Are US Military Officials Ignoring Evidence Of Rape Involving Afghan Security Forces?

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/afghani...position.shtml

I don´t know why the topic starter cries. ANA is Afghanistan´s national army. Awarded by Karzai and his government and they are proud of it. So whatever they do, they do it for Afghanistan, the nation and the government. At least there are some calls for another government and another future.

[Shayesta]

Pakhtuns have come back to their senses, really?? so are they stopping all this Darizubaan?

Why should we stop Dari-zubans and what for? Gone are those days of Kabul when a Pukhtoon marries a Tajik then he becomes Tajikized, more and more schools are being opened in Pukhto and the very same Jalalabad which had only Dari-speaking faculty have now opened Pukhto faculties. Fact.

what about in parliment,

What about it? Every politician on high ranks speak both Pukhto and Dari as compared to decades back when Dari only was enough. Fact.

please dont insult my intelligence,

Which intelligence? Somewhere who has never been to Afghanistan, never spoke to people in Afghanistan, never visited it's faculties, what intelligence do you want me to expect from him?

we all know Dari is more afghanistani than Pashto and its ironic how that statement shouldt make sence

There is no more or less Dari-Pukhto, both languages are national languages and whichever Afghan in Afghanistan who is well-educated speaks both languages. Fact.

Part of Afghanistan? even the current India was part of afghanistan in 'the good old days'

Except for they weren't Pukhtoons, ehum.....

your talking about my guts, forget about 'where' rather were ARE your guts to stop dari influence in afghanistan now?

Dari influence has been there for centuries, even you have lived under it. And like I said for someone who has never been to Afghanistan I cannot explain what status Pukhto holds today. Instead of arguing for arguments sake don't use your so-called intelligence in conflict with facts, you will get nothing but more ignorance out of it.

The people that dies wernt billionares, they were normal hard working citizens.

The citizens didn't get out of their beds and found weapons underneath it and went on war, no. They were funded by someone and those 'someone' are the ones aided billions of Dollars. I nonetheless would love to see the evidence for your claims (which you don't have anyway)?

your government is even worse its recieving american $$'s and not giving anything back.

Like yours, we could turn back the favour of interference and infiltration of terrorists. Sounds like an idea?

Well unlike you iv never been an ass kisser or just join a team for the sake of belonging to something,

Whose ass have I kissed to join which team for sake of belonging where?

if i go to the shop and dont find anything that is made for me then i walk the F out empty handed, why settle for something my heart isnt in?

That's why I know beforehand which shop to go to and which not to waste my time on. Nice comparison by the way, shop and a country. And then people say countries aren't affordable......

in your head you have no choice but to belong to something,

Try to read your own head first (if there's anything going on there) before joking about mine. I don't need to belong to Afghanistan, but I do and I am not responsible for Afghanistan's situation so nor am ashamed of it. You have no choice but to belong to UK (I wonder why?) while I got plenty of choices where I want to belong to, it's called human choice.

whats hilarious is that you probly know how currupt afghanistan is yet your proud of that fact.

What's even more hilarious is besides being one of world's biggest and strongest army, one of the few nuclear weapons, and over sixty years in history (even though you owe your existence to foreign aids till today's date) your country still is one of most corrupt, troubled, terror-sheltering and politically weak nations on earth.

your 100% Afghan? congratulations cuz well im 100% Pashtun.

What happened? Un-Pakified in a jiffy?

What nonsence that sentance was. you wish.

I am glad you missed the sense in your own sarcasm.

[Admin Khan]

Manzareh,

I hope you are in good health.


I don't think you are aware but unlike Punjabis and Sindhis, nearly every Tajik or Parsiwaan uses Pashto words, and knows the basics of Pashto. For instance, you daily hear Tajiks in Afghanistan talk about Loya Jirga, the Masharano Jirga this, the Kasharano Jirga that because they are required to do so, they have no choice. Take the currency bills for example, they have Pashto written all over them. A Tajik can't become a businessman if he is illiterate in Afghanistan, because historically all the currency bills are in Pashto! While the kids in Pakistan are forced to sing a Farsi national anthem, in Afghanistan, you sing it in Pashto! Pashto is also enjoys the status of a national language. Now apply what I just said to Pakistan, where we are twice the population, yet we have no Pashto schools, and as days pass, we are deviating from our language and culture. Take a look at Osho's thread and his observations when he visited Southern Afghanistan, according to him, all he heard and witnessed was Pashto. In our Pashtunkhwa, unfortunately, finding a Pashto sign is rare and when someone finds a sign in Pashto, they usually pose and take a picture with it because it's hardly found. Pashtuns on both sides should be working on unity, not pointing out each others flaw. It's sad to see you and Graveyardofempires at each others neck, and ready to slice each others throats. Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You are both Pashtun/Afghan, yet falling into the traps of your enemies.

Also, we need to be realistic. Pashto in Pakistan has no role at all while in Afghanistan it's required to work in the government. Don't believe me? Take a look at the job requirements, they clearly state "Pashto and Dari required". When you, if you ever, visit southern Afghanistan you will quickly realize that 'Pashto is thriving, and boy was I wrong'. Don't judge Afghanistan based on Youtube. More and more Pashto channels are launching, and if you talk about the entertainment industry Tajiks sing in Pashto and take pride in it. The rest, I think Shayesta khor said best. Oh, and nearly every political in Afghanistan is fluent in both Pashto and Dari. Don't you remember the Afghan presidential elections? You even had a Hazara, Bashardost, debating in Pashto. I'll leave the explanation part to her, Shayesta seems to be good at it.

I dedicate this song to you, it's been sung by your Tajik brother.

YouTube - ‪Taher Shubab Pashto New Song 2011 - Dastan - HD‬‏

You can't judge Afghanistan by it's state right now[although it's improving]. Corrupt N/A war lords are in power, while most of the Pashtuns are fighting in fierce opposition. This is the N.A officials taking revenge on Pashtuns, because during the Taliban regime, nearly everyone was forced to speak in Pashto, and Pashto only. The aforementioned was the direct effect of Kandahar serving as the de-facto capital for the Taliban, where Pashto is spoken, written, and understood by all. In fact, you might not believe me, but nearly every Tajik I know can speak both Pashto and Dari, and they are mostly from Kabul. Take what I said for what it's worth, but I have no reason to lie. After all, Kabul province is Pashtun majority.


That's all Manzareh. Good luck with everything. I hope we can improve our status in our Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan.

[Manzareh]

Why should we stop Dari-zubans and what for?

the same reason why you believe pashtuns should stop punjabi influence.

Gone are those days of Kabul when a Pukhtoon marries a Tajik then he becomes Tajikized, more and more schools are being opened in Pukhto and the very same Jalalabad which had only Dari-speaking faculty have now opened Pukhto faculties. Fact.

but a meer sentence ago you sounded so proud of Dari and now your proud of losing the Dari as more Pakhtun schools are being built. make your mind up

What about it? Every politician on high ranks speak both Pukhto and Dari as compared to decades back when Dari only was enough. Fact.

So moving away from Dari is a good thing?. either your up for Dari in your 50% pashtun country or your not. its simple

Which intelligence? Somewhere who has never been to Afghanistan, never spoke to people in Afghanistan, never visited it's faculties, what intelligence do you want me to expect from him?

1) Iv been to afghanistan
2) i have spoke to the people in afghanistan
3) i have visited many places

Just remember your not the all knowing all seeing just because your a high and mighty afghanistani, you dont have special powers.

There is no more or less Dari-Pukhto, both languages are national languages and whichever Afghan in Afghanistan who is well-educated speaks both languages. Fact.

a meer couple of sentances ago you wer talking about how afghanistan is becoming less dari influence....Fact. and now your proud of a pashtun country having a dual language...Fact.

Plus youve just admitted its not a pashtun country.. HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE; Your proud and will settle for a "shared country" whilst people like me wont settle for that because we believe our 60 million pashtuns of the world are good enough and deserve a country that doesnt have to be shared with anyone, you people have double standards, on one side you call pashtuns in pakistan names for having anything to do with urdu/punjabi and then on the other you think its ok to mix yourselfs so much with dari people to an extent were you share your national language with them. but obviously we all know why..its not because you wish it to be a shared country with dari zubaans its because you dont have a damn choice thats why lol.

Dari influence has been there for centuries, even you have lived under it. And like I said for someone who has never been to Afghanistan I cannot explain what status Pukhto holds today. Instead of arguing for arguments sake don't use your so-called intelligence in conflict with facts, you will get nothing but more ignorance out of it.

The ignorant thing is you assuming i havnt been to afghanistan. trust me your ignorant along with gravyardofempires

The citizens didn't get out of their beds and found weapons underneath it and went on war, no. They were funded by someone and those 'someone' are the ones aided billions of Dollars. I nonetheless would love to see the evidence for your claims (which you don't have anyway)?

Your point is illogical, you dont need evidence because you think not even a single person from pakistan died fighting for what they thaught was right?? something sinister was behind all of them. you have 0% respect for any dead person that died that was from pakistan, you speak for all of them as if you new each of them personally, you dont even count them as humans.y? its because of a psychological disorder...its called 'racism'

Like yours, we could turn back the favour of interference and infiltration of terrorists. Sounds like an idea?

Like yours like mine, oh my daddy will beat your daddy up blah blah blah, grow up.

Whose ass have I kissed to join which team for sake of belonging where?

I shoudnt need to repeat myself, surely your smart enough to work it out.

That's why I know beforehand which shop to go to and which not to waste my time on. Nice comparison by the way, shop and a country. And then people say countries aren't affordable......

Well i dont know beforehand, whats beforehand got to do with it? i gave a scenario starting in the shop i wasnt speaking about beforehand or what i ate last night.

Try to read your own head first (if there's anything going on there) before joking about mine. I don't need to belong to Afghanistan, but I do and I am not responsible for Afghanistan's situation so nor am ashamed of it. You have no choice but to belong to UK (I wonder why?) while I got plenty of choices where I want to belong to, it's called human choice.

Inalilahi wa' ina ilayhi raji'oun. currently my people have no country for me to defend, pakistan means land of the clean but we know its not, afghanistan means land of pashtuns but we all know its not, maybe half yeah, iv never settled for half in anything, its just not me.

What's even more hilarious is besides being one of world's biggest and strongest army, one of the few nuclear weapons, and over sixty years in history (even though you owe your existence to foreign aids till today's date) your country still is one of most corrupt, troubled, terror-sheltering and politically weak nations on earth.

If your talking about Pakistan, yes i agree. so?

What happened? Un-Pakified in a jiffy?

Pakistani is not a race, theirs a difference between nationality and race.

[Manzareh]

@admin thanks, i will get back to you tomorrow, all those making quotes speaking to shysta in single sentences and dividers was as hard as communicating with my 2 month old niece.

[faye]

love that music clip admin. very good.

[Shayesta]

Manzareh, if you are running out of words then it doesn't mean you should put words into my mouth so you can keep arguing for arguments' sake. And I am by the way impressed of your two month old niece being able to communicate, but just for your sake I won't quote you line for line:

Dari influence is in Tajik majority areas so I have got no idea why the influence should be stopped there, but Pekhawer is a Pukhtoon majority and historically Pukhtoon area so why has Pukhton influence fallen back so painfully? I dare you to find Pukhtoon areas in Afghanistan which got more Dari influence than Pukhto, and since you claim you have been to Afghanistan then I dare you to name me those place where you have seen Pukhtoons being Persianized in their own majority areas? I never was proud of Dari, nor proud of losing it and nor did I say we are losing Dari. I said that Pukhto's status is increasing day by day, and an example is that you wouldn't find one non-Pukhtoon in Kabul who cannot speak Pukhto. Despite of all the hardship we face today, I am amazed that regardless of our situation we have made Pukhto much more important than we could have ever imagined! But what hardship is Pekhawer facing, mate?

Nor did I ever claim Afghanistan is a Pukhtoon country, it's merely a Pukhtoon majority. Punjabis are majority in Pakistan and yet Urdu and English are official languages, not Punjabi. In Afghanistan Pukhto at least did become a national language after all. And me connecting to Afghanistan got nothing to do with my pride or arrogance, it's got to do with facts and a fact is that that's what I am, an Afghan. It's you who think you are too good to share a land, not me. And regarding Afghan Pukhtoons calling Pakistani Pukhtoons Punjabized, do I have to remind you of how many Pakistani Pukhtoons call us Persianized? And that also despite of our national language, national anthem, political language usage, economical usage, musical fame (Pukhto songs by the way are becoming even more popular than Dari ones), national performance, national customs, and God knows what else? And we got huge number of Dari speakers because of which we share national language, but on what basis did Pakistan choose a Dari national anthem?

And we got no choice than to share our land forcibly with Tajiks? Mate, every single leader in the past had the option of going for an independent Pukhtunistan, which never happened. There were only talks of Loy Afghanistan but hardly of Pukhtunistan, which is a big, big example of our wish. Even if today we decide to break away from North of Afghanistan then we don't fear Tajik resistance or interference, unlike Pakhtunkhwa who will have to go through bloodshed if you even dare speaking of separation from Pakistan. Despite of our state, we got much more option than you could ever have. And about me not respecting Pakistani lives lost in Afghanistan, I have always believed that every person should die for his own country. Fair enough if they want to give support but any foreign feet on our soil will eventually lead to disasters, and with Taliban Pakistani government proved why it cared for Afghan war.

And if you keep on moaning about status of Pukhto in Afghanistan as compared to Pakhtunkhwa, then if you don't believe ask the following Afghans who have visited Kabul not too long ago; Admin, Lail,a Zahed, Feroza, Angaar, Edris and these are just a couple I remember for now.

[Michin Khel]

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lol iam an Afghan with original identity and your persian this persian that doesnt work.
we reign supreme while all you can be is a phatan.

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lol at not a race anymore.
and phatan and paki is identity.

we rule you pakis and your hindu cousins and persians.

My heart become very sad when i see royal breed of afghans begging pakis for two, three or five rupees. Due to conspiracies of pakis, unfortunately the rule of great afghans is not extended to delhi.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Lol ..

Mate, every single leader in the past had the option of going for an independent Pukhtunistan, which never happened. There were only talks of Loy Afghanistan but hardly of Pukhtunistan,

Daud Khan became his lesson by Pakistan when he was just pointing to Waziristan lol

@Aab-e Hayart
it is waste of time to discussing with people who are not aware of reality and facts. Such people discuss with you only on the basis of their fake myths (''Pashtuns were rulers ....'' despite the fact that hundred thousands of them served the foreigners who tousand times installed their slaves on Pashtuns). These people won´t accept facts because it would destroy their pictures of the ''mighty Pashtun'' which was propagated by nationalists 7 decades long. Waste your time in something that could be productive for you and them.

asalamu alaikum

[Michin Khel]

Lol ..


Daud Khan became his lesson by Pakistan when he was just pointing to Waziristan lol

@Aab-e Hayart
it is waste of time to discussing with people who are not aware of reality and facts. Such people discuss with you only on the basis of their fake myths (''Pashtuns were rulers ....'' despite the fact that hundred thousands of them served the foreigners who tousand times installed their slaves on Pashtuns). These people won´t accept facts because it would destroy their pictures of the ''mighty Pashtun'' which was propagated by nationalists 7 decades long. Waste your time in something that could be productive for you and them.

asalamu alaikum

I agree with you. You raised a very good point in another thread that it is not true that pashtuns have always ruled afghanistan. Mughals, ghaznavids, ghories and all other dynasties before hotakis were non-pashtuns.
I have always trouble in dealing with pashtun shop keepers, waiters than non-pashtuns, they are short tempered and dont know how to communicate with their customers in civil manner...they dont realize that it is 21th century and that they are no longer rulers

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

They were never rulers, except during Mirwais and Ahmad Shah and Timur .. all others were nothing else than tools for foreigners who ruled the country from/via ''their first hand'' ...but even Timur and Ahmad Shah couldn´t rule without ''Ghali'', ''Shia'' ''anti-Afghan'' ''Qazals'' Lol all their ruling was based on their shoulders. But is not not about ruling or not ruling. It´s more baout their extremist way of pride which you can question.

[gadoonwal]

They were never rulers, except during Mirwais and Ahmad Shah and Timur .. all others were nothing else than tools for foreigners who ruled the country from/via ''their first hand'' ...but even Timur and Ahmad Shah couldn´t rule without ''Ghali'', ''Shia'' ''anti-Afghan'' ''Qazals'' Lol all their ruling was based on their shoulders.

mir wais khan hotak was the greatest hero in the history of afghanstan.
His son Mahmood Hotak beaten the iraians and rule your entire iran.
The hotakis badly defeated the iranains.Thats the reason Ghilzai pashtuns never like you persains.The people of afghanistan should be thankful to mir wais khan neka forever.He librated them from safavids.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

mir wais khan hotak was the greatest hero in the history of afghanstan.
His son Mahmood Hotak beaten the iraians and rule your entire iran.
The hotakis badly defeated the iranains.Thats the reason Ghilzai pashtuns never like you persains.The people of afghanistan should be thankful to mir wais khan neka forever.He librated them from safavids.

7 years, and than? ... waht was before and after? The entire world history for you nationalists start with that and goes to day? .... You have forgotten that Nadir Shah not only destroyed the entire Hotak tribe that fled to Pakistan but also destroyed all lands, fortresses and many more ... and many were taken to slaves who later served Ahmad Khan Abdali ... as slaves such they were forced the boy to his 14th birthday to slavery. But that´s your right as an individual to dream. I won´t stop you

[Shayesta]

Daud Khan became his lesson by Pakistan when he was just pointing to Waziristan

And that still doesn't prove he wanted to get rid of the Northern areas, move along kid.

[Manzareh]

Manzareh, if you are running out of words then it doesn't mean you should put words into my mouth so you can keep arguing for arguments' sake. And I am by the way impressed of your two month old niece being able to communicate, but just for your sake I won't quote you line for line:

Dari influence is in Tajik majority areas so I have got no idea why the influence should be stopped there, but Pekhawer is a Pukhtoon majority and historically Pukhtoon area so why has Pukhton influence fallen back so painfully? I dare you to find Pukhtoon areas in Afghanistan which got more Dari influence than Pukhto, and since you claim you have been to Afghanistan then I dare you to name me those place where you have seen Pukhtoons being Persianized in their own majority areas? I never was proud of Dari, nor proud of losing it and nor did I say we are losing Dari. I said that Pukhto's status is increasing day by day, and an example is that you wouldn't find one non-Pukhtoon in Kabul who cannot speak Pukhto. Despite of all the hardship we face today, I am amazed that regardless of our situation we have made Pukhto much more important than we could have ever imagined! But what hardship is Pekhawer facing, mate?

Nor did I ever claim Afghanistan is a Pukhtoon country, it's merely a Pukhtoon majority. Punjabis are majority in Pakistan and yet Urdu and English are official languages, not Punjabi. In Afghanistan Pukhto at least did become a national language after all. And me connecting to Afghanistan got nothing to do with my pride or arrogance, it's got to do with facts and a fact is that that's what I am, an Afghan. It's you who think you are too good to share a land, not me. And regarding Afghan Pukhtoons calling Pakistani Pukhtoons Punjabized, do I have to remind you of how many Pakistani Pukhtoons call us Persianized? And that also despite of our national language, national anthem, political language usage, economical usage, musical fame (Pukhto songs by the way are becoming even more popular than Dari ones), national performance, national customs, and God knows what else? And we got huge number of Dari speakers because of which we share national language, but on what basis did Pakistan choose a Dari national anthem?

And we got no choice than to share our land forcibly with Tajiks? Mate, every single leader in the past had the option of going for an independent Pukhtunistan, which never happened. There were only talks of Loy Afghanistan but hardly of Pukhtunistan, which is a big, big example of our wish. Even if today we decide to break away from North of Afghanistan then we don't fear Tajik resistance or interference, unlike Pakhtunkhwa who will have to go through bloodshed if you even dare speaking of separation from Pakistan. Despite of our state, we got much more option than you could ever have. And about me not respecting Pakistani lives lost in Afghanistan, I have always believed that every person should die for his own country. Fair enough if they want to give support but any foreign feet on our soil will eventually lead to disasters, and with Taliban Pakistani government proved why it cared for Afghan war.

And if you keep on moaning about status of Pukhto in Afghanistan as compared to Pakhtunkhwa, then if you don't believe ask the following Afghans who have visited Kabul not too long ago; Admin, Lail,a Zahed, Feroza, Angaar, Edris and these are just a couple I remember for now.

You dont want people to put words in your mouth yet you think its
perfectly acceptable for you to do so. it doesnt work that way.
Pekhawar should be 100% Pashto, but its not because Indic culture is
taking over, its a discrace, you go anyware in pashtunkhwa and people
dont count in pashto anymore, they counthe reason for this is because we
dont have our own country, the pashtun areas in pakistan are only areas
nothing more they still have to follow national rules, national language
(urdu) and such, and if they are not forced to, they are overwhelmed with
indic dominance from songs, to movies, to sports stars because they are
part of their country.


We as pashtuns dont need this current afghanistan as it is, why should we
be so hungry for land and sacrifice our unique identities, afghanistan is
land of pashtuns so why is some of the land in afghanistan were ther is
no pashtuns called afghanistan?? it shouldnt be. your asking me to find
pakhtun areas in afghanistan, shayesta every area in 'the land of
pakhtuns' should be pakhtun.



Your 100% afghan, that makes you the root to the downfall of pashtuns as
your yeilding to pashtun identy being shared with
dari/farsi/iranic/persian whatever you want to call it. you cannot be
blind to this by letting your ego get in the way and arguing with me,
unless afghanistan becomes a pashtun country, you cant say its pashtun, simple as that. we need a pashtun country and parliment to maintain our race, its now or never.


You compare the acheivments of pakistan with afghanistan and as long as
you can say something positive about afghanistan in which you can ony
pick negative things about pakistan in that same subject, your happy. it
shouldnt be like that. why limit yourself to pakistan. you speak ov our
issues like some compettition as if "my team (afghanistan) is better than
your team (pakistan) na nana nah nah" get this pakistan beef out of your
head, all the issues that you have will be resolved by having a pashtun
country.



in refrence to your secound last paragraph please remeber this.
Afghansitan is a so called pashtun country its a completly different
scenario, in KP they have no choice but to be pakistani because they need
to belong to a country, why should they leave a punjabi country to join a
farsi one? it doesnt make sence. If your parliment and population was all
pashtun then ther would be no problem in joining afghanistan until then
ther is no need for bloodshed seperating from a country into a unmarked one.


you give examples of afghans in refrence to pashto, Edris is a pashtun he
cant even speak pashto yet he can speak dari, same with laila, you find me 1 single full pashtun in pakistan that knows urdu but not pashto. i dont no
feroza but i have witnessed her speak in dari here and not pashto..i guesss that speaks for itself.

thanks for sparing me the quoting script palarva.