urdu word in them.

Aab means "water" in Farsi.
Hayat means "Life".


If the bombardments, the incursions, the neglect of your areas, the killing and the assimilation of your people IS NOT ENOUGH to rebel, then I rest my case. I do not think that a Pashtun would use a Farsi/Dari expression to give himself a name while mistaking Farsi expressions for Urdu,...a language and culture that was forced on him.

I am a regular guest in Kurram where I have alot of family (the Mangal tribe is located there on the imaginary border) and be assured that I have encountered many people who call themselves Afghan/Pashtun.

I haven´t met a "Pathan" there but I guess my words do not fit your world view.

[MostafaM]

Brother Mostafa,

Assalam-Alaikum.

Ich hoffe, Sie sind bei guter Gesundheit. Ich freue mich in eine gute Diskussion mit Ihnen.

The point Shayesta was trying to make was using curse words isnt the proper way of expressing distaste. And unfortunately, we do have an array of members who suffer from the aforementioned disease. You may feel free to constructively criticize me, Pakistan, Kandahar or Frankfurt. However, there is a certain algorithm behind fruitful discussions, and thats something most members lack. No one, and I think you would know this by now, will ask you to refrain from voicing your thoughts. We are generally a very open forum. If you, yourself, read through the thousands of posts made by Shayesta khor, you will quickly realize that her ideologies line up with yours. She too, is the first to debate with Pakistanis that attempt to malign and marginalize the Pashtuns of Afghanistan. In fact, Ive seen her write essays in defense of Pashtuns. So if anything, both of you should be working together, since you have common goals. I too, however, understand the message behind your posts. No one can deny that historically, Afghan means Pashtun. Anyone who wants to be oblivious of the aforementioned connotation is living in a deep ignorant state of mind. In fact, the A in Pakistan means Afghans, the alternative name for Pashtuns. And a proposed name for NWFP was Afghania, and our language Pashto, according to many dictionaries is also known as Afghani. With that said, I rest my case. I personally welcome you here, and I hope you can understand that Shayesta as a moderator, just does not want our professional forum here associated with junky posts. We can all obviously sit here and curse Pakistan as much as we want, but that makes us appear cheap. We should be embracing Pashtuns of Pakistan, and requesting them to stay so they can understand our thought process. Asking them to leave, if coming from anyone, is counter-productive and it goes against the basics of this forum. I created this forum so we can all learn. If a Pashtun of Lakki Marwat joins, I want him to learn about his past. I want him to learn about his culture and language, since I obviously know that Pashto and history isnt taught in his school. We need to work together in educating our people. Aab-e-Hayat is our dear brother, and when necessary, we need to poitely educate him.

Caveat:
I am not implying that you have been rude. My post is a very generic one aimed at everyone, not just you. We have a great platform here, lets work on advancing it. :-)

Walekum salam Admin wrora,

ich danke Ihnen recht herzlich für ihre freundlichen Worte und ihre durchaus zuvorkommenden Willkommensgrüße. Etwas anderes hätte ich von einem Paschtunen/Afghanen, dem die Gastfreundschaft (Melmastia) wichtig ist, nicht erwartet.

I agree 100% on the points you made. I am definitly not here to exchange bad words or insults because that´s not how I was brought up nor do I think this a effective way to conduct with people.

Shayesta´s ideology or world view is not something I am familiar with because I am new but thanks for informing me. I thought that her words and actions here were that of a Pashtana who sides with brain-washed Pathan community on the other side of the imposed border.

I am looking forward to participate, learn and interact with my fellow Pashtuns worldwide.

[Michin Khel]

I can assure you that neither "Aab-e Hayat" nor the Pakisani national anthem have a single Urdu word in them.

Aab means "water" in Farsi.
Hayat means "Life".


If the bombardments, the incursions, the neglect of your areas, the killing and the assimilation of your people IS NOT ENOUGH to rebel, then I rest my case. I do not think that a Pashtun word use a Farsi/Dari expression to give himself a name while mistaking Farsi expressions for Urdu,...a language and culture that was forced on him.

I am a regular guest in Kurram where I have alot of family (the Mangal tribe is located there on the imaginary border) and be assured that I have encountered many people who call themselves Afghan/Pashtun.

I have´t met a "Pathan" there.

Dont lecture me about urdu. Urdu is combination of farsi, arabic and sanskrit and 22 other langauges....aab-e-hayat i a urdu word and urdu is national language of all pakistanis including 30 million pashtuns.

I can also say that you should not speak with me in language of farangis if you are so much conscious about language