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[Michin Khel]

how do you guys compare multiethnic afghanistan with multiethnic pakistan?

[ComradePashtun]

What shall I prove? That UK installed their puppets on you or that Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Sayyids were not Pashtuns or that you were not ruled by ''Pharsians'', Indians, Arabs, Turks, Mongols or that the Muhammadzai and Barakzai´s language was and still is Dari while beeing proudly called by you as Pashtuns? ... and so on .. the list is long, dear brother


asalamu alaikum

Yes they weren't some non-entity called Tajiks.

Non ruled us, in fact every one and passer-by has rided the so called non-entity Tajiks. Is that a self reflection? That is why you wont find a trace of their "Tojik" self-rule.

Zahir Shah did speak Farsi, but I thought Tajiks like him also adapted Farsi. There is nothing wrong with, Farsi was a regional language once. But that is history, and that is why it were Pashtuns to overthrow their king. We are making no compromises any more.

Every one knows you are cowards.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Yes they weren't some non-entity called Tajiks.

Non ruled us, in fact every one and passer-by has rided the so called non-entity Tajiks. Is that a self reflection? That is why you wont find a trace of their "Tojik" self-rule.

Zahir Shah did speak Farsi, but I thought Tajiks like him also adapted Farsi. There is nothing wrong with, Farsi was a regional language once. But that is history, and that is why it were Pashtuns to overthrow their king. We are making no compromises any more.

Every one knows you are cowards.

Pashtun overthrow them and Farsiwans (Men of Pen) overthrow Pashtuns´royal house and made them Farsiwan with the help of Qazalbashs as they did centuries before with any kind of foreigners (Arabs, Ghaznavids, Mughals, Ilkhanat...). SO what ??? .... Do you also know that ''Farsi'' is called Zaban-i Bukhari? Oh yes, it was a regional language and still is and will always remain. If that is not power and assimilation and overtopping a foreign influence and elements I don´t know who to express it. Education=Power. I do not need to say that a certain Farsiwan with the nam Nizam al Mulk became the king of Saljuk Turks...just to name one example. And how often were you forced either to integrate yourself on powers or beeing integrated with violence? This is not independance or souverinity.

[Shayesta]

They are combatants who hide themself behind children, women,

And what's your proof about them hiding behind women? And those children amongst Taliban are those who lost their everyone and became part of Taliban, though they could have joined Northern Alliance and become their Bachabaz. Which they didn't choose to.

NATO drop 52B bombs on a village to get 2 or 3 Taliban but you cry why did you erased this and that.

Speaking of crying, what happened in Kunduz and Takhar while back?

There are 30 to 40 mio Pashtuns and at least 30% of them have family members who support Taliban.

Exactly same-wise how you got people who back Northern Alliance, no?

Taliban get killed everyday. You will never be able to defeat any super power. You were never able.

And yet they don't crumble, tough cookie aren't they? I can only wonder what would have happened to Northern Alliance if they were instead of Taliban. Oh wait, they couldn't ever be in Taliban's place because they fled Afghanistan as soon as Taliban got to Kabul!

As I wrote, more than 500 000 invalides in your regions, more than 1mio deaths of 1.8 mio were from your regions, 80% of all refugees were Pashtuns.

At least 30% of refugees in Pakistan were non-Pukhtoons, I dare to guarantee way over 90% of refugees in Iran were non-Pukhtoons, in Uzbekistan Pukhtoons got no business, and Tajikistan didn't even allow Afghan Tajiks, the first person to flee to West were Tajiks. You are not talking to five year old brainless children who no nothing of refugee statistics.

You again talk through your fake nationalism and pride. That is ignorance.

And you talk of pure fear, insecurity, incompetence and illogic which is very, very beneficial for your enemies. Just how easily NATO got Northern Alliance under it's time, million times quicker will be non-Pukhtoon siding of Taliban. Just wait and watch.

Non-Pashtuns were fighting them, too, even harsher, but they were also much smarter than any Paki or Arab who came from the Sulaiman Mountains under the excuse of Jihad.

Yeah, mixtures of Mongols-Arabs-Turks were smart even to work for Pakistan when fighting Russians, work for Russians when fighting Pakistan, and work for NATO when fighting Taliban. Stick some pooh in this smartness of yours, will ya?

Fact is, the most deaths were caused by Gulbuddin and his Arab brothers who fought Pashtun fractions and Kabul, not the Soviets.

A fact is that Hekmatyar hasn't harmed nor killed as many people from all ethnics as your Massoudak and Rabbani have, may it be with help of their Ruski step-dads or blood Pakistani up-bringers.

Alone Guli killed more than Russians did. But when you call that a victory.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

go read a real book about those days.

Which books, please recommend some?

Don´t listen to any fake stories old men tell you.

Last time I heard fake stories was in this forum, by some Albani guy. Please ask him to recommend me with facts in future.

Abdali had an empire... that was a different case.

How is it different? You said all the way from Abdali's time we have been influenced, tell me how?

Just examine the last 100 years and your current situation. That should be enough.

As enough as it should be to yourself, there you go.

only Pashtuns claim such a BS.

What claims? Claims of facts that those figures named were foreign puppets? And guess what, unlike you, I can provide links. Needing it?

You are racist people.

Get rid of the mirror half Pukhtoon-half Tajik foreigner, come back to reality now.

Actually I wouldn´t debate with your and your lack knowledger futher but I will make one excuse this time.

Exercise what? Testing whether you can get any stupider and break some record? Sure, go ahead. Even I haven't dealt with trolls for a while.

He was an islamic extremist and a imperialists, a slave of the British Empire.

So was Kalakani.

He also killed Nuristanis in masses. 80 000 Nuristanis were killed.

Another Khorasani lie with no proof. Converting Nurestani by far wasn't as difficult and by far not as many people as you claim have been killed, by far not. They have always had high rankings and status, and in the past it was no different.

All of them innocent, just because they were no Muslims.

You are speaking of Muslim/non-Muslim conflicts while your motherland (Iran) couldn't digest to have big number of Sunnis. Cut your fake sympathy.

These are wishes but you forget that the events already happend and nothing can change reality and history. Accept it.

I have but the Hazaras haven't, it's a different thing they can't dare to show their anger. What will they get out of it anyway? More conflicts with Pukhtoons? No wonder Bashardost is so desperate for Pukhtoon support.

Such crimes where not only made by Hazaras, the ''evil and satanic'' people.

I didn't say they were the only one, I just proved that those who you claim fought for Afghanistan dishonoured those very same Afghans they supposedly saved from so-called Russians.

Even your possible heroes did such things.

Unlike you I don't support any Mujahideen and before calling any of those rapists and murderers my hero I would rather honour my sandals. They are worth much more.

Gulbuddin´s party killed the most people and raped the most women. Just take a look on the UN´s report or WHR.

I did, found nothing. Care to provide evidences? Leaving aside the fact he belongs to the very same zoo as Massoud, Rabbani, Omar, Fahim, Abdullah and many more who have raped our country's honour repeatedly, and yet gain respect for it.

Than go and look on Google.

I just did and nowhere, nowhere does it say it originates from Southern Afghanistan. Nowhere. Busted kid, busted.

It does not matter if the word is not even a Pashtu word. Both words are loan-words and exist in Pashtu.

No, for 'bacha' we use 'halek' and for 'bazi' we use 'lobe'. These two words combined are only being used when speaking of Bachabazi in North which was shown in BBC. There you go. Now don't tell me even Bacha Be-Reesh is being used in Pukhto?

Whne the discussion was about Bacha Bazi one of the brothers claimed that this is a Tajik culture or belong to north. I just proved him wrong and showed him that it was in Afghanistan always a tribal custom and originally from tribal regions and southern Afghanistan.

How? How did you prove it mate, how? Which source claims it originates from South, which one? I failed to find any source, please guide me?

There are enogh references. Just visit facebook and enjoy one of the anti- groups and you will see reality.

Reality in anti-group forums? Just like the reality proud daughter of Iran (Parsistani) is speaking of in Tajikam?

because it´s an unislamic custom and a sin. That´s why in Iran it is forbidden.

Exactly why Taliban forbid it as well, and even here unlike you, I got proves.

In Kandahar people don´t get killed because it is part of the society there and still the poople do not call themself as homosexual or pdophile..

Yeah, just like how homo-free your mother Iraian society is?

''Mazar'', i even proved that that Allahdad in the north, a Pashtun warlord, is the most famous child molester ... shall i prove it to you, too?

Yes go on, for a change learn to speak with evidences. And biggest or smallest child-molester, a child-molester is a child-molester of which your society is a part of as well. Period.

One think you can use is the language stuff while forgetting that Dari dominate the north and even Psahtuns speak Dari.

No no no, you claimed that Bachabazi came from South so obviously it should have a Pukhto word for it as well, so what is it? Ha?

Really? Even among Taliban there were pedophiles, gays.

LOL, blogs for Americans? Really? Just liek how you can find gazillions of videos, pictures and actual articles regarding homosexuality in Northern Afghanistan and Iran (like those I posted), can you find anything similar for the Taliban? Don't kill your brain, because you won't find any.

But having such a thing as a natural phenomene or practizing it because of joy without beeing really a homosexal is different. In Afghanistan, Bacha Bazi, f.ex. is practized because of the ''prestige'' ... a shame for that country and it´s ancient society.

Exactly. So your Persian culture isn't that perfect after all, ha?

[khushal]

You also have deep hatred for tajiks in your heart, very evidant from your posts.

What did I say that made you come to this conclusion.

1. I believe the Afghan ethnic name only belongs to the Pashtuns. This is not a racist comment, this is a historical fact. I do believe that Hazaras and Tajiks and all other ethnicities deserve equal rights and opportunities as pashtuns in Afghanistan. Equal rights and equal opportunities has been instrumental in a nation that would would like to utilize its human capital efficiently, its mandatory for a nation that would like to progress.
. Afghanistan constitution call every citizen of Afghanistan "Afghan" is flawed but its purpose is to make every one feel equal, but there are other ways of doing it. This is an insult to Afghan/pashtuns for lending their ethnic name to others. Our ancestors struggled and sacrificed for their descendants to have the "Afghan" attached to their descendants alone and the meaning behind it. It is also an insult to Hazaras and Tajiks. We should not deny them their own ethnic name and unique culture and heritage. Calling them "Afghan" is like telling them their ethnic name, their culture, their heritage is inferior. This is self destructive and it is evident in Kabulzada's posts where he claims that ancient Persian kings and Scholars were "Afghans" because his mind has been conditioned to believe that only "Afghan" is good and the rest are inferior. He is desperate to attach himself and his people to the "Afghan" label. There is nothing wrong with being Hazara and Tajik, they have accomplished great things and they should be aware of it and should be proud of it. Giving every ethnicity their own identity is equality and it is their god given right to have.
Comrade thinks this is bigotry but what do you expect from an uneducated fool. In reality his state of mind is of a bigot's.

2. Everything I have posted is backed by sources. I have made nothing up and none of those posts have evidence that I have hatred for Tajiks or any one else including yourself Loopy. I have cousins that have married Tajiks and none of them have this mentality that Kabulzada has. This is one of those Tajiks that believe in reviving the old persian empire of xerxes and Darius. He does not believe in Islam, he believes in his Persian language and his Persian culture, that's what he worships. The Persian language and culture of Iran is heavily influenced by Arabic and the Persian language and culture of Tajikistan is heavily influenced by Russian. The only Persian language and culture that is somewhat intact is in Afghanistan and they owe it to the Afghan/Pashtuns for this to be a possibility, he does not appreciate this fact. He is stuck in a past delusional fantasy about the old Persian Empire that is long gone and has no chance of returning and I feel sorry for him.

[khushal]

Albani, were are you from? are you full pashtun?

No this guy is a Tajik Nationalist who has inferiority complex. he has had a bad childhood who was bullied by a pashtun that was half his size.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Shayesta sister, it is not worth to discuss with you an issue objectively because you do not know logic, objectivity. When it comes to ethnicity you deny every with your fake pride and propaganda (''Pashtuns are superiour and undefeated'', ''Pashtuns were not slaves of foreigners and today of US'', ....you brought them and you need to deal with them. That is only your war. We had our wars but you betrayed us under the name Pakistan, Arabs, ISI, Taliban, ''brothership'', ''equality'' ... rofl) and would even support Taliban and any kind of terrorist just because they are Pashtuns. Go take a book and read some real facts about Afghanistan´s past. Maybe you will see that there were non-Pashtuns beating not only Pashtuns but many more not only one time but 1000 times. So sorry, when I ignore your parts dear sister.

@Khushal

This is self destructive and it is evident in Kabulzada's posts where he claims that ancient Persian kings and Scholars were "Afghans" because his mind has been conditioned to believe that only "Afghan" is good and the rest are inferior.

Stop liying. Ancient Afghaans in the sense of Pashtuns were not even productive and did not knew what science, art, culture, civilisation, education ... were. They were full-blood nomads. Never claimed such stupidity. It´s your job and that of Nick claiming on non-Pashtun heritage and histry.

The only Persian language and culture that is somewhat intact is in Afghanistan and they owe it to the Afghan/Pashtuns for this to be a possibility, he does not appreciate this fact.

ha ha ha ... you uneducated moron, even of the Dari dialect in Tajikistan would have russian words they will be loan-words. Your Pashtu in Afghanistan has 80% Dari words while in Pakistan it has 80% Urdu and Dravidian words. Stop talking BS. Unlike Pashtu, Dari have a standard language. We can understand eachother without any problems. From Gardez to the borders of Turkey and Georgia. Can you understand a Bengali Pashtun? LOL

I support an Islam that is not based on any wahabi-deobandi philosophy. We can clearly see where it lead us believing and accepting such an Islam. That´s why non-Pashtuns differ from Pashtuns in the way of Mahzab e Dini. You are the radical one and we are the mind-open and moderate one. You are suiciders, we are elitists, you are mine creater we are future creater ... keep sitting and ****ting...or if you have a bit ghairat go and rescue your back from Pakistan instead talking here about your utopic loy-dreams.

[ComradePashtun]

Hahahaha Kadozadah, you are an exteremly hillarious person. This self-boasting and trying to match up to Pashtuns has become some kind of pathological sickness for you moron.

So you beat us, right? When exactly?

Look there was never a war between Pashtuns and Tajiks, but between NA and Taliban and Taliban won defeating and disgracing NA. Obviously in civil war where actors lack internal resources to sustain a war, they seek external help: Taliban were supported by Pakistan while they consumed only Dhaal, your NA was supported by Iran, Russia, Tojokostan, France, Trukey, Uzbakistan etc. supplied with all sorts of packed carbs and protein, but sorry they were still beaten. Do you know why? Because NA were cowards just like you. You are pathetic, Kadozadah, you should be ashamed of yourself for dressing a devastating defeat as a victory. Is that what you Kadozahas are really good at?

Stop single-mindedly blaming everything on Taliban after your inept Rabbani and Massoudove paved the way for them. Had they not fought every one for power, including Pashtuns, Hazaras and Uzbaks, the Kandahari and Helmandi warriors would have spared your little pathetic dancing aas.

[Nick]

Shayesta sister, it is not worth to discuss with you an issue objectively because you do not know logic, objectivity. When it comes to ethnicity you deny every with your fake pride and propaganda (''Pashtuns are superiour and undefeated'', ''Pashtuns were not slaves of foreigners and today of US'', ....you brought them and you need to deal with them. That is only your war. We had our wars but you betrayed us under the name Pakistan, Arabs, ISI, Taliban, ''brothership'', ''equality'' ... rofl) and would even support Taliban and any kind of terrorist just because they are Pashtuns. Go take a book and read some real facts about Afghanistan´s past. Maybe you will see that there were non-Pashtuns beating not only Pashtuns but many more not only one time but 1000 times. So sorry, when I ignore your parts dear sister.

@Khushal



Stop liying. Ancient Afghaans in the sense of Pashtuns were not even productive and did not knew what science, art, culture, civilisation, education ... were. They were full-blood nomads. Never claimed such stupidity. It´s your job and that of Nick claiming on non-Pashtun heritage and histry.



ha ha ha ... you uneducated moron, even of the Dari dialect in Tajikistan would have russian words they will be loan-words. Your Pashtu in Afghanistan has 80% Dari words while in Pakistan it has 80% Urdu and Dravidian words. Stop talking BS. Unlike Pashtu, Dari have a standard language. We can understand eachother without any problems. From Gardez to the borders of Turkey and Georgia. Can you understand a Bengali Pashtun? LOL

I support an Islam that is not based on any wahabi-deobandi philosophy. We can clearly see where it lead us believing and accepting such an Islam. That´s why non-Pashtuns differ from Pashtuns in the way of Mahzab e Dini. You are the radical one and we are the mind-open and moderate one. You are suiciders, we are elitists, you are mine creater we are future creater ... keep sitting and ****ting...or if you have a bit ghairat go and rescue your back from Pakistan instead talking here about your utopic loy-dreams.

Wow I just went to ADmins page and I found this shocking. This guy actually did claim he is half Pashtun. Man as I said these people would poss anyone, lol Kabulzada you
Half Pashtun?
and yet he says Pashtuns did not knew what science, art, culture, civilisation, education ... were. They were full-blood nomads. ---> Even if u were a Kafir Pashtun u wouldn't say that.

05-23-2011 04:40 PM
Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada

Salam Admin Jan,

can you please throw an eye on the issues I am involved in? Some Users insult me and entire nations. I did not insult them. I came here to sit with my brothers and sisters and discuss with them some topics and maybe learn a bit Pashtu but they permanently insult me either directly or indirectly or turn my worlds to their own views so they look like I had insulted anyone or I am a Pashtun hater while I several times repeated myself that I am half-half and I do not care about Tajik and Pashtu stuffs.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Wow I just went to ADmins page and I found this shocking. This guy actually did claim he is half Pashtun. Man as I said these people would poss anyone, lol Kabulzada you
Half Pashtun?
and yet he says Pashtuns did not knew what science, art, culture, civilisation, education ... were. They were full-blood nomads. ---> Even if u were a Kafir Pashtun u wouldn't say that.

Prove me wrong.

[IamDZJ]

fake and real predictions of what is bound to happen in future...interesting. can the genius with the talent predict my future?? how do you know it's fake or real if it hasn't happened yet??

[Shayesta]

it is not worth to discuss with you an issue objectively because you do not know logic, objectivity.

What happened? Did I, finally, hit a nerve? Or did you realize that since I provided you with sources then unlike you I actually know what I am talking about? Good decision nonetheless, you have saved yourself quiet some embarrassments.

When it comes to ethnicity you deny every with your fake pride and propaganda

Oh no no, not at all! It's you who without any prove claim Tajiks have beaten Pukhtoons in wars (nice joke by the way), it's you without prove claim only Pukhtoons have served foreign interests, it's you who keep talking about brotherhood while callings us sold-outs on the other hand, and it's you who calls us cowards while it's you as well who begs for corporation from Pukhtoons.

All you have contributed here are lies, hatred, cowardliness and fear. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't worry, I won't die if you 'ignore' me (as if you got any other choice), I am sure even the forum will be a happier place if you ignore all of us.

[randolph85]

kabulzada has pretty much been castrated here.

[Michin Khel]

kabulzada has pretty much been castrated here.

So far he is using more decent langauge than you guys.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

What happened? Did I, finally, hit a nerve? Or did you realize that since I provided you with sources then unlike you I actually know what I am talking about? Good decision nonetheless, you have saved yourself quiet some embarrassments.


Oh no no, not at all! It's you who without any prove claim Tajiks have beaten Pukhtoons in wars (nice joke by the way), it's you without prove claim only Pukhtoons have served foreign interests, it's you who keep talking about brotherhood while callings us sold-outs on the other hand, and it's you who calls us cowards while it's you as well who begs for corporation from Pukhtoons.

All you have contributed here are lies, hatred, cowardliness and fear. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't worry, I won't die if you 'ignore' me (as if you got any other choice), I am sure even the forum will be a happier place if you ignore all of us.

Just study the history of the region and tells me where Pashtuns were ... From Persians to Arabs and Mongols ...