Refugees from Afghanistan in Pakistan

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Afghans stuck in Pakistan can´t go home

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/31/many-afghan-families-enslaved-in-a-cycle-of-debt-hard-labor/?hpt=wo_bn2

Look also for Afghan family burdened (Slavery in Afghanistan)

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Afghans stuck in Pakistan can´t go home

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com


http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cn...or/?hpt=wo_bn2

Look also for Afghan family burdened (Slavery in Afghanistan)

Your attempt here backfired. The goal was to show that in Pakistan, the Afghans have their primary adversary.... instead, as with most situations, there lies a truer lesson in examining evidence closely (Underneath the accepted lesson regarding Pakistan):

Take a look at the first video 2.33 minutes and 2.45 minutes into it when that old refugee AbduRahman is speaking. Who does he support and see as, in the words of the narrator, Afghanistan's saviors? He says the Taliban. Who does he see as responsible for civilian deaths? The NATO forces and the specifically the US. It matters little if this is true or not, this preception is basically supported by other reports coming out of Kandahar and other places where the southern Pashtuns (make no excuses by attempting to interject KP Pashtuns in here) view NATO as an occupying force. A few sets of anecdotal evidences are making this an apparent thing:

1) Karzai has to dance the two step by denouncing NATO as using occupier tactics, while at the same time serving them (he knows his bread comes from NATO, but he knows that the populace is weary of NATO).

"Why did he (Karzai) have to? He was propped up by Americans, British and Canadians who were spending billions that lined his and his friends’ pockets. His camp’s been fighting theiropposition for decades (although alliances have often shifted), so why give them a share of the pot?

http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks

2) "And so the cycle began. We add more troops, which strengthens the Taliban and weakens support for the government. Suicide attacks, IEDs, military and civilian dead or wounded—all rise commensuratelywith eachincrease in foreign troop or Afghan government presence. We misunderstand many ofthecauses of support for the Taliban. They didn’t wear sandwich boards or hand out pamphlets to win people. They are the Pashtuns. Most don’t want to rule the country. They just want to get rid of the occupiers."

http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks

3) This sentiment has even seeped into Kabul:

"Enayatullah Balegh is a professor at Kabul University and preaches on Fridays in the largest mosque in central Kabul, where he advocates jihad, or holy war, against foreigners who desecrate Islam."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7390ZV20110410

The bottom line?: The flat earth society members make the mistake that the average Afghan civilian does not. In their effort to play pin the tail on the donkey in regard to civilian deaths the flat earth society members miss the big picture. The Civilian construct of how civilian deaths occur is as follows per the evidences above:

1) Taliban in power: relative calm and peace --> 2) US invades --> 3) Taliban utilize assymetric tactics and guerilla warfare to fight a superiorly armed and air force backed military --> 4) Civilians die as a consequence of step 2

In the Flat Earth Society construct, or propaganda (take your pick):

1) Pakistanis dressed as Pashtuns invade Afghanistan and take over the country with little effort --> 2) Karzai is a white knight on a white horse (never mind his thievery, incomptence, and the freedom loving US comes in and aids him kicking out the "Pakistanis" that were all somehow born in Afghan villages (this is anti reality remember?) --> 3) the ISI proceeds on killing civilians, but poses as insurgents --> 4) No Civilian supports the Taliban.

[emkhan]

In the first video the old man is telling the truth.
Peace and Taliban.
America with more than 20 other countries could not bring peace in 10 years and Taliban with no resources did that in less than 10 years.

[unknownprince]

1) Taliban in power: relative calm and peace --> 2) US invades --> 3) Taliban utilize assymetric tactics and guerilla warfare to fight a superiorly armed and air force backed military --> 4) Civilians die as a consequence of step 2

reality

In the Flat Earth Society construct, or propaganda (take your pick):

1) Pakistanis dressed as Pashtuns invade Afghanistan and take over the country with little effort --> 2) Karzai is a white knight on a white horse (never mind his thievery, incomptence, and the freedom loving US comes in and aids him kicking out the "Pakistanis" that were all somehow born in Afghan villages (this is anti reality remember?) --> 3) the ISI proceeds on killing civilians, but poses as insurgents --> 4) No Civilian supports the Taliban.

a true and priceless description of the flat earth society.

[faye]

i read that the pakistanis were in afghanistan helping the northern alliance and they airfreighted thousands out from kunduz, supposedly, including taliban and possibly alqaeda, after the americans invaded. indian intelligence and american military made this claim. so how was it all peace. emkhan?

[emkhan]

i talked about Taliban and not pakistan.

[faye]

but were the northern alliance fighting the taliban with assistence from pakistan?

[emkhan]

No but with Indian and Iranian support.

[faye]

there is an article on global research..'the getaway' by seymour m. hirsch, that says the americans allowed the pakistanis 3 nights to airlift their men out from afghanistan. donald rumsfeld was even questioned about it as the us military guys were angry about it.

[emkhan]

Which era are you talking about ? Musharraf era or before that ?

[faye]

you got it! did you see the utube?

[faye]

Which era are you talking about ? Musharraf era or before that ?

check out the article.

[emkhan]

That was actually musharraf Era and yes mussharraf made blunders in his era and ruined us.
The whole world know about that. He was a traitor now sitting in London.
But there are so many beghairat army men like him even now continuing the American war on terror

[faye]

what difference does it make? it still meant that it was not just peace during taliban rule.

[emkhan]

you better ask the people of Afghanistan. majority of the people will tell you that there was peace in Taliban era.