Anti Pakistan protests in Kabul

[شمله ور خراساني]

dancing and singing? do the people in the pics i posted look like they are dancing and singing?

like minded muslims who take to the street to condemn an evil action is not condemning evil to u?

in ur earlier post u advocate invading pakistan and using force while undoubtably means killing people, but people in the street who chant slogans against said enemy is unislamic to u?

lol pro suicide bombing and anti protest, amazing outlook u got there.

Are all protests like the one you posted in the video?

Condemning evil can be in so many different ways. Protesting is not one of them. Since condemning evil is an essential part of the religion. And as I told you before, Islam is a complete religion and therefore, nothing is left out. So even for condemning evil we have our guidelines.

Since the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam did not hold marches and protests and neither did his companions, it is obvious that protests are not from Islam.

Otherwise Allah would have lied when Allah said: " Today I have perfected your religion".

By saying that protests are condemnging evil, you must provide evidence from Quran and Sunnah that protests are a legitimate way of condemning evil. Since there is no evidence for it, it means that this is an innovation in the religion.

The Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam could have protested. It is not like protests were not invented 1400 years ago.

So every innovation in religion is a misguidance and every misguidance leads to hell fire.

Using force is however a legitimate way of fighting evil. However, preventing unnecessary casualties is a condition of this particular act of worship. Therefore, fighting is permissible, but only if you have the power and means to do it as efficient and as effective as possible.

If not, then speak out against is, but follow the Sunnah in the way you speak out. Don't immitate Marxists.

[randolph85]

all of what protests? i am not talking sodomite rights protests in new york or tel aviv. i am talking anti US/paki protests by afghans, how much dancing and singing do u see in those?

so according to islam an individual may condemn evil by their words by themselves but are not allowed to do it in public alongside other muslims? whatt?

the sahaba didnt use the internet, youtube, suicide bombs, or guns either so what are u doing in the islam section posting anti sufi videos and supporting people who do what the prophet didnt?

my laptop isnt "from islam" but i am pretty sure that using it is not unislamic.

[Nokia_Apridy]

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[شمله ور خراساني]

all of what protests? i am not talking sodomite rights protests in new york or tel aviv. i am talking anti US/paki protests by afghans, how much dancing and singing do u see in those?

so according to islam an individual may condemn evil by their words by themselves but are not allowed to do it in public alongside other muslims? whatt?

the sahaba didnt use the internet, youtube, suicide bombs, or guns either so what are u doing in the islam section posting anti sufi videos and supporting people who do what the prophet didnt?

my laptop isnt "from islam" but i am pretty sure that using it is not unislamic.

Randolph,

You seem to have a problem with understanding what innovation means in religious context.

There are 2 kinds of innovations, generally speaking.

There are those innovations that innovate something new into the religion. For example, the prayer. The prayer at Dhohr time ( mid day) is 4 rak'ah fard. Suppose someone says, you know what? I feel like extending it to 7. This person changes the religion by innovating something that is not from the religion. Or... Suppose someone wants to fast. And this person starts fasting entire month of Sha'ban. And then he goes around saying that if someone fasts the whole month of Sha'ban he will receive this much or that much reward from Allah.

In both cases, people have invented something into the religion which was not revealed in Quran and Sunnah. Therefore these are the exact same type of innovations the Prophet Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wasalam was talking about when he said:

and the worst of affairs are the newly invented matters (in the Religion) and every newly invented matter is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray and every going astray is in the Fire.

Now, as for the second type of innovation, we can say that it is an innovation in worldly matters. You mentioned internet and laptop computers. These items are general products.

And general products are like donkeys, camels or cars and motorbikes. They do not change the religion. Neither do they add something to the shape or content of the religion.

So if I write a piece of text where I explain the concept of innovation and I send it to you, it wont change much from typing it down and posting it on the internet.

A few Muslims gathering and chanting slogans and carrying banners is not the same as dancing and singing while being intoxicated.

However, recently we've witnessed protests all across middle east where copts and jews alongside Muslims where singing and waving hands and dancing to the rhythms of darbuka's demanding Mubarak to leave.

And before that, people were playing drums in Kabul and chanting slogans and some were intoxicated when they protested against the fraudulent elections.

You can deny all you want, but protests are usually accompanied with music and free mixing of genders.

Plus, you totally ignored my initial post where I told you about objectives of a demonstration.

The objectives of a demonstration is to bring justice. And since justice is an Islamic matter, achiving it cannot be through un-Islamic means.

Again, ends do not justify the means in Islam. Islam is not a religion of DYI. It is a religion based on Quran and Sunnah. REVELATION! Not Marxist REVOLUTIONS.

[randolph85]

u seem to be confused in comparing pillars of the religion such as fasting and prayer to things not as clear cut. u say just because the prophet did not do something, then if someone does what he didnt then it is unislamic. u seem to be stuck in comparing the situations and politics of nearly 1400 years ago to modern circumstances. and no, i dont mean "oh well that was a long time ago and religion doesnt apply today," i mean that the political and social circumstances have changed not only from 1400 years ago but even from a few decades ago.

people protest today now more than ever not because they are immitating non muslims but because they are less likely to be slaughtered than they would of been in the past. people can protest in afghanistan against the government which would of been unthinkable under the taliban, the mujahadin, the communists, or even zahir shah without being worried about the govenment killing thousands of them and dumping their bodies in a ditch.

now u are singling out the entire concept of public protest because there are some protests in which people are committing non islamic acts? do u condemn the concept of militaries because the west allows faggots into their armed forces? do u condemn jihad because some supposed mujahadin commit unislamic crimes?

i have not ignored ur post about the objectives of demonstrations, as u said it is to bring justice or to bring awareness to it. i have provided a hadith in which the prophet says we must condemn evil with our words if we can. this is what this protest in the pics i have posted is trying to accomplish, there is no mingling of the sexes, no song and dance, and no pointless violence. how is this not an act that conforms to islam?

if the act of a public war is permitted in islam in order to bring about justice that conforms to islam, than the act of public protest would be permitted as well for the same objectives. if we cant use our hands then we use our voices.

[شمله ور خراساني]

u seem to be confused in comparing pillars of the religion such as fasting and prayer to things not as clear cut. u say just because the prophet did not do something, then if someone does what he didnt then it is unislamic. u seem to be stuck in comparing the situations and politics of nearly 1400 years ago to modern circumstances. and no, i dont mean "oh well that was a long time ago and religion doesnt apply today," i mean that the political and social circumstances have changed not only from 1400 years ago but even from a few decades ago.

people protest today now more than ever not because they are immitating non muslims but because they are less likely to be slaughtered than they would of been in the past. people can protest in afghanistan against the government which would of been unthinkable under the taliban, the mujahadin, the communists, or even zahir shah without being worried about the govenment killing thousands of them and dumping their bodies in a ditch.

now u are singling out the entire concept of public protest because there are some protests in which people are committing non islamic acts? do u condemn the concept of militaries because the west allows faggots into their armed forces? do u condemn jihad because some supposed mujahadin commit unislamic crimes?

i have not ignored ur post about the objectives of demonstrations, as u said it is to bring justice or to bring awareness to it. i have provided a hadith in which the prophet says we must condemn evil with our words if we can. this is what this protest in the pics i have posted is trying to accomplish, there is no mingling of the sexes, no song and dance, and no pointless violence. how is this not an act that conforms to islam?

if the act of a public war is permitted in islam in order to bring about justice that conforms to islam, than the act of public protest would be permitted as well for the same objectives. if we cant use our hands then we use our voices.

I've tried to explain something to you but it seems as if you are not willing to understand. Or it could be that I am doing a lousy job at explaining.

Anyhow, I've learned how to deal with innovations. And for that I have studied verses of Quran related to this subject and ahadeeth. Plus allot of commentary from classic scholars and modern scholars.

For me it is very clear and simple.

I advice you to do the same thing. Instead of arguing with me, invest more time in serious studies of your religion. To you it sounds silly when I say that protests are un-Islamic. But I am sure you are smart enough to understand it better if you thoroughly research this matter and see all the evidence from Quran and Sunnah.

For now, I am leaving this as it is. because more discussion won't do us any good since we are on two different frequencies.

Waslaam!

[gadoonwal]

This protest organised by persains is not for the interest of afghanistan but to keep hold on power.The west is on the run mean persains could lose the power to talibs.Talibs are backed by pakistan and wheovere is related to talb is pakistani.The answer to this problem is to stop bieng pupet of pakistan,iran,india and west and work as one nation for the best interest of the country.
Lets not hope for it but,
Civil war in afghanistan is going to start in the near future.
Punjsheris and other persains never want pashtun dominated govt, whether it is under the baner of talibs or els.
Any pashtun challenging their authority is pakistani.
Punjsehris are backed by iran,india,russai and the west.
pashtuns are not smart enought to play their card.
They are under the talib baner which is backed by pakistan .

The punjsheris think that the persains are patriotics and others are pupet of pakistan.
In simple words whoever challegne their authority is pakistani.
As far as pashtu in afghanistan so to be true afghan and patriotic, speak farsi and write it.
pashtu is the sign of division and farsi a symbol of unity according to persains and their slaves.
Whoever write in pashtu is Fascists and not a true afghan.
It is not the persain to get blame but those persainised pashtuns are not less.
I know a very nice afghan-pashtun from jalal abad but poor guy was not good in persain so his fellow pashtun from afghanistan called him pakistani and peshawarai.
It is a shame how pashtun persanised and politicaly lost to others.
Lets hope whoever rule over afghanistan stop this blame game and work for the unity.
pakistan and other key players will continue their interferance but afghans can stop this by working for their interest .

Pashtuns are not in position to go for another war therefore it is in the best interest of pashtun to be part of democratic system and work side by side with persains .
The top positions, in army and other ministries are in the hands of punjsheris and co .
Even people like wardag is a pupet of N/A.
Bismillah khan muhammadi ,fahim,khalili are on top of the list.They are the one rulling afghanistan with the backing of their spritual guide like khan ismal khan herati and akai rabani .
Pashtuns should get rid of this ,talib,,brand name and be part of the system.
That way they can be in peace with other ethnic group of afghanistan.
It present pashtuns have 2 options
Be part of the system no matter who rule afghanistan
or support talibs and get ready for another civil war with persains.
If talib came into power their is a great chance the country could split into pieces.

[randolph85]

I've tried to explain something to you but it seems as if you are not willing to understand. Or it could be that I am doing a lousy job at explaining.

Anyhow, I've learned how to deal with innovations. And for that I have studied verses of Quran related to this subject and ahadeeth. Plus allot of commentary from classic scholars and modern scholars.

For me it is very clear and simple.

I advice you to do the same thing. Instead of arguing with me, invest more time in serious studies of your religion. To you it sounds silly when I say that protests are un-Islamic. But I am sure you are smart enough to understand it better if you thoroughly research this matter and see all the evidence from Quran and Sunnah.

For now, I am leaving this as it is. because more discussion won't do us any good since we are on two different frequencies.

Waslaam!

agree to disagree

[Azmal]

They should burn the Porkistani embassy...just like during Sardar E Shyed Doud khan time.

[Azmal]

they are probably Panjsheris. And by Pakistan they imply Pashtuns.

Paki germs, the protest were organized by Anti-NA Najib Kabuli….how could you forget all the victims are Pashton. All Afghans are getting united against Porkistanis and you as porkistani lap dogs are getting nervous.

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[graveyardofempires]

This protest organised by persains is not for the interest of afghanistan but to keep hold on power.The west is on the run mean persains could lose the power to talibs.Talibs are backed by pakistan and wheovere is related to talb is pakistani.The answer to this problem is to stop bieng pupet of pakistan,iran,india and west and work as one nation for the best interest of the country.
Lets not hope for it but,
Civil war in afghanistan is going to start in the near future.
Punjsheris and other persains never want pashtun dominated govt, whether it is under the baner of talibs or els.
Any pashtun challenging their authority is pakistani.
Punjsehris are backed by iran,india,russai and the west.
pashtuns are not smart enought to play their card.
They are under the talib baner which is backed by pakistan .

The punjsheris think that the persains are patriotics and others are pupet of pakistan.
In simple words whoever challegne their authority is pakistani.
As far as pashtu in afghanistan so to be true afghan and patriotic, speak farsi and write it.
pashtu is the sign of division and farsi a symbol of unity according to persains and their slaves.
Whoever write in pashtu is Fascists and not a true afghan.
It is not the persain to get blame but those persainised pashtuns are not less.
I know a very nice afghan-pashtun from jalal abad but poor guy was not good in persain so his fellow pashtun from afghanistan called him pakistani and peshawarai.
It is a shame how pashtun persanised and politicaly lost to others.
Lets hope whoever rule over afghanistan stop this blame game and work for the unity.
pakistan and other key players will continue their interferance but afghans can stop this by working for their interest .

Pashtuns are not in position to go for another war therefore it is in the best interest of pashtun to be part of democratic system and work side by side with persains .
The top positions, in army and other ministries are in the hands of punjsheris and co .
Even people like wardag is a pupet of N/A.
Bismillah khan muhammadi ,fahim,khalili are on top of the list.They are the one rulling afghanistan with the backing of their spritual guide like khan ismal khan herati and akai rabani .
Pashtuns should get rid of this ,talib,,brand name and be part of the system.
That way they can be in peace with other ethnic group of afghanistan.
It present pashtuns have 2 options
Be part of the system no matter who rule afghanistan
or support talibs and get ready for another civil war with persains.
If talib came into power their is a great chance the country could split into pieces.

very creative way of condoning the killing of my people in Kunar and denfending pakistan.
anything for the agenda,right?

[Michin Khel]

LOl it is very small rally.......some northern alliance guys

[Shehbaz Khan]

Protesting wont help. Besides protest and demonstrations are immitations of kaafirs.

What we need is invasion of Pakistan. Pakistan must be dealt with with force not with shouting and slogans.

Invasion of Pakistan by your Talib Priends ?? :O

What we need is to look within ourselves (Both Pakistan and Afghanistan) sit side by side (As we need each other) understand each other and solve our problems so that people on both sides of the Durand could live peacefully

[graveyardofempires]

What is this durand you are reffering to?

Durand was baba of his baba yee qawm

[gadoonwal]

very creative way of condoning the killing of my people in Kunar and denfending pakistan.
anything for the agenda,right?

not me,it is you defending paki talibs.i call on all afghans to be part of the system and stop bieng pupet of others.
as far as attack on kunar so i will be more then happy if afghan destroy the paki forces but not my civilain pashtuns on both side of durandline.
where are karzai,s NATO freinds here?
The Nato killing innocents pashtuns why do,nt they kill pak army attacking afghans?
can you answer this why?
The leader afghan -pashtun follow like gulbudin,haqani,mula omar etc are the pupet of pakistan so why do,nt you people ask your leaders this?
you are calling names to pakistan while your own leaders including karzai are on the ISI payroll.
stoppppppppppppppppppppppppppp bieng pupet of others and clean your own backyard.
the pakistani,indains,west and iran all playing their card on your soil.

Everyone will killl and use you until you people stop being pupet of others.
i am waiting afghan airforce attack ,,sargoda,,airbase in punjab.