Afghans Ready to Retaliate Against Pakistan Missile Attacks

[graveyardofempires]

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excuse me your highness.

do you think its ok for Pakistanis to kill my people in Kunar (over a dozen children)?
you think that no matter what happens we should watch out and play this game.
there is something called justice,badal and if it was phatan who shot those missiles than they too have to pay for it,or do you think thats not ok?

[Azmaray]

LETS fight those mother ****ers :@
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Digital Malang]

Afghan-Pak war is never going to happen.
Afghanistan cannot live without Pakistan and Pakistan cannot live without Afghanistan and that is the truth whether people believe it or not.

We get all the food supplies from Pak, from oil to flour, from vegetables to fruits. Afghanistan doesn't have anything of herself. Just closing the border will be a disaster for Afghans.

[KingKhan]

This is going to be stupid, fighting. It's only going to take place in the East/FATA, and KP. So you know whose going to suffer the most.

Pakistan is playing a game right now.

[Manzareh]

IMO its the west causing trouble between muslims, they want us to kill each other off. i soppose thats the reason why nationalism is haraam cuz it makes brothers fight brothers

[KingKhan]

I agree to am extent. I don't belief it's only the west. Pakistan is doing the firing, it seems they want to stir the pot, and see what Afghanistan is going to do about it.

[Haris]

If there was a war certain powers would ensure it would last for as long as possible (namely India, Iran and possibly America, for various reasons).

I do not believe now would be the right time for a war.
Pakistan is not even using all of its resources, just a few missiles. I am sure they could do much worse especially if it is them who are in the defensive position. Yes we have an equipped army but look at the state of it. Afghan fighting spirit alone in my opinion wouldn't be enough to make a full scale invasion succsesful lol.

But I heavily doubt this will even escalate into a war. The Pakistanis are playing games here but I fail to see what their overall motive is.

[Nick]

Afghan-Pak war is never going to happen.
Afghanistan cannot live without Pakistan and Pakistan cannot live without Afghanistan and that is the truth whether people believe it or not.

We get all the food supplies from Pak, from oil to flour, from vegetables to fruits. Afghanistan doesn't have anything of herself. Just closing the border will be a disaster for Afghans.

Brother while agree with everything u said but totally disagree with this part ------> Pakistan cannot live without Afghanistan” sure they can however as u said closing off border could not only means loss of million lives with months but also economically too expensive to breath air or buy bread. Some time ago we discussed this issue with Bangali brother. We depend on pakistan and for pakistan we mean 5% loss lol I sure know pakistan can live with that. Beside their people would be happy if border closes cause that means prices drop.

At last as you said War between slave karzai and pakistan would never happen. Because the world we know is no longer same. Money talks and yes at worse 200 soldiers death here and 200 death there but at the end win will be for pakistan. Well its simple just by looking at Karzai's puppet administration is not like Amanuallah khan or Daud khan. Karzai and his gang are not interested in Afghanistan they just want to make money while USA is there at the end they will just walk off. I won't be surprised if Karzai himself asked Pakistan to fire some missiles so that he can fool the naïve uneducated anti-afghan majority to win some vote and push the Taliban-talk agenda aside. There is a greater talk in the minds of few great politicians who say karzai wons to be hero and present his troops and shack his head while openly giving eye popping warning to pakistan lol. If any other president gives that kind of warning to any country it basically means "war" where as Karzai just few days later will hug the ambassador of Pakistan and smiles, talks with great manners. Hell I am so disguised by this karzai.

[khushal]

Brother while agree with everything u said but totally disagree with this part ------> Pakistan cannot live without Afghanistan” sure they can however as u said closing off border could not only means loss of million lives with months but also economically too expensive to breath air or buy bread. Some time ago we discussed this issue with Bangali brother. We depend on pakistan and for pakistan we mean 5% loss lol I sure know pakistan can live with that. Beside their people would be happy if border closes cause that means prices drop.

What are you talking about. Prices wont drop if they close off the border, actually they will rise on both sides. Stopping trade will hurt both countries but it will hurt Afghanistan more short term. What will happen is that Afghanistan economy will have to depend on other sources for trade. Once Afghanistan establishes other trade routes, then it would be hard to break those trade routes which would be a loss to Pakistan and a gain to Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and India. It is in Pakistan's interest for Afghanistan to depend on it, so closing the border would be not in Pakistan's interest otherwise it has the possibility of backfiring and losing Afghanistan to its neighbors.

As far as war is concerned, the possibility of that is slim to none. Afghanistan and Pakistan have had many border clashes during the Soviet occupation and even before that. This is just another border clash and I doubt it will be the last, its Pashtun killing Pashtun for a guy named Durand that said, "I want to make a line here so you can kill each other over it hahahaha."

[Nick]

What are you talking about. Prices wont drop if they close off the border, actually they will rise on both sides. Stopping trade will hurt both countries but it will hurt Afghanistan more short term. What will happen is that Afghanistan economy will have to depend on other sources for trade. Once Afghanistan establishes other trade routes, then it would be hard to break those trade routes which would be a loss to Pakistan and a gain to Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and India. It is in Pakistan's interest for Afghanistan to depend on it, so closing the border would be not in Pakistan's interest otherwise it has the possibility of backfiring and losing Afghanistan to its neighbors.

As far as war is concerned, the possibility of that is slim to none. Afghanistan and Pakistan have had many border clashes during the Soviet occupation and even before that. This is just another border clash and I doubt it will be the last, its Pashtun killing Pashtun for a guy named Durand that said, "I want to make a line here so you can kill each other over it hahahaha."

Khushal brother what you are saying will be the long term effects but for now pakistanis themselves are complaining shortage of food supply. Please look into Pakistan's production output verses its usage. The politicians and businessmen of pakistan are on your side but in reality the pakistan would love it if what they produce is used by themselves and not send outside which increases the demand and returns results in increases of price. Basic concepts of economy brother I cannot lie to you.

Also dealing with North would be even worse because the trade route is costly and remember why Russia in the past and china today are putting billions of money simply to have a good relation to indian ocean.

Tajikistan before 9/11 was in worse situation than Afghanistan despite only 6 million but their output had no customer other than russia and it was not enough now a population of 8 million somewhat is managed because we Afghans buy electricity from them lol despite we can product 3 times electricity than that of Tajikistan. Where as before no-one in central asia bought their electricity or other outputs simply because the former soviet republics have enough of their own. Anyways Uzbekistan country of Gold and Cotton lol but they need sugar and other thinks so we have nothing to by from them because we also produce cotton enough. Turkmanistan yet still just enough for themselves and they are not corrupted as pakistan to strive their people hungry. Iran well Iran has enough money to only buy because they won't allow Afghans FOB. Mainly because they are scared of us sunni. Another reason is that they can produce anything we can. So why not sell their own? Rather than letting go market to Afghanistan. So Iran is as bad idea as pakistan both from import and export reasons.

Anyways these factors are minor part of many other and greater factors. I hope khushal we don't continue with this discussion simply because we import 80 % from Pakistan and Pakistan only import 5% from Afghanistan. As I said before for pakistan we are worth nothing. Pakistan is greedy and they just worry about settling Durand Line that's why Pakistani citizens are paying high prices and let their government sell to us while only rich gets richer and poor get poorer.

Indeed you are right It is in Pakistan's interest for Afghanistan to depend on it, so closing the border would be not in Pakistan's interest. However that dependency is still not a huge different because still their export to Afghanistan is not more than 10-20 %. However in this prospect ban on Pakistani import/export would only hurt pakistani businessmen but it would benefit the population of pakistan, who is hurt the most? Right Afghanistan because we depend on them right now within 6 months of ban on border could easily means bankruptcy to Afghanistan as well as millions dying of hunger. I shell remind you that what u are saying, Daud Khan already did this despite million dollar of russian Aid and it did not work it was still very expensive to run the country and get the Afghans going. Again our position as landlocked means we will never succeed unless we are constantly being pumped by the foreign aid to flow money in the country.

[Alchemist]

It's true...
Pakistan is already chocking the boarder and levying heavy tax on Afghan traders.

And the fact of the matter is that Pakistan CAN survive without Afghanistan....when we are talking about food and production.
However form a geopolitical stand point Pakistan has survived BECAUSE of Afghanistan. Just because we fought the Russians for Pakistan, we became a buffer zone from the communist threat and in this way the Americans and the Saudies funneled all their resources through pakistan allowing the pakistanies to build their army and their self regulated and non governmental agency of ISI...the focus of which is only to destablize AFghanistan.
Pakistan cannot survive with a strong Afghanistan. And Afghanistan cannot survive with a strong Pakistan because from an economic standpoint we are at their mercy because we don't have access to the sea. A stronger AFghanistan bring back the Durrand question back to line.

The Pakistanies will never allow Afghanistan to have a strong and vibrant economy because it will happen at their expense. They wouldn't have allowed with their most beloved AFghan administration - the former Taliban, so forget about there being a more kindred relationship with the likes of Karzai. Pakistan wants to control Afghanistan and continue using it as a hub because ISI commanders that are drunk off power have the desire to wage a quasi holy war against ISAF ...without putting any pakistani on the front line. They want Afghans to pay the price, and they take the credit it for it ..like they did in the 80s and 90s. This tact of theirs won't change because of they this sick, fanatic belief that they are God's chosen army - they brag about being the most advanced and powerful muslim army...but if we are making fun of karzai...what is Zardari? They can be easily over run because their own economy is also in shambles. And what about the alleged "6 talibans" that attacked their most advanced air base and destroyed some airplanes?

The only reason Pakistan is not being over run by Afghans is because AFghans are too busying fighting each other. A real leader would understand the need for creating a real enemy...so far karzai has been forced to smooch zardari but at times their are skirmishes and right about now he is trying to put a show of hostility towards ISAF. If he had the galls he would declare PAkistan as an enemy of AFghanistan - openly and urge the insurgency and the warlords and businessmen to concentrate on eroding the boarders of PAkistan and uprooting it's institutions in pakhtunkhwa and balochistan. What would be the worse that could happen...that isn't happening already? They will close the boarder? We force it open ...

What is the worst that could happen? I bet if that this course of action did take place...the Americans would side with the Afghans on this. They would classify Pakistani Government and Army as incompetent and use the opportunity to take custody of their nuclear bombs. Then they would play arbitrators and try to resolve the boarder issue...it's already in their plans to balkanize Pakistan. If Afghans show unity on this cause then baloch would be given to Afghans by the US themselves...and the whole world would agree to it.


Or not...

[Nick]

A stronger AFghanistan bring back the Durrand question back to lin
What is the worst that could happen? I bet if that this course of action did take place...the Americans would side with the Afghans on this. They would classify Pakistani Government and Army as incompetent and use the opportunity to take custody of their nuclear bombs. Then they would play arbitrators and try to resolve the boarder issue...it's already in their plans to balkanize Pakistan. If Afghans show unity on this cause then baloch would be given to Afghans by the US themselves...and the whole world would agree to it.

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Brother. Alchemist its not as easy said and done I wish what u said did came true. The contract over invasion was Afghanistan was already signed with Pakistan in 2000 besides look into history, the west created a unique non-existence country in the face of the world for nothing? The notion of what we have about Pakistan is by far different to the people of pakistan because we are muslim. But the reality is that taking back to history the first pakistani fire that came to Afghanistan in 1948 in a village that killed innocent families was from pakistan. Why? Because British were still there. It was british who demanded to make sure if any beef with Pakistan the allies would attack Afghanistan as they did to Iran in june 1941. Why was Iran occupied? Because of close ties with Germany and how were Afghans different when our prime minister promised to even attack British in the east if Germans wishes so. It was just matter of German military aid, jets and weapons reaching Afghanistan, and we were also about of officially joining Nazis. Everything changed when Nazis invaded Russia. Our beef with British and continually supporting hindu and muslim freedom fighters lead us into paying this huge price and then again attacking British in 1919 and then again supporting Germany. Do you really think Pakistan would disappear from face of this earth? Well if Israel does than Pakistan will because as far as I know Israel and pakistan and two nation that really could be called wings of west. If Aid to Israel stops means Aid to Israel will also stop but that will only happen when American empire goes down. I personally believe this cancer in muslim world to stay. We can't do anything and only aLlah can cause I personally lost hope seeing and researching year after year. As long as we have puppets like Karzai we are only slave of the pakistan. That's the reality we have to accept. Pakistan knows that as well as the world that we are now far more in complicated situation. However many politicians in Afghanistan knows exactly what I am talking about and because of greater hate towards pakistan. Both pakistan and karzai are playing games with lives of ordinary people in making them believe that one day we will rise.


To close brother America is the kingmaker now and so war between pakistan and Afghanistan will never happen even if 3000 American soldiers are killed by the pakistan. Because that 3000 soldiers live is not equal to the basic foundation behind creation and all of that trillion in Aid to pakistan.

[khushal]

Khushal brother what you are saying will be the long term effects but for now pakistanis themselves are complaining shortage of food supply. Please look into Pakistan's production output verses its usage. The politicians and businessmen of pakistan are on your side but in reality the pakistan would love it if what they produce is used by themselves and not send outside which increases the demand and returns results in increases of price. Basic concepts of economy brother I cannot lie to you.

Also dealing with North would be even worse because the trade route is costly and remember why Russia in the past and china today are putting billions of money simply to have a good relation to indian ocean.

Tajikistan before 9/11 was in worse situation than Afghanistan despite only 6 million but their output had no customer other than russia and it was not enough now a population of 8 million somewhat is managed because we Afghans buy electricity from them lol despite we can product 3 times electricity than that of Tajikistan. Where as before no-one in central asia bought their electricity or other outputs simply because the former soviet republics have enough of their own. Anyways Uzbekistan country of Gold and Cotton lol but they need sugar and other thinks so we have nothing to by from them because we also produce cotton enough. Turkmanistan yet still just enough for themselves and they are not corrupted as pakistan to strive their people hungry. Iran well Iran has enough money to only buy because they won't allow Afghans FOB. Mainly because they are scared of us sunni. Another reason is that they can produce anything we can. So why not sell their own? Rather than letting go market to Afghanistan. So Iran is as bad idea as pakistan both from import and export reasons.

Anyways these factors are minor part of many other and greater factors. I hope khushal we don't continue with this discussion simply because we import 80 % from Pakistan and Pakistan only import 5% from Afghanistan. As I said before for pakistan we are worth nothing. Pakistan is greedy and they just worry about settling Durand Line that's why Pakistani citizens are paying high prices and let their government sell to us while only rich gets richer and poor get poorer.

Indeed you are right It is in Pakistan's interest for Afghanistan to depend on it, so closing the border would be not in Pakistan's interest. However that dependency is still not a huge different because still their export to Afghanistan is not more than 10-20 %. However in this prospect ban on Pakistani import/export would only hurt pakistani businessmen but it would benefit the population of pakistan, who is hurt the most? Right Afghanistan because we depend on them right now within 6 months of ban on border could easily means bankruptcy to Afghanistan as well as millions dying of hunger. I shell remind you that what u are saying, Daud Khan already did this despite million dollar of russian Aid and it did not work it was still very expensive to run the country and get the Afghans going. Again our position as landlocked means we will never succeed unless we are constantly being pumped by the foreign aid to flow money in the country.

Brother Nick,
The basic concept of economic principle is that free trade benefits both parties, limiting the trade will hurt both parties.
If Pakistan closes its borders to Afghanistan, Pakistan is denying itself revenue from the Afghan Nation that it desperately needs for its people and can use to stimulate its economy. It does not mean it will bring prices down because there are more pakistani products for the Pakistani people. When Pakistan exports products to Afghanistan and Afghans buy their products, Pakistan is getting something in return for that product. It is not giving that product for free. It gets Money from Afghanistan, with that Money(in theory), it does what ever it needs to do for the benefit for its people.

If Pakistan does close its borders, that product that usually would be sold to Afghans would just sit there and rot if there are no other buyers for it. If they sell it to local Pakistani's themselves, then they are selling it to them for cheaper prices because in a free market, they are selling it to the highest bidder which are the Afghans. If the Afghans are not buying them at the highest bid price, then there is no incentive for them to sell it to the Afghans, they would sell them to the locals.

Its like the relationship with China and the US. China is selling products to the US even though their own people are poor and have less products than their American counter parts, but still most of their products are coming to the US. The Chinese did not understand this concept until Nixon introduced it to them. They initially thought that it is better for Chinese product to stay in China for the Chinese people but they are not thinking that when they sell to America, they are getting Money and with that money they can import products from the rest of the World and build infrastructure that are needed for their Chinese citizens so the lives of the Chinese can improve. This is the reason that the Chinese economy is growing and the Chinese are slowly getting richer.

So any nation that is selling products to another nation, the nation that is doing the selling is the one that is benefiting, it is that nation's economy that is growing. So Pakistan closing trade with Afghanistan would hurt the pakistani economy as well as the pakistani people. I hope I explained it well,
If you want to read more:
Free trade debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Afghanistan and Pak/India have historically been economically connected, it is impossible and unnatural for this economic connection to be broken without outside interference.

[khushal]

If you take outside interference away from this region and unleash natural economic forces, this region would be the richest in the World. there is huge wealth in the central Asian region, the most cost effective and efficient way to bring these resources to the World markets is via Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean. But the biggest market in the world for these resources is actually the Indian Subcontinent market itself. This trade between the Indian subcontinent and Central Asia would transform the region to the wealthiest and most productive region in the world.

But you know, outside interference aka American imperialism will not let that happen, and yes the Americnas are helping, helping themselves that is.

[gadoonwal]

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excuse me your highness.

do you think its ok for napaki to kill my people in Kunar (over a dozen children)?
you think that no matter what happens we should watch out and play this game.
there is something called justice,badal and if it was phatan who shot those missiles than they too have to pay for it,or do you think thats not ok?

its not ok for pakis or anyone to kill kunaris and if you can fight them then go ahead..how pakistan treated pashtuns and afghanis? to take revenge then my idea is there to follow.
what is the point for bringing pashtun v pashtun here.
if you have some knowledge of history and peopele living in your region you would know what pathan mean.
as soon as you cross the border of pashtunkhwa to punjab or get into inida no matter which part of pashtun land you belong like kabuli-pashtun or pashtunkhwa pashtun you will be called pathan.This is british indian name now used by all indians for pashtuns.
you can confirm this with those refugess from afghanistan living in india or punjab.
pashtunkhwa pashtuns never use pathan you know that for sure.
even in pakistani media it is pakhtun now no more pathan.

the answer to this is
we are pashtun
iraian called us afghan
indian called us pathan

But we are pashtun and nothing more.