Afghans Ready to Retaliate Against Pakistan Missile Attacks

[unknownprince]

so either way, the ttp are liars or the paki "experts" are liars.

and US-NATO is innocent, and is telling the truth. KPF would never stage attacks to promote further war against Pashtuns. USNATO and NDS are all honest. They would never stage cross border raids to further their failed agenda.

LOL

[randolph85]

and US-NATO is innocent, and is telling the truth. KPF would never stage attacks to promote further war against Pashtuns. USNATO and NDS are all honest. They would never stage cross border raids to further their failed agenda.

LOL

telling the truth? they havent even commented on it.

u have 2 sides who have commented on it, the ttp which have claimed responsibility, and the paki experts who blame it on afghans.

one side is lying. for some reason u say the ttp didnt do it but dont want to call them liars.

[unknownprince]

[QUOTE=randolph85;476195]

telling the truth? they havent even commented on it.

Im talking about your perspective. It appears to me you don't want to believe that US and their NDS/KPF backed groups staged Dir attacks when all indications point to them. Only the US benefits from a Pakistani offensive against Pashtuns, something you continue to ignore. Only the US benefits from Pakistan shelling of Afghanistan.

u have 2 sides who have commented on it, the ttp which have claimed responsibility,

from a common sense perspective, if this was a staged operation in which KPF poses as Afghan militants, then they would create confusion. Thats the whole point of a covert operation. In covert operations, there are informants and what have you.

and the paki experts who blame it on afghans.

the few Pakistani officials blamed the US and Kabul government.

one side is lying. for some reason u say the ttp didnt do it but dont want to call them liars.

It is not all black and white, but gray. There are people that are called spies. Spies like Raymond Davis were gathering intelligence. People gather intelligence with informants. Who did the Peshawar blast? Who did the hospital blast in Afghanistan? Even Karzai has implicated Blackwater in terrorist attacks in Afghanistan. More people are realizing who is behind this.

I don't now. You are either confused by what is going on, or you don't want to accept that USNATO and their KPF buddies are capable of doing this. The assumption is that you think they are very honest and straightforward.

Whatever one wants to believe, the intended result of this is to force a Pakistani full-scale offensive against Pashtuns in order to have two wars against Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand. Pakistan is not interested in a full scale war against Pashtuns, not out of love, but simply due to lack of interest.

This is not new. This game has been played on Pashtuns before.

Let me add this. You have an obsession with Pakistan for all the wrong reasons I think. They play a double game, and have supported the USNATO failed war. You attempt to separate Pakistan from USNATO in some regards.

[randolph85]

Im talking about your perspective. It appears to me you don't want to believe that US and their NDS/KPF backed groups staged Dir attacks when all indications point to them. Only the US benefits from a Pakistani offensive against Pashtuns, something you continue to ignore. Only the US benefits from Pakistan shelling of Afghanistan.

in case u didn't notice, the paki govt and ttp have been at war for years now.

how does the US benefit from increased chaos in afg? they are losing the war and want to leave while keeping the house of cards in afg intact to justify their military commitment in the country while not looking embarrassed.

from a common sense perspective, if this was a staged operation in which KPF poses as Afghan militants, then they would create confusion. Thats the whole point of a covert operation. In covert operations, there are informants and what have you.

according to the afghan taliban, this was an internal paki matter. according to the paki taliban, this was their work. so if this is what u say it is, both of these groups are lying.

the few Pakistani officials blamed the US and Kabul government.

that u happen to agree with for some reason...

It is not all black and white, but gray. There are people that are called spies. Spies like Raymond Davis were gathering intelligence. People gather intelligence with informants. Who did the Peshawar blast? Who did the hospital blast in Afghanistan? Even Karzai has implicated Blackwater in terrorist attacks in Afghanistan. More people are realizing who is behind this.

I don't now. You are either confused by what is going on, or you don't want to accept that USNATO and their KPF buddies are capable of doing this. The assumption is that you think they are very honest and straightforward.

Whatever one wants to believe, the intended result of this is to force a Pakistani full-scale offensive against Pashtuns in order to have two wars against Pashtuns on both sides of the Durrand. Pakistan is not interested in a full scale war against Pashtuns, not out of love, but simply due to lack of interest.

This is not new. This game has been played on Pashtuns before.

of course the truth is black or white.

either the ttp are lying or they are not.

[unknownprince]

[QUOTE=randolph85;476200]

in case u didn't notice, the paki govt and ttp have been at war for years now.

how does the US benefit from increased chaos in afg? they are losing the war and want to leave while keeping the house of cards in afg intact to justify their military commitment in the country while not looking embarrassed.

Again, here it is. You think the US are some innocent player here. They know very well that Afghans want them out. Are you trying to say that the more Afghans fight, the more the US is inclined to stay to "justify" their military engagement. If Afghans did not fight the Russians, the Russians would still be there today. This is absurd. The US does not care about Afghan stability if it does not serve their purpose. The US is fully aware that their presence is the cause for the instability in the country.

according to the afghan taliban, this was an internal paki matter. according to the paki taliban, this was their work. so if this is what u say it is, both of these groups are lying

. Ok, USNATO and KPF are not conducting covert operations. Every single indication of this has been made up by the ISI.



that u happen to agree with for some reason...

of course the truth is black or white.

either the ttp are lying or they are not

Already addressed this. You have shown that you want to believe the USNATO, NDS, and this little KPF have no interests in staging attacks.

All this rests on a premise that you hold USNATO to be an honest organization that seeks Afghan stability and security even if that is not on their terms.

[unknownprince]

as before, I have wasted time talking to you.

You can continue to think USNATO wants Afghan stability even if it is not on their terms (which by the way- will never happen)

This is absurd.

[randolph85]

yes, nato wants afghan stability so it can leave and save face. if it didnt, it wouldnt bother looking for talib talks.

it was nice chatting with u unknownprince. i know u have isi family members but try to look outside the box, and not blame afghans.

lol @ u denying ttp claims yet not wanting to call them liars.

[Michin Khel]

It is clear that Pakistan is holding back against afghanistan....we cant afford another enemy neighbor....

[Alchemist]

randolf,

you are naive to think that merika wants to leave Afg.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'll have to disagree on Randolph with this one; if NATO wanted stability they wouldn't come in and destabilize the place by instigating yet ANOTHER war, all because America's ego was hurt.

What NATO is doing now is make it seem that they have cosmetically achieved "Mission Accomplished" the actual stability is another matter, not on their check list.

[unknownprince]

[QUOTE=randolph85;476203]

yes, nato wants afghan stability so it can leave and save face. if it didnt, it wouldnt bother looking for talib talks.

No, US-NATO is begging for talks because they have no other choice. SO the real problem here is that you believe that USNATO wants Afghanistan to be stable. You effectively are showing that you refuse to believe that USNATO-NDS- KPF would ever stage attacks, as if they are somehow innocent. These are the same people who conduct night raids and airstrikes. All evidence points to them.

and not blame afghans.

I did not know that Americans were Afghans? DO you consider USNATO Afghans? KPF is a force that serves America Im sure you understand that this war is specifically against Pashtuns.

lol @ u denying ttp claims yet not wanting to call them liars

LOL at you saying the USNATO wants Afghanistan to be stable.

Its says AshrafGhaljay. Lets look at your Pakistan obsession which is all for the WRONG reasons. you have this obsession on Pakistan which is similar to Amarulleh Saleh. You see Amarulleh Saleh does NOT OPPOSE Pakistan due to the supply routes that they allow for USNATO war, BUT because he says they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan, and that they are the reason the war has failed. How insulting to Afghans? He means to say that Afghans do not resent foreigners at all.His position is that there should be continued fighting against Pashtuns, and that has happened, but nothing gained to him. According to him, the people in Afghanistan who are and have always been opposed to foreign intervention are working for Pakistan, and wave the Pakistani flag. You see, I am opposed to Pakistan's support for the USNATO war. I am opposed to their support for drone attacks. Someone like me has a completely different reason to be opposed to Pakistan- it is because of their continued support for the US-NATO war. I am opposed to foreign intervention. You on the other hand are saying that USNATO wants stability in Afghanistan >>> this reveals why you refuse to accept that they are possibly behind these staged acts. So in other words, you have a good opinion of them. You again think they are a stabilizing force. Please tell that to someone in KP and FATA who lost family to drone attacks. Go to Helmand or Paktia, and tell that to someone who lost family in night raids and airstrikes. They do not want stability if it does not serve their purpose. So they will try everything to create more chaos before they leave.

[randolph85]

I'll have to disagree on Randolph with this one; if NATO wanted stability they wouldn't come in and destabilize the place by instigating yet ANOTHER war, all because America's ego was hurt.

What NATO is doing now is make it seem that they have cosmetically achieved "Mission Accomplished" the actual stability is another matter, not on their check list.

their mission accomplished depends on leaving intact a delicate house of cards. what happens afterwards, they have no interest in. in order to justify their war, they must do this. why else would they bother negotiating with the taliban? certainly they could up and leave right now and it would make no difference to them. but if they do that, it leaves a stain on natos international rep and ego. something they cant afford considering the problems between member nations in afg and libya.

[randolph85]

randolf,

you are naive to think that merika wants to leave Afg.

naive? i think and know america wants to leave afghanistan to save money, more meathead deaths, and complications in the inter-nato relationship. leaving does not imply that they dont want bases in the country. its about leaving behind a stable client state that can serve its needs, like iraq.

[randolph85]

i dont think unknownprince knows what the point of an occupation is. its to create stability and put down opposition under the occupying powers hegemony. there would be no point in occupation otherwise.

[unknownprince]

You are a simple idiot. You think USNATO wants stability for Afghanistan. They do not want stability if it is not on their terms, and it will never be on their terms.

it is quite foolish to believe that there are talks going on too.