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    WASHINGTON — The raid that killed Osama bin Laden humiliated Pakistani leaders who were forced to realize Americans could storm into their country with impunity, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday.


    He also said "my supposition is somebody knew" in Pakistan that bin Laden had been living in Abbottabad, a military garrison town 35 miles from Pakistan's capital, Islamabad.
    Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said they had seen no evidence that top Pakistani officials had knowledge that bin Laden was there.
    Navy SEALs descended on his compound on May 2, killing him and taking his body, which was later buried at sea.
    "If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I've already paid a price," Gates said. "I've been humiliated. I've been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity. I think we have to recognize that they see a cost in that and a price that has been paid."
    Far too many details of the raid have been made public, Gates and Mullen said at a joint news conference. They expressed concern that knowledge about how it was accomplished could endanger future operations.
    Already, Mullen said, the disclosures have come close to jeopardizing the military's ability to conduct future secretive raids, which he labeled "this precious commodity."
    The raid and its aftermath are being felt on Capitol Hill as well. Congress has begun questioning U.S. aid to Pakistan.
    In a letter Tuesday to Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, five Democratic senators wrote that they want to re-evaluate military aid to Pakistan. In 2010, that aid totaled $2.7 billion.
    The senators, including Diane Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the Intelligence Committee, said they had grave concerns about the Pakistani military's commitment to fighting terrorism.
    Mullen called the aid an investment in a "critical relationship" for the United States. Pakistan's military leaders understand the need to pursue terrorists, he said.

    Raid on bin Laden 'humiliated' Pakistan, Gates says - USATODAY.com
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    Most any plane we have goes undetected by any radar system....

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    • #3
      I can I take a ride in them Dresden?

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      • #4
        Lol no. I'm not talking about passenger planes, I'm talking about all of our attack planes.

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        • #5
          The whole reason them being stealth and not detected is why I asked, get it? I can fly in passanger plane any time I want. I would bomb ghundal's ISI cousin's ass without him knowing.

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          • #6
            Stealth Planes is what the air force categorizes it's planes with. All our attack planes absorb radar. "Stealth Plane" now days, refers to the newer detections beyond radar.

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            • #7
              Dresden,

              Paki generals are in awe and shock about Bin's raid. They are quaking in their boots. Send couple of more for a good tour over Islamabad, and then let them know in the morning and apologise for violating their air space.
              Last edited by ComradePashtun; 05-19-2011, 12:09 PM.

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              • #8
                I know Comrade,

                The thing is...I'm a bit worried how much the Taliban will grow (and hence be killed) after our draw-down.

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                • #9
                  Let Punjab taste some of the medicine we have been tasting due to thier greedy Political nature.

                  Let the bowl of daal rattling when the planes fly over Rawalpindi.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MDresden View Post
                    I know Comrade,

                    The thing is...I'm a bit worried how much the Taliban will grow (and hence be killed) after our draw-down.

                    To clear this up...I'm not talking about a fear of the Taliban dieing...it's about people deciding to go to the Taliban side after the draw down, hence increasing their numbers and then the aftermath.

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                    • #11
                      well, i imagine a group who can claim that they fought to free afghanistan from the invaders will probably demand some high standing in governance. if we hadn't invaded the afghans may have gotten themselves sorted as to whether they want to be ruled by taliban or not, by now.
                      the west therefore has probably strengthened the standing of the taliban in that sense and given them more members.
                      just like they are probably creating more people who want to be terrorists, worldwide.

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                      • #12
                        Ultra, Comrade. you two are sick. Day dreaming *sskissing to the idiot Dresden about flying over pakistan to humiliate them. Don't you know the panjabi's have no shame. How can you humiliate someone who has no shame. Judging from your posts you have no shame either. So whats the difference between you and the Panjos

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                        • #13
                          i think they are paying less of a price compared to a different situation where they would have helped the US capture him... then the general public would be really upset, and especially they would upset the taliban, and alqaeda who would increase their retaliation against Pakistani army and police. more suicide bombings i would assume.

                          I say pakistan is in a better position with militants.
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                          • #14
                            ok, lets say they did get obl. lets say they, both american and pakistan spy agencies or whoever, knew he was there for future proceedings and america pulled 'the rabbit out of the hat' without informing the isi or whoever, that they were going to do it when they did.
                            maybe someone in pakistan believed obl didn't do the 9/11 charade, so they were protecting him.
                            there are many theories.

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                            • #15
                              I think you got it right Faye.

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