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Dear brothers and sister this person had abused many of us, in many ways, and calling people Dumb, stupid, Loser, liars etc etc. He had his fun. I was his target throught out his posts. Now I have never been diss in any forum as much as in this forum.
No I am not saying that this forum wanted him to abuse me or others, however it explains how kind and patient we are to our enemies. For those of us having experence in other forum we saw how they were kicked out and yet too late cause most people hated coming on forum because of these people. Doing nothing but abusing, hate was the hot topic in every Afghan forum. I requested the Admins of those forum to banned them so they did, most of the time. Too late, this forum is a Pashtun dominated forum. As he Kabulzada with the fake came and so much freedom he had to diss us in every way. As well dissing PAshtuns, the pashtun culture, history, kings and calling names. This forum is a pashtun dominated forum and here 80% are kind hearted Pashtun people the 20% are us so called "non-Pashtun" either from Bangal, Punjab/Sindh/India/Iran/Turkey/Iraq and Afghanistan. This forum has given the platform to give our opinions as well as learn from others. Now What Kabulzada had been doing is dissing and not responding to people nor answering the question or staying on top of one topic. Anyone going to his website and his so called "Afghanprofil" created their own history from nothing air, pooof nothing else. Some of us have been there and for those who never has, please don't cause its nothing but BS, no source nor any names just their own crap from tajikam.
I someone took my time and responded in detail about his BS as well as others who are lost into what these ghalis wants and say. The Most interesting thing about this account "Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada" that he always wanted to come here but never did, so now when he choose to come he had his Gang behind him as well, MOD knows what I am talking about. They faken their identity. In Fact this was what Kabulzada introduced himself as and long ago I suspected him from beginning. Not because I have special power, but simply I know their mentaily, their agenda, and their goal as well reading their "Afgprofile sites and tajikam". These people are not new to me, and I am not new to them. For me it was sometimes hard back in old days and I went through those hard times where first they wanted to be friend and then show their true nasty faces. Needless to say but they are not Kids either and aside from all they are anti-Afghan.
I also used to be pro-Masoud when his forces was not called “Northern” but United front. I totally gave up on soldiers, generals and commander who were under him simply because they choose to join Warlords like Dostum, who was always enemy to Masoud. And you people were not supporting him because he killed thousends of Ghalis. So it makes sense why you people choose his picture as a cover up and yet knowing that even Taliban did not killed that much Ghalis as he did.
What rights? You as a non-Pashtun actually a non-Afghan or Shell I just anti-Afghan come here in Pashtun and Diss Pashtun without being banned. What you think? Well lets talk about it shell we? You Shias are in Afghanistan and Compare your lives to those Sunnis living in Iran, be it if they are Arab stock, Baloch stock, Or Afghan stock in eastern border they all suffer in main cities none of them have Sunni mosque, and Perhaps few main mosques mainly in the East of Iran. Are there any sunni mosques in Sheraz? Tehran? Or any other major cities? Don’t think so where as you people have Shai mosque all over Afghanistan before Daud Khan, during Soviet and even today you Shais grew stronger in terms of business, literature education while Afghanistan is under occupation you 20%-30% non-Afghan stocks of Afghanistan enjoy in every Field. Ok Perhaps I shell realistic that yes we Farsiwan as well as Pashtuns of main city also involved in the so called “improvement” and promote peace and love but yet majority of those group some 60% of total population are not happy with foreign occupation and Ghali developments.
What Division? What Ethnicities? And what society? Which society? The ghali Society? the Hazara society? the Uzbek society? the Afghan society? which society you are referring to?
If the Afghans lived under the Shai Safivads and survived, lived under Mongolid era and survived, and here we Farsiwans choose to leave with you Ghalis living in our society as part of us and yet disrespecting us and spreading lies and hate amongst us despite all we lived with you. We did not kicked you back to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan/Iran or China simply forget about “Panjabized Pakistan Pathans” in reality if we Farsiwans attend the prayers In Pakistani mosques pray side by side, by the name of Islam we can even live with Punjabis.
Karzai is not representing majority but rather Ghalis and non Afghan stocks which is why he is in Power. Also how can we forget Ghali leaders such as Agha Khan and etc giving open conference speechs about “All Nation of my people if they are my people shell support Karzai in this Election”. The people who wants Karzai in Power are those of galamjam, Bachabaz, and Ghalis who are non-Afghan.
Hell man I thought you only grammar and spelling problem, but you have way lots of problems in your writing Just use some remain brain cell when typing. What the Hell does that sentence supposed to mean? Independent Uzbeks and then you Ghalis claim they have support under Turkey, Uzbekistan, Russia. Which is a reality they have but what makes you say “Independent” do you know the concept of being independent?
Dude I was in Herat 2 times within 6 years. Herat is dominated by Pashtu speakers, and I as a native Farsiwan can't understand people outside Herat city. Sure Herat of 400,000 people maybe 20% are Pashtu speakers and other people of all kind of people, but Herat province itself is dominated by Pashtu language everyone knows that. Its just that Politics are not sided with Pashtu speakers, that's why they are put down but independent researchers and even Heratis knows that Herat is dominated by Afghan race, its Just your Wikipedia and Iranica doesn't LOL
even western sources like BBC and Others knows that "Although roughly half the population of this western province is thought to be Pashtun, only one candidate from this ethnic group won a seat in parliament" Institute for War & Peace Reporting http://reliefweb.int/node/378208
Ok so you want to say that Pashtuns are not dominated in Herat or not even in Afghanistan and that they are not even 20 % or I think I remember in your forum you people always say these Indian Sulimani people are not even 25%. Right. Ok so you people also say now wants the pashtuns to stop faking on PAshtunistan issue otherwise you will break Afghanistan sorry your like like Agha Khan, Dostom, Pedram whichever dog it maybe will break Afghanistan if we don't stop our fight with your financial supporters the ISI?
And since your Kabulov from origin you want us to stop taking pride on kicking out Russia and freeing many Soviet occupied unions including your Tajikistan. Ohh yeah Pride is bad we know but its a fact right.. so Facts are facts. And you want us to believe you right. Wow short amount of time you convinced us all to stop and forget about Afghanistan and everyone should come into your forum and enjoy bashing the bani Israel.
lol hahaha damn, they can´t ''copy'' (you mean cover) any song without any permission. And even if they do so, those Farsiwans in Afghanistan are the same as in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Iran. They share the same culture, language and identity, such as Pashtuns in Afghanistan share the same culture and identity with Pakistani and Indian or Bengali Pashtuns. That´s why Iran, Tajikistan and Afghanistan are co-working in many bands like Tv programs, education, policy, economy...
So here you showed your true face of Afghanprofile/tajikam dude here ask me. I have been there. Talk of facts. Such as foolish claim to connect us Farsiwans with Tajikstan, Uzbekistan and Iran and also tried to ranged on the beep bang that just as Pashtuns of in Afghan share same culture, and identity with Pakistan. Above all you disagree with in respect to Pashtun propaganda of disunity and tried to claim that Pashtuns of Afghanistan “how they want to live with Panjabized Pakistani Pathans who differ from them greatly” Indeed it shows your nature the political situation and propagandize the situation in benefit to non-Afghan races living in Afghanistan.
You have no right to speak on behalf of us, talk about your own ghali warriors but don’t try to be associated to non-Ghali groups.
Ok makes sense to say that Karzai is an CIA agent as many in the Government are corrupted but how does that lead you Ghalis to that Pashtuns are good at drinking blood of other. Indeed Individual slaves of the west, so what you thought Satan is only in the blood of you Ghalis alone and not other human beings.
Ohh I am so scared stupid I had said this in the front of hundreds of People. You don’t know Sh$t about me so shut up. I am not hidden nor jerks like you to post BS things in the web and call it Afghanprofile. I am here on the planet and we openly have these discussion in front of Hazaras/Uzbeks and anyone who thinks Afghanistan is not Afghan –Istan Besides having said that we in Toronto are majority Farsiwans we do and discuss and post local newspapers all the time triggering such issues on making sure people are educated on the subjects and not such Pooof air like you Ghalis.
Afghan Setan is the land of Afghans, we as immigrants of Canada would not ask for independent region just because 90% of Scarborough is Asianic and non-white. Regard to say this but Hazaras lived in the isolated dry area why which the native Afghan Race population had been wiped out even Cats and Dogs so they were just lucky to have lived in the Afghan area and pushed or killed the local Afghan races. Historically if they argue for a land sure Mongolia and Tajikistan is available for them. I am 100% sure Hazaras are not stupid we love them. However from my prospective majority of whom I know specially those came from Iran, love Afghanistan. They want live in Afghanistan, and we will support them in every way we can. You are just a loser that you can’t see great individuals who unlike you Tajikistanis had been playing a major role in the Afghan society. Bashardoost is one of the few politicians of Afghanistan who has won majority of Pashtun hearts. He is loved by people including my self. We will support them in any means when they are speaking for Afghanistan and if they speak Against Afghanistan like you Ghalis then indeed they will suffer. These are just words which don’t want, deep inside we love our Hazaras its just you ghalis whom some of them converted to Ghali religion, put them in danger. BTW majority of Hazara don’t like you Ismailis so be it speak to them you will get slapped in the face.
Who is saying that ghali site Afghanprofile or Tajikam lol Stupid Race define Race. Ethnicity lol yeah Define Ethnicity so much for your Persian pride why not merge the word “Tajik” into this Persian. I know you won’t be able to answer this. Due to your ignorance and propaganda of dividing Afghans. Afghan race is beyond your understanding its dominated Race of far parts of Eastern Iran, and Afghanistan 70-75% and 70% of western Pakistan. Ethnicity the terms you think of them are all legacy of Hoopla lol and believe me Langauge is the key founding of such groups. After all genetically, features, and culture of Tajiks and Uzbeks are same as I have witnessed myself as living there yet only separated by tongue.
See this for your answer.
LOL Western Tajiks lol Northern Tajiks, Eastern Tajiks lol And What is left southern Tajiks LOL shell we add Central Tajiks as well LOL according to your Afghanprofile which I read yes Farsiwans does mean Persian, but that’s only according to your Ghali definition, Farsiwans are Persian. Shia Dari speakers? LOL according to whom? Dude the oldest and first such source came mistakenly by L. Dupree who just copied Russian Data of 1959. He went to Afghanistan in 1949, and according to himself 60% of his 19 years from 1949 to 1968 was spend in Afghanistan as he was going back and forth on his research just as Russians were sending their agents for research. Americans were also keen in developing research. However as the whole world knows how American deeply supporting Pakistan and were allies of Iran, and so everything they would do is making sure their allies are not harm.
As side from that since American projects were conducted and as they were building dams etc was nothing compare to Russian investment. Also Russians were major in almost everything and their research specially with demographics was a little better than Americans. Any data/research and servy/Cansus from 1918-1975 most of Russian research in Afghan was accepted by UN as a fact.
Let me educate you about the word which you use. It’s a native word to Dari speaking Afghans as they never recognized the word Tajik until Russian influence came (During Zahir Shah) (Read Your own anti-Afghan Iranica source which also confirms this. “Tājik was a heteronym bestowed by the local Uzbeks, and adopted by the ruling Pashtuns and the local Persian-speakers themselves in comparatively recent times. In journalistic usage it is increasingly applied to speakers of Persian” this article the ETHNONYM was published in 2009 LOL You need to update Afghanprofile cause Iranica is changed as well LOL after all we crushed their BS, and brought their attention to the international world academic for which they were found to be liars and making BS. We Farsiwans proved them wrong with prove as well Dari published articles in Germany, Norway and here in Canada.
We argued them to removed their lies about Hafiz, Saadi and Rumi talking about the word “Tajik” because it was never mention and now only Behaqi seems to be new one Which simply say “Ashqari as Sultan Hayat dar manzeri on ki Ma Tazhi Khowhan astem wa baz Sul wa Haramish sultanate Khowahem” LOL Tazi means Arabs, and Tazhikhowhan means pro-Arabs .
Even still Iranica once again wants to lie with Behaqi who never mentioned Tajiks, they took four word out of context to make up for “Ta Ma Tazhikan”.
lol Anyways we will get them inshallah on that lies as well I looked it back in 2010, and I forgot about it so we have to do something about this lie as well.
This Iranica tries connecting the modern word "Tajik" with anything old hass always been in demand of anti-Afghans, but inshallah no such source has been found until this day. Proves itself that there was no Tajiks before Mongolians.
They try to connect the Arab group but lol even Iranca doesn't know what to make sense out of this word "Tajik" the fact that its so new and also do to their Turkic origin and formation of their features, genes and culture resulte of fusion between Uzbeks and Mongols.
For you people only Wikipedia now is the target don’t worry I washed my hands from Wikipedia but as longs as Iranica cuts back on their BS and article from 1984 we Farsiwans will be fine with them.
So since I proved you that the word “Tajik” was never historically applied on us Farsiwans. You go ahead and wash out your Afghanprofile or keep BS. But Facts are Facts.
How did it came into Afghanistan? Well It was only the time of Daud Khan when young Russian educated communist student were used where the word “Tajik” was mentioned to propagandize the Russian legitimacy of foreign occupation or future intervention a sense, the Russian heavily supported the word to Afghanistan where 75% of the people were uneducated and that would obviously lead to question of who is Pashtun and who is Tajik and where are us Farsiwans.
The Oldest and most detailed account of Afghan demographic which we never had until this day Please fallow this source.
Лит.: [Ефремов Ю. К.], Физико-географический очерк, в сборнике: Современный Афганистан, М., 1960; Зарубежная Азия. Физическая география, М., 1956; Мухаммед Али, Афганистан, пер. [с англ.], М., 1957; HumIumJ., La geographic de l"Afganistan, Cph., 1959.
It was first published in 1959, used that data of so called “Farsiwans” a note detected at the bottom of the page as what Russians recorded as “Tajiks of Afghanistan call themselves “Farsiwans” but we think this group shell be more accepted to Western Tajiks fold amongst the Pashtuns close to Iran as the word indicate “Farsi” is equal to Persian since their dialect is different from majority of Tajiks in the north and Persian influence in their religion as seen by the practice of visiting death body”. LOL Death Body visiting how is that Shia for L. Dupree or anyone? Maybe prohibited by Sunni Arab regions but this practiced by Afghans all over. So I would assume the Russians in central Asia comparing with Turkic sunnis whom like Arabs forbids Zeyaratgah and practiced widely in Iran lead them to conclude as “Shia”?
But agian original Russians sources never claimed Farsiwans are Shia, so where did you get your Shai source from Mr. Ghali? You like Westerners also like to say they were Shia, its just an influnce, Kandahars also visit Zeyaratgah.
So let’s move on According to 1959 Russian Data Afghan population was 16.1 million adapted by Dutch and Norway and few others and later adapted by United nation unchanged figure remained as same as 16.1 million.
Shell we continue? Research from 1950s to 1957 completed as Afghanistan having to be home of 20 “nations” I repeat the word “Nations” was used and if someone reads the document in Russian they will know Russian don’t say “Tribes” as it’s an English word. So what does it mean 20 nations? Examples in the book given as Gilzi, Cackar, Hepdali. These were the 3 main tribes which the Russians recorded as being example of “nations” it reads further "belonging to different linguistic groups."
So "different linguistic groups" What does that mean? Well lets read on “Slightly more than half the population are Pastun about over 8 million”. So now we know Pashtu speakers were some ½ of the population. “In the western and north Eastern of the provinces lives another major linguistic group the Tajiks about 3.2 million people. The southern Uzbeks some 1.5 million, Hazara 1.4 million, Turkmens 0.3 million”.
The list went on and on. Here we witness data from 1959 the whole data concluded that Afghanistan had 20 “nations” and 12 Linguistic groups (Pashtuns,Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kazaks, Hazaras, Turkmens, nuristani, Baluchi, Kirghiz, Kazakhs, and Arabs).
Page 156-159 Caubul, 2nd London 1809 however he seems to copied Masson's version of 1826 rewritten in 1842 was the copy of page 114, Elphinstone, vol.I, 1839. <----- this Sources rejects your so called "Tajik, Uzbek BS" as well
It was interesting since the word Pashtun for the first time in western source was taken and population of Pashtun brought down by 1 million and Indians were record as 5.7 million. So on hand I looked at the table the word “Avgan” from Masson with population remain same as yet 1839 as well as 1842 version during the time of Sikh occupation as well as Anglo Afghan wars total Afghanistan population same as 14 million and read as
"Pashtuns 4.3 million, Beloches 1 million, Persians 1.5 million, Tartars 1.2 million, Indians 5.7 million (Kafir, Casmeerees,Juts,etc) and Miscellaneous Tribes 0.3 million total 14 million."
Notice how there is no Uzbek/Hazara/Tajik but only Tatars and Persians that is just us Farsiwans.Indians might also apply to some Afghan tribes like hindkos, Pashias “Kafir” as well as Kashmiris and Jats because Afghanistan still had power of Kashmir until second Afghan-Anglo war. However in 1893 Afghanistan population of 14 million was 7 million and then Iran took some parts as well as Russia and that might of cut another few hundred thousand people. Interestingly the word “Persian” remain as 1.5 million and Pashtun in Afghanistan was 3 million. As said by a drunk general of British “We took half of Afghanistan and 25% of Pathan are now to become our slaves”
So Cut your crap I know What Farsiwan Means, and who we are.
Lets start with 600,000 Farsiwans in 1956 was recorded by the Russian in the sense to apply combined Dari speaking population of the North Western Afghanistan “Farah, Herat and Ghur combined”. Remember we are talking 1959. Afghanistan was caculated by Regions divided as North central, West, North-West, South West, East, North East, South East, Central and south Central". Interestingly I last saw same number "600,000" published in 1999 as well as 2006 actually check out even the professional “researched” book Historical Dictionary of Afghanistan page 33 Adamec, Ludwig W. 2003.
LOL that one professional Russian research and yet one idea of BS about Zeyratgah/Mazar with Persian connection never changed LOL 600,000 of 1956-1959 adapted by UN in 1968, then copied in the book “Cities in the Middle East” Ed. L. Brown, Princeton, 1973, copied by L.Dupree 1980,
LOL Also Mentioned in Britannica of 1999 as being same “Farsiwan a name applied by the Pashtuns ‘Parziban’ to Iranian stock estimated 600,000 in 1999” in 2003 by Adamec, Ludwig W. And even a research PFD file from NGO gives the estimate to be same. Someone shell ask does this group of Farsiwan ever give birth or die. Cause Population of Pashtuns from Pakistan of 1972 grew from 7 million of Pakistan to 16% in 1998, yet Farsiwans of 1956-59 did not rise to 3 million forget 3 million lol not even double to 1.2 million
The fact is that Pashtuns are dominated if not 50% at least 47 % if 47% at least 42% but what difference would it make, since for years they had been involved in Making this Language which you speak “Farsi”. Its Pashtuns themselves who choose to speak Dari.
Yes I am saying what I have always said there is no such a thing as “27% Tajiks” and if that goes by means of tongue fine people should also know we are not same as Turkic people of Tajikistan nor Iran. We are deep Afghan majority of 27% Tajik category can be classified by means of “Tribal” identity as Afghan. Look at any famous singers, politicians that would be identified as non-Pashtun or 27% Tajiks yet have Pashtu related tribal names and identity.
Majority of us in the West we speak Dari, own TV stations, as well as newspapers we don’t say “Zendabad “Tajik” or praise in any way of such. But rather we proudly say “We are Afghan” and that by means of Race, culture, Religion, be it if by means of nationality. In every ways we take pride of Afghanistan, Afghaniyat, food, tradition, and our culture which is shared with Pashtun in many ways.
Now that aside from Kabulzada anyone wants more details, sources, or have questions you are more than welcome to ask.
Ironically Uzbeks of Afghanistan and Hazaras are our friends. We Farsiwans meet with them in our jobs, concerts, work with them, play cards, play soccar and basketball, watch movies and even enjoy a little bet of political talk.
We get along just fine. Only here in the websites we are enemies. On TV its religous matters. Nothing such as ethnic BS is talked about. Grow up Ghalis remove your sites it won't help you people to do anything. Ethnic Tajik what ethnic and which Tajik has been the subject for discussion for a long time. What was the result? nothing, You Ghalis need to understand that Afghanistan belongs to Afghans, from its culture to its history.The Racial Afghan group in classified by tongue are the Pashtuns, if you want to argue about the origin or the language itself you would reach again back to Awesta. Its a simple matter, just because you are lost by Wikipedia does not mean everyone is lost.
No I am not saying that this forum wanted him to abuse me or others, however it explains how kind and patient we are to our enemies. For those of us having experence in other forum we saw how they were kicked out and yet too late cause most people hated coming on forum because of these people. Doing nothing but abusing, hate was the hot topic in every Afghan forum. I requested the Admins of those forum to banned them so they did, most of the time. Too late, this forum is a Pashtun dominated forum. As he Kabulzada with the fake came and so much freedom he had to diss us in every way. As well dissing PAshtuns, the pashtun culture, history, kings and calling names. This forum is a pashtun dominated forum and here 80% are kind hearted Pashtun people the 20% are us so called "non-Pashtun" either from Bangal, Punjab/Sindh/India/Iran/Turkey/Iraq and Afghanistan. This forum has given the platform to give our opinions as well as learn from others. Now What Kabulzada had been doing is dissing and not responding to people nor answering the question or staying on top of one topic. Anyone going to his website and his so called "Afghanprofil" created their own history from nothing air, pooof nothing else. Some of us have been there and for those who never has, please don't cause its nothing but BS, no source nor any names just their own crap from tajikam.
I someone took my time and responded in detail about his BS as well as others who are lost into what these ghalis wants and say. The Most interesting thing about this account "Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada" that he always wanted to come here but never did, so now when he choose to come he had his Gang behind him as well, MOD knows what I am talking about. They faken their identity. In Fact this was what Kabulzada introduced himself as and long ago I suspected him from beginning. Not because I have special power, but simply I know their mentaily, their agenda, and their goal as well reading their "Afgprofile sites and tajikam". These people are not new to me, and I am not new to them. For me it was sometimes hard back in old days and I went through those hard times where first they wanted to be friend and then show their true nasty faces. Needless to say but they are not Kids either and aside from all they are anti-Afghan.
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LET´S FOCUS ON THE MAIN TOPIC. Do they non-Pashtuns have the same righst as Pashtuns?
What rights? You as a non-Pashtun actually a non-Afghan or Shell I just anti-Afghan come here in Pashtun and Diss Pashtun without being banned. What you think? Well lets talk about it shell we? You Shias are in Afghanistan and Compare your lives to those Sunnis living in Iran, be it if they are Arab stock, Baloch stock, Or Afghan stock in eastern border they all suffer in main cities none of them have Sunni mosque, and Perhaps few main mosques mainly in the East of Iran. Are there any sunni mosques in Sheraz? Tehran? Or any other major cities? Don’t think so where as you people have Shai mosque all over Afghanistan before Daud Khan, during Soviet and even today you Shais grew stronger in terms of business, literature education while Afghanistan is under occupation you 20%-30% non-Afghan stocks of Afghanistan enjoy in every Field. Ok Perhaps I shell realistic that yes we Farsiwan as well as Pashtuns of main city also involved in the so called “improvement” and promote peace and love but yet majority of those group some 60% of total population are not happy with foreign occupation and Ghali developments.
But what do you say about the deep devision in Afghanistan along it´s ethnicities in the society, political stage, education institution etc.? If that goes on at the end the country will devide.
What Division? What Ethnicities? And what society? Which society? The ghali Society? the Hazara society? the Uzbek society? the Afghan society? which society you are referring to?
I mean, Pashtuns can not even leave with eachother right now, how they want to live with Panjabized Pakistani Pathans who differ from them greatly?
If the Afghans lived under the Shai Safivads and survived, lived under Mongolid era and survived, and here we Farsiwans choose to leave with you Ghalis living in our society as part of us and yet disrespecting us and spreading lies and hate amongst us despite all we lived with you. We did not kicked you back to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan/Iran or China simply forget about “Panjabized Pakistan Pathans” in reality if we Farsiwans attend the prayers In Pakistani mosques pray side by side, by the name of Islam we can even live with Punjabis.
Can someone keep Karzai from that plan away or throw him out of the country? Karzai is already playing with the ethnical card and invites Pakistan to Afghanistan.
Karzai is not representing majority but rather Ghalis and non Afghan stocks which is why he is in Power. Also how can we forget Ghali leaders such as Agha Khan and etc giving open conference speechs about “All Nation of my people if they are my people shell support Karzai in this Election”. The people who wants Karzai in Power are those of galamjam, Bachabaz, and Ghalis who are non-Afghan.
. I also want to know explecite informations how to keep to independnt people like Uzbeks from that plan away. They have their supports under Turkey, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Russia.
Hell man I thought you only grammar and spelling problem, but you have way lots of problems in your writing Just use some remain brain cell when typing. What the Hell does that sentence supposed to mean? Independent Uzbeks and then you Ghalis claim they have support under Turkey, Uzbekistan, Russia. Which is a reality they have but what makes you say “Independent” do you know the concept of being independent?
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even western sources like BBC and Others knows that "Although roughly half the population of this western province is thought to be Pashtun, only one candidate from this ethnic group won a seat in parliament" Institute for War & Peace Reporting http://reliefweb.int/node/378208
Ok so you want to say that Pashtuns are not dominated in Herat or not even in Afghanistan and that they are not even 20 % or I think I remember in your forum you people always say these Indian Sulimani people are not even 25%. Right. Ok so you people also say now wants the pashtuns to stop faking on PAshtunistan issue otherwise you will break Afghanistan sorry your like like Agha Khan, Dostom, Pedram whichever dog it maybe will break Afghanistan if we don't stop our fight with your financial supporters the ISI?
And since your Kabulov from origin you want us to stop taking pride on kicking out Russia and freeing many Soviet occupied unions including your Tajikistan. Ohh yeah Pride is bad we know but its a fact right.. so Facts are facts. And you want us to believe you right. Wow short amount of time you convinced us all to stop and forget about Afghanistan and everyone should come into your forum and enjoy bashing the bani Israel.
Shayesta: I am not even exaggerating when I say that at least 90% of their singers either copy Afghans, either sing with Afghan singers, either throw concerts for Afghans, and become millionaires that way.
lol hahaha damn, they can´t ''copy'' (you mean cover) any song without any permission. And even if they do so, those Farsiwans in Afghanistan are the same as in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Iran. They share the same culture, language and identity, such as Pashtuns in Afghanistan share the same culture and identity with Pakistani and Indian or Bengali Pashtuns. That´s why Iran, Tajikistan and Afghanistan are co-working in many bands like Tv programs, education, policy, economy...
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You have no right to speak on behalf of us, talk about your own ghali warriors but don’t try to be associated to non-Ghali groups.
From Wardak to Khalilzad and Karzai. They all want US staying in Afghanistan. Rahim Wardak was even an CIA agent ... but keep pointing your own faults and blood drinking on others. That´s an aspect of many Pashtuns where they are very good in.
Ok makes sense to say that Karzai is an CIA agent as many in the Government are corrupted but how does that lead you Ghalis to that Pashtuns are good at drinking blood of other. Indeed Individual slaves of the west, so what you thought Satan is only in the blood of you Ghalis alone and not other human beings.
So, you want to take their rights for their own independance? Who are you? How you wanna do that? You have not even the dignity and honour to show your face here and put your address to show the Users here who you are and than tell us all your BS again. Talking behind PC is the only think you can. Isn´t that hypocrite. The Pashtuns are allowed to ask for Pashtunistan but Hazaras have not the right to establish their own country in a region where they are majority (90%)?
Ohh I am so scared stupid I had said this in the front of hundreds of People. You don’t know Sh$t about me so shut up. I am not hidden nor jerks like you to post BS things in the web and call it Afghanprofile. I am here on the planet and we openly have these discussion in front of Hazaras/Uzbeks and anyone who thinks Afghanistan is not Afghan –Istan Besides having said that we in Toronto are majority Farsiwans we do and discuss and post local newspapers all the time triggering such issues on making sure people are educated on the subjects and not such Pooof air like you Ghalis.
Pashtuns are allowed to ask for Pashtunistan but Hazaras have not the right to establish their own country in a region where they are majority (90%)?
Afghan Setan is the land of Afghans, we as immigrants of Canada would not ask for independent region just because 90% of Scarborough is Asianic and non-white. Regard to say this but Hazaras lived in the isolated dry area why which the native Afghan Race population had been wiped out even Cats and Dogs so they were just lucky to have lived in the Afghan area and pushed or killed the local Afghan races. Historically if they argue for a land sure Mongolia and Tajikistan is available for them. I am 100% sure Hazaras are not stupid we love them. However from my prospective majority of whom I know specially those came from Iran, love Afghanistan. They want live in Afghanistan, and we will support them in every way we can. You are just a loser that you can’t see great individuals who unlike you Tajikistanis had been playing a major role in the Afghan society. Bashardoost is one of the few politicians of Afghanistan who has won majority of Pashtun hearts. He is loved by people including my self. We will support them in any means when they are speaking for Afghanistan and if they speak Against Afghanistan like you Ghalis then indeed they will suffer. These are just words which don’t want, deep inside we love our Hazaras its just you ghalis whom some of them converted to Ghali religion, put them in danger. BTW majority of Hazara don’t like you Ismailis so be it speak to them you will get slapped in the face.
Afghan is not a race
Who is saying that ghali site Afghanprofile or Tajikam lol Stupid Race define Race. Ethnicity lol yeah Define Ethnicity so much for your Persian pride why not merge the word “Tajik” into this Persian. I know you won’t be able to answer this. Due to your ignorance and propaganda of dividing Afghans. Afghan race is beyond your understanding its dominated Race of far parts of Eastern Iran, and Afghanistan 70-75% and 70% of western Pakistan. Ethnicity the terms you think of them are all legacy of Hoopla lol and believe me Langauge is the key founding of such groups. After all genetically, features, and culture of Tajiks and Uzbeks are same as I have witnessed myself as living there yet only separated by tongue.
despite 40% of Afghanistan are Tajiks and you do not have the right to deny the identity of any person. Let´s say Farsiwan. So, what´s with Farsiwan?
See this for your answer.
Farsiwans are Shia and Dari-speaking western Tajiks, despite the fact that the word also means Persian. Farsiwans give a **** abt you and your comments. That´s why they allied themself under NA against your parents and brothers coming from Pakistan. …………. Can you prove that? According to all major studies Pashtu is spoken by 35%. Besides that, why Uzbeks and Hazaras are now not part of your ''Afghan'' calculation but ''Farsiwans'' are? Ridicolous and pathetic.
As side from that since American projects were conducted and as they were building dams etc was nothing compare to Russian investment. Also Russians were major in almost everything and their research specially with demographics was a little better than Americans. Any data/research and servy/Cansus from 1918-1975 most of Russian research in Afghan was accepted by UN as a fact.
Let me educate you about the word which you use. It’s a native word to Dari speaking Afghans as they never recognized the word Tajik until Russian influence came (During Zahir Shah) (Read Your own anti-Afghan Iranica source which also confirms this. “Tājik was a heteronym bestowed by the local Uzbeks, and adopted by the ruling Pashtuns and the local Persian-speakers themselves in comparatively recent times. In journalistic usage it is increasingly applied to speakers of Persian” this article the ETHNONYM was published in 2009 LOL You need to update Afghanprofile cause Iranica is changed as well LOL after all we crushed their BS, and brought their attention to the international world academic for which they were found to be liars and making BS. We Farsiwans proved them wrong with prove as well Dari published articles in Germany, Norway and here in Canada.
We argued them to removed their lies about Hafiz, Saadi and Rumi talking about the word “Tajik” because it was never mention and now only Behaqi seems to be new one Which simply say “Ashqari as Sultan Hayat dar manzeri on ki Ma Tazhi Khowhan astem wa baz Sul wa Haramish sultanate Khowahem” LOL Tazi means Arabs, and Tazhikhowhan means pro-Arabs .
Even still Iranica once again wants to lie with Behaqi who never mentioned Tajiks, they took four word out of context to make up for “Ta Ma Tazhikan”.
lol Anyways we will get them inshallah on that lies as well I looked it back in 2010, and I forgot about it so we have to do something about this lie as well.
This Iranica tries connecting the modern word "Tajik" with anything old hass always been in demand of anti-Afghans, but inshallah no such source has been found until this day. Proves itself that there was no Tajiks before Mongolians.
They try to connect the Arab group but lol even Iranca doesn't know what to make sense out of this word "Tajik" the fact that its so new and also do to their Turkic origin and formation of their features, genes and culture resulte of fusion between Uzbeks and Mongols.
For you people only Wikipedia now is the target don’t worry I washed my hands from Wikipedia but as longs as Iranica cuts back on their BS and article from 1984 we Farsiwans will be fine with them.
So since I proved you that the word “Tajik” was never historically applied on us Farsiwans. You go ahead and wash out your Afghanprofile or keep BS. But Facts are Facts.
How did it came into Afghanistan? Well It was only the time of Daud Khan when young Russian educated communist student were used where the word “Tajik” was mentioned to propagandize the Russian legitimacy of foreign occupation or future intervention a sense, the Russian heavily supported the word to Afghanistan where 75% of the people were uneducated and that would obviously lead to question of who is Pashtun and who is Tajik and where are us Farsiwans.
The Oldest and most detailed account of Afghan demographic which we never had until this day Please fallow this source.
Лит.: [Ефремов Ю. К.], Физико-географический очерк, в сборнике: Современный Афганистан, М., 1960; Зарубежная Азия. Физическая география, М., 1956; Мухаммед Али, Афганистан, пер. [с англ.], М., 1957; HumIumJ., La geographic de l"Afganistan, Cph., 1959.
It was first published in 1959, used that data of so called “Farsiwans” a note detected at the bottom of the page as what Russians recorded as “Tajiks of Afghanistan call themselves “Farsiwans” but we think this group shell be more accepted to Western Tajiks fold amongst the Pashtuns close to Iran as the word indicate “Farsi” is equal to Persian since their dialect is different from majority of Tajiks in the north and Persian influence in their religion as seen by the practice of visiting death body”. LOL Death Body visiting how is that Shia for L. Dupree or anyone? Maybe prohibited by Sunni Arab regions but this practiced by Afghans all over. So I would assume the Russians in central Asia comparing with Turkic sunnis whom like Arabs forbids Zeyaratgah and practiced widely in Iran lead them to conclude as “Shia”?
But agian original Russians sources never claimed Farsiwans are Shia, so where did you get your Shai source from Mr. Ghali? You like Westerners also like to say they were Shia, its just an influnce, Kandahars also visit Zeyaratgah.
So let’s move on According to 1959 Russian Data Afghan population was 16.1 million adapted by Dutch and Norway and few others and later adapted by United nation unchanged figure remained as same as 16.1 million.
Shell we continue? Research from 1950s to 1957 completed as Afghanistan having to be home of 20 “nations” I repeat the word “Nations” was used and if someone reads the document in Russian they will know Russian don’t say “Tribes” as it’s an English word. So what does it mean 20 nations? Examples in the book given as Gilzi, Cackar, Hepdali. These were the 3 main tribes which the Russians recorded as being example of “nations” it reads further "belonging to different linguistic groups."
So "different linguistic groups" What does that mean? Well lets read on “Slightly more than half the population are Pastun about over 8 million”. So now we know Pashtu speakers were some ½ of the population. “In the western and north Eastern of the provinces lives another major linguistic group the Tajiks about 3.2 million people. The southern Uzbeks some 1.5 million, Hazara 1.4 million, Turkmens 0.3 million”.
The list went on and on. Here we witness data from 1959 the whole data concluded that Afghanistan had 20 “nations” and 12 Linguistic groups (Pashtuns,Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kazaks, Hazaras, Turkmens, nuristani, Baluchi, Kirghiz, Kazakhs, and Arabs).
Page 156-159 Caubul, 2nd London 1809 however he seems to copied Masson's version of 1826 rewritten in 1842 was the copy of page 114, Elphinstone, vol.I, 1839. <----- this Sources rejects your so called "Tajik, Uzbek BS" as well
It was interesting since the word Pashtun for the first time in western source was taken and population of Pashtun brought down by 1 million and Indians were record as 5.7 million. So on hand I looked at the table the word “Avgan” from Masson with population remain same as yet 1839 as well as 1842 version during the time of Sikh occupation as well as Anglo Afghan wars total Afghanistan population same as 14 million and read as
"Pashtuns 4.3 million, Beloches 1 million, Persians 1.5 million, Tartars 1.2 million, Indians 5.7 million (Kafir, Casmeerees,Juts,etc) and Miscellaneous Tribes 0.3 million total 14 million."
Notice how there is no Uzbek/Hazara/Tajik but only Tatars and Persians that is just us Farsiwans.Indians might also apply to some Afghan tribes like hindkos, Pashias “Kafir” as well as Kashmiris and Jats because Afghanistan still had power of Kashmir until second Afghan-Anglo war. However in 1893 Afghanistan population of 14 million was 7 million and then Iran took some parts as well as Russia and that might of cut another few hundred thousand people. Interestingly the word “Persian” remain as 1.5 million and Pashtun in Afghanistan was 3 million. As said by a drunk general of British “We took half of Afghanistan and 25% of Pathan are now to become our slaves”
So Cut your crap I know What Farsiwan Means, and who we are.
Lets start with 600,000 Farsiwans in 1956 was recorded by the Russian in the sense to apply combined Dari speaking population of the North Western Afghanistan “Farah, Herat and Ghur combined”. Remember we are talking 1959. Afghanistan was caculated by Regions divided as North central, West, North-West, South West, East, North East, South East, Central and south Central". Interestingly I last saw same number "600,000" published in 1999 as well as 2006 actually check out even the professional “researched” book Historical Dictionary of Afghanistan page 33 Adamec, Ludwig W. 2003.
LOL that one professional Russian research and yet one idea of BS about Zeyratgah/Mazar with Persian connection never changed LOL 600,000 of 1956-1959 adapted by UN in 1968, then copied in the book “Cities in the Middle East” Ed. L. Brown, Princeton, 1973, copied by L.Dupree 1980,
LOL Also Mentioned in Britannica of 1999 as being same “Farsiwan a name applied by the Pashtuns ‘Parziban’ to Iranian stock estimated 600,000 in 1999” in 2003 by Adamec, Ludwig W. And even a research PFD file from NGO gives the estimate to be same. Someone shell ask does this group of Farsiwan ever give birth or die. Cause Population of Pashtuns from Pakistan of 1972 grew from 7 million of Pakistan to 16% in 1998, yet Farsiwans of 1956-59 did not rise to 3 million forget 3 million lol not even double to 1.2 million
The fact is that Pashtuns are dominated if not 50% at least 47 % if 47% at least 42% but what difference would it make, since for years they had been involved in Making this Language which you speak “Farsi”. Its Pashtuns themselves who choose to speak Dari.
Yes I am saying what I have always said there is no such a thing as “27% Tajiks” and if that goes by means of tongue fine people should also know we are not same as Turkic people of Tajikistan nor Iran. We are deep Afghan majority of 27% Tajik category can be classified by means of “Tribal” identity as Afghan. Look at any famous singers, politicians that would be identified as non-Pashtun or 27% Tajiks yet have Pashtu related tribal names and identity.
Majority of us in the West we speak Dari, own TV stations, as well as newspapers we don’t say “Zendabad “Tajik” or praise in any way of such. But rather we proudly say “We are Afghan” and that by means of Race, culture, Religion, be it if by means of nationality. In every ways we take pride of Afghanistan, Afghaniyat, food, tradition, and our culture which is shared with Pashtun in many ways.
Now that aside from Kabulzada anyone wants more details, sources, or have questions you are more than welcome to ask.
Ironically Uzbeks of Afghanistan and Hazaras are our friends. We Farsiwans meet with them in our jobs, concerts, work with them, play cards, play soccar and basketball, watch movies and even enjoy a little bet of political talk.
We get along just fine. Only here in the websites we are enemies. On TV its religous matters. Nothing such as ethnic BS is talked about. Grow up Ghalis remove your sites it won't help you people to do anything. Ethnic Tajik what ethnic and which Tajik has been the subject for discussion for a long time. What was the result? nothing, You Ghalis need to understand that Afghanistan belongs to Afghans, from its culture to its history.The Racial Afghan group in classified by tongue are the Pashtuns, if you want to argue about the origin or the language itself you would reach again back to Awesta. Its a simple matter, just because you are lost by Wikipedia does not mean everyone is lost.
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