The Hypocricy of Muslims in Pakistan

[Soldat_Amir]

if there were no foreign distractions, and there was atmosphere of national will for restitution of land, afghans could easily push aside the skinny pakanjabi army and expand into pashtunkhwa all the way to indus. and once the KPK pashtuns realise they are now under afghan severeignty, they will burn their pakistani passports and regain their pashtun afghan credentials. any attempt by the thwarted pakistani army will be met by fierce resistance.

That is a good idea but you and I know its very difficult roara.

Afghanistan tried this many times and all it took was a Takbeer from a Pakistani Cleric and such attempts were successfully supressed, take the case of Daud.

KPK Pashtuns are so much under the control of the likes of Mullah Sami ul Haq, Mullahs of binori Masjid and all the other Mullahs loyal to Pakistan. I only see Mahmood Achakzai's party being trustworthy for this cause other than that, they are all living in a fools paradise.

For us to start a movement to join both brothers and sisters we need to challenge this ideology invented by Zia ul haq, Saudis and the Americans which is Militant Islamists.

To unite two peoples, of the same origin and race, we need to establish a common goal, being a form of Nationalistic interests, if we for example, send a offer of alliance with the Turi Pashtuns of Kurram, we will meet opposition from the Sunni Bangash and will result in us being labelled Shia lovers and friends of the Kuffur.

If we send a pledge of alliance with the Afridis....we will meet opposition from the Mangal bagh militia and we will be labelled friends of innovating Sufi Pirs!

We cant develop this common goal to unite us if we are divided on Religious Sects/Sectarianism and personal beliefs.

Look at the Bosnian people for an example, when they got their artificial state as a gift from NATO, Middle east and Iran/Pakistan, they booted out all the Wahabis and Arab fighters from their country, they became secular and Nationalistic, they all had one goal which was to unite their Bosniak people and it worked for them, we are not on that level of unity as we think we are.

We got a lot of work to do Torkham, and the first things we need to focus on is building our society into a education,progressive and tolerant one, I would rather have a Pashtun state run by rational minded leaders than a Pashtun state ran by bigot Mullahs who open our borders to foreigners and external agencies.

[Soldat_Amir]

The reason that Pakistan has gone up to the level of those who go on all fours is secularism.

Coool story bro I guess it was much better under Zia Ul Haq.

I guess all those evil Secular countries who turned Saudi Arabia into a modern functioning country were all bad and you prefer to live in a desert like state herding camels?

[Michin Khel]

if there were no foreign distractions, and there was atmosphere of national will for restitution of land, afghans could easily push aside the skinny pakanjabi army and expand into pashtunkhwa all the way to indus. and once the KPK pashtuns realise they are now under afghan severeignty, they will burn their pakistani passports and regain their pashtun afghan credentials. any attempt by the thwarted pakistani army will be met by fierce resistance.

You know in 1965 , Pak army started operation giberaltor in Kashmir to liberate kashmiris from india. The plan was to send commandos of Pak army in disguise of mujahideens into kashmir, then togather with local kashmiris they would hunt down each and every indian there. The success of entire plan was dependant on condition that massive uprisings against india would take place and local support would ensure freedom. What exactly happened was that pak army commandos entered into kashmir and tried to raise uprising but kashmiris refused to help them....operation giberaltor failed and in response india attacked lahore.
Afghan militia and lashkars have several times tried to infilterate into FATA , but were stopped and countered by their own pashtun tribesmen...this is a fact bro.
Now due to war on terror pakistan forces are present in more concentration along durand, any Afghan misadventure is likely to fail....there are two conditions necessary for regaining of pakhtun areas of pakistan.
1- Strong and stable Afghanistan
2- Rebellion by lar pashtuns (from chitral to bolan) against pakistan, like baloch insurgency.
If the above two conditions are not met, then any such thinkings should be termed as khayali pulao.

[NokiaWnW]

Some Pashtuns are still blinded by the fake propagandas of unbeaten Afghans or Pashtuns. Hell, drop off your by idiots in the 20th century created mentality of lies. Look back to the history. How can Afghanistan push into Pakistan? Pakistan has a strong army, a strong infra-structure, a national unity. In Afghanistan, devision can be everywhere. I don´t think that non-Pashtuns will ever support any Pashtun in that case. Pashtuns alone will not be able to achieve anything. I want to remind you how Daud Khan tried it hard. He organized 2mio Pashtuns to take arms and go to Pakistan. What happened with Daud Khan and the 2mio wannabe undefeated and unruled foot-soldiers of him? With or without foreign intervene in Afghanistan or Pakistan, the Pakistani will smash any rebellion. The Sikhs did it in the past, too and took Peshawar valley down to Dera Ismael Khan. Unfortunately, we are not Turks or Mongols or Arabs to have such a strenghths. Do not talk about the Pashtuns of FATA or PK who are more Pakistani than Pashtuns. Wake up from your stupid fantasy dreams. We live in the 21th century. Today, everyone in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir is radicalized and everyone can take a weapon and kill unarmed people. The thing is, while Panjabis are part of a civilisation that produced in the past math, science, art, culture, literature, we always were part of a savage communities. It is no more easy to enter the lands of peaceful Hindus or Janais and Sikhs to loot them or teach them respects. Today, they are Muslims, too and they can easily take a weapon and kill as long anyone question them. Only Taliban can be such cowards fighting and killing unarmed people and civilians. Let´s live with that what we have before losing everything. You may not be aware that Pakistan want to incooperate Afghanistan into it´s territory. If we go the current way, they will be succesful and tomorrow your children will be PaKISTANIS... you want that? Our neighbours even are stronger in culture and language. How can you mess with 4 corners at the same time? In east Pakistan, in West the Dari-speakers, in north the new Chinese arrivals and in south Balochs with their Indian ally.

[Soldat_Amir]

Some Pashtuns are still blinded by the fake propagandas of unbeaten Afghans or Pashtuns. Hell, drop off your by idiots in the 20th century created mentality of lies. Look back to the history. How can Afghanistan push into Pakistan? Pakistan has a strong army, a strong infra-structure, a national unity. In Afghanistan, devision can be everywhere. I don´t think that non-Pashtuns will ever support any Pashtun in that case. Pashtuns alone will not be able to achieve anything. I want to remind you how Daud Khan tried it hard. He organized 2mio Pashtuns to take arms and go to Pakistan. What happened with Daud Khan and the 2mio wannabe undefeated and unruled foot-soldiers of him? With or without foreign intervene in Afghanistan or Pakistan, the Pakistani will smash any rebellion. The Sikhs did it in the past, too and took Peshawar valley down to Dera Ismael Khan. Unfortunately, we are not Turks or Mongols or Arabs to have such a strenghths. Do not talk about the Pashtuns of FATA or PK who are more Pakistani than Pashtuns. Wake up from your stupid fantasy dreams. We live in the 21th century. Today, everyone in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir is radicalized and everyone can take a weapon and kill unarmed people. The thing is, while Panjabis are part of a civilisation that produced in the past math, science, art, culture, literature, we always were part of a savage communities. It is no more easy to enter the lands of peaceful Hindus or Janais and Sikhs to loot them or teach them respects. Today, they are Muslims, too and they can easily take a weapon and kill as long anyone question them. Only Taliban can be such cowards fighting and killing unarmed people and civilians. Let´s live with that what we have before losing everything. You may not be aware that Pakistan want to incooperate Afghanistan into it´s territory. If we go the current way, they will be succesful and tomorrow your children will be PaKISTANIS... you want that? Our neighbours even are stronger in culture and language. How can you mess with 4 corners at the same time? In east Pakistan, in West the Dari-speakers, in north the new Chinese arrivals and in south Balochs with their Indian ally.

Exactly how can we take on another opponent when our own society is plagued with backwardness, social ills, sectarianism and religous fundamentalism.

Like I said, it will only take a Pakistani to screem Takbeer and most Pashtuns even in Afghanistan will say Allah ho akber and the revolt will be over, even TTP who fight Pakistan, consider it the only Muslim power with atomic weapons and the defender of Islam, we Pashtuns are divided so badly that some see myths as a way out.

We need to seriously follow a unified ideology to fight Pakistan otherwise we will always be the guys sitting on the garden of the Political agent begging for a small wage or guarding the gates of Punjabi officers.

Some here dont see the realities of how badly damaged our society truely is.

For us Pashtuns, we are more interested in how women work and wear clothes than our own economical status and well being.

There will be a time when the North of Afghanistan will develop fast and modernise with a educated population and decide to break from Afghanistan as a whole while the rest of the Pashtun region would be left with Madrassahs and Mullahs looking out for them.

People never see this aspect, we Pashtuns are so bent on destroying ourselves through fanaticism and militancy that we dont understand how we can get out of this mess.

We always like to blame others for the mess, but we Pashtuns allowed it to happen, if a cartoon of Mohammad is drawn by a Norweigen the whole of Peshawar raises up and smashes bus stands, shop windows and cars but when a suicide bomber decides to blow himself up in Peshawer and murder many innocent people, we Pashtuns just sit there with our Naswar in our mouths and brush it aside with a comment like " da kho jannat dee".

[abassinafghan]

nokia and soldat

you have both mentioned certain points which are valid .and on which i agree .


wrong pride and profileing oneself to get praised by people , whoise country is rulled by americans by their self , is not the way .


pakistan is a satelite dependent state since its existence no one asked opendendly to burn kufrabad, but some many did for kabul .

and its true , our problems can not be solved by so called "good" muslims ,

we dont need no arabs uzbeks tajiks or chechens to teach us islam , meanwhile every sin under the sun is commited in their own country, but because pepole consider them just religious extrimists or religious overdoers , and laugh about them dont taking them serious , they found a broken state , a broken country where they can play their part.


we also dont need some so called good muslim leaders , who shows in their acts nothing but kufr and imcapebility .judge the people by their acts not by what they are referring to their selfes.

most people who scream outloud , about kafir communists , i ask what is the difference of the soviets and the americans , both invaded our country , provoked by others or by theirselfes , fighting others wars on our shoulders .

but still all of them who are takeing big words into their mouths and complaining how bad kafirs are other , but still live in the same country.
working in those countries , earning good money , visiting universities , allowed to own a business.

no one will denie , that the rule of law is more established and respected in most western countries than in most islamic countries , with some exceptions .

and the reason there for is not our religion nor our culture , its the stupidity of people , who just see simple and easy ways , black and white .

easy explinations for easy people . but the world is not easy so are not the problems .


so to just say all the causes of our problems is our religion , is false and stupid , because if you look elsewhere you will find similar scenarios , with people who has got a different religion , best example is the balkan and ex yougoslavia .

the underlining problems has nothing todo with religion or ethnicity , but with politicis which are played on us .

so its equal stupid to ask to become kufar , like its stupid to say , all our suffering is because we are bad kufars and this is the punishment .

[NokiaWnW]

Exactly how can we take on another opponent when our own society is plagued with backwardness, social ills, sectarianism and religous fundamentalism.

Like I said, it will only take a Pakistani to screem Takbeer and most Pashtuns even in Afghanistan will say Allah ho akber and the revolt will be over, even TTP who fight Pakistan, consider it the only Muslim power with atomic weapons and the defender of Islam, we Pashtuns are divided so badly that some see myths as a way out.

We need to seriously follow a unified ideology to fight Pakistan otherwise we will always be the guys sitting on the garden of the Political agent begging for a small wage or guarding the gates of Punjabi officers.

Some here dont see the realities of how badly damaged our society truely is.

For us Pashtuns, we are more interested in how women work and wear clothes than our own economical status and well being.

There will be a time when the North of Afghanistan will develop fast and modernise with a educated population and decide to break from Afghanistan as a whole while the rest of the Pashtun region would be left with Madrassahs and Mullahs looking out for them.

People never see this aspect, we Pashtuns are so bent on destroying ourselves through fanaticism and militancy that we dont understand how we can get out of this mess.

We always like to blame others for the mess, but we Pashtuns allowed it to happen, if a cartoon of Mohammad is drawn by a Norweigen the whole of Peshawar raises up and smashes bus stands, shop windows and cars but when a suicide bomber decides to blow himself up in Peshawer and murder many innocent people, we Pashtuns just sit there with our Naswar in our mouths and brush it aside with a comment like " da kho jannat dee".

hahahaha you are right in every point but you still think to small. As I mentioned above, Pashtuns can not deal with Pakistan as a solely group, even if you unite both groups from both sides. Pashtuns need to be allied with Balochs, possibly Sindis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaras and other people of the region. Instead creating allies in the region, we tried hard to insult and oppress non-Pashtun and damage them as much we can and than we wonder why we are hated so much, even by those who are hated at most, Panjabis, and why those want to be apart from Pashtuns. By destroying the house or lands of our neighbour, we just make ourself to a target of revanges. Today, we see day by day the results of such revanges. If those people like Balochs want to break from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran or the Hazaras, Chitralis than they will do it if they can and noone will be able to stop them. Today, the voice of a Baluch insurgents get heard even in America, while the voice of a Pashtun get lost in the masses? Why? Because we made the entire world our own enemy. And we do not realize that. Wannabe Jihadists and real infidels like GOE or Afghanistan2010 who sit behin PC in the West and eat the western food, wear western clothes, drink western drinks, alcohols, use western culture such as PC today bark against those who are by far more humanic and according to me understanding in the way of their thinking and behave more Islamic than these SOBs will ever be! I mean, what do you expect from such savage barbarians who kill their own muslim brothers and sisters, just because they are Shia or just they want to show the people we are still there and a threat to humanity. These SOBs are sitting in the ''evil'' west, call themself educated but do not move toward their paradies on earth, Waziristan, Kohat, FATA to fight the evil Americans and evil western civilisation. Hypocricy pure. Hypos are the enemy nr one of God and Islam. Everybody who have read a Qoran and it´s translation will come up with this sentence. The deepest part of hell will belong to hypos and fakes. Sometimes it would be better when US would dropp an A bomb over us so no suffering more for our innocent children, mothers, elders. Better to die than suffer!

[NokiaWnW]

nokia and soldat

you have both mentioned certain points which are valid .and on which i agree .


wrong pride and profileing oneself to get praised by people , whoise country is rulled by americans by their self , is not the way .


pakistan is a satelite dependent state since its existence no one asked opendendly to burn kufrabad, but some many did for kabul .

and its true , our problems can not be solved by so called "good" muslims ,

we dont need no arabs uzbeks tajiks or chechens to teach us islam , meanwhile every sin under the sun is commited in their own country, but because pepole consider them just religious extrimists or religious overdoers , and laugh about them dont taking them serious , they found a broken state , a broken country where they can play their part.


we also dont need some so called good muslim leaders , who shows in their acts nothing but kufr and imcapebility .judge the people by their acts not by what they are referring to their selfes.

most people who scream outloud , about kafir communists , i ask what is the difference of the soviets and the americans , both invaded our country , provoked by others or by theirselfes , fighting others wars on our shoulders .

but still all of them who are takeing big words into their mouths and complaining how bad kafirs are other , but still live in the same country.
working in those countries , earning good money , visiting universities , allowed to own a business.

no one will denie , that the rule of law is more established and respected in most western countries than in most islamic countries , with some exceptions .

and the reason there for is not our religion nor our culture , its the stupidity of people , who just see simple and easy ways , black and white .

easy explinations for easy people . but the world is not easy so are not the problems .


so to just say all the causes of our problems is our religion , is false and stupid , because if you look elsewhere you will find similar scenarios , with people who has got a different religion , best example is the balkan and ex yougoslavia .

the underlining problems has nothing todo with religion or ethnicity , but with politicis which are played on us .

so its equal stupid to ask to become kufar , like its stupid to say , all our suffering is because we are bad kufars and this is the punishment .

The irony is that these 13years old coward wannabe Internet Jihadists and their families pay taxes for every good they buy. Even for a lolly. Don´t they know that they support with their consuments of lollies the war of ''evil west'' against Afghanistan? Isn´t that hypocricy, too? These people are clowns.. the group one can laugh about them on the political stage. So, who are the evil now? US or these wannabe 13years old internet jihadists?

[KHANVICT KAKA KHEL]

The reason that Pakistan has gone up to the level of those who go on all fours is secularism.

You are right, but tha reason also is that our leader (Zardari) is a puppet. Allah say's that if tha deeds of a country/nation are not good, and evil is prevailing, then he will send a leader equally evil to rule, and that is what is happening with our country. PEACE

[badmash_khel]

Hypocracy is not limited to geographical orders of certain states, there are hypocrats everywhere, i don't know why Pakistan is singled out.

[NokiaWnW]

Hypocracy is not limited to geographical orders of certain states, there are hypocrats everywhere, i don't know why Pakistan is singled out.

Because Pak is the core of that system! It advocate Islamism and Wahabi punishment with it´s sick ideology but I haven´t seen any Talib doing suicide in Peshawar or Islamabad

[Michin Khel]

Because Pak is the core of that system! It advocate Islamism and Wahabi punishment with it´s sick ideology but I haven´t seen any Talib doing suicide in Peshawar or Islamabad

I have barely survived blast in peshawer near swato pattak...There was a time in peshawer that i used to avoid going to bazaar due to these suicide blasts.

[badmash_khel]

Because Pak is the core of that system! It advocate Islamism and Wahabi punishment with it´s sick ideology but I haven´t seen any Talib doing suicide in Peshawar or Islamabad

I would say its not just pakistan but most islamic countries, such as saudi, iran, afghanistan turkey and many more. we know talibs are a little butthurt the way pakistan betrayed them so thats why pakistan is always their number 1 target but same goes for saudi and the rest.

[Shehbaz Khan]

As if this occur only in Pakistan? :O

[Afghanistan2010]

You are right, but tha reason also is that our leader (Zardari) is a puppet. Allah say's that if tha deeds of a country/nation are not good, and evil is prevailing, then he will send a leader equally evil to rule, and that is what is happening with our country. PEACE

Exactly,

we single out pakistan because it has effects on us (we are related in some aspects),alhamdulillah we don't allow (yes we will smash his head , yes we are radicals) in afghanistan any other form of government than Islamic Shariah government.