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    Pakistan Woos Insurgent Group

    Spy Agency Presses Haqqani Network to Talk Peace, While U.S. Calls for Attacks

    By MATTHEW ROSENBERG

    ISLAMABAD—Pakistan's intelligence service is pressing the Haqqani network of insurgents to join nascent Afghan peace talks, even as U.S. officials demand an offensive against the group, highlighting tensions between the two nations two weeks after the U.S. infuriated officials here with the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

    U.S. officials have threatened more raids could be launched unless Pakistan moves swiftly against militants such as the Haqqani network, which U.S. officials consider the bloodiest and most irreconcilable of the groups battling coalition forces in Afghanistan.

    The U.S. says the Haqqani network is aided by Pakistan's spy service, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence, and is closely allied with al Qaeda. Under the leadership of Sirajuddin Haqqani, the group has blown up Kabul supermarkets, stormed Afghan government buildings and assisted the al Qaeda suicide bomber who killed seven Central Intelligence Agency operatives in Afghanistan in 2009.

    Yet Pakistan's spy service, known as the ISI, has resisted taking on the Haqqani network. It now wants the group to explore a role in Afghan peace talks, say Pakistani officials and tribal elders with ties to the group, suggesting Pakistan is unlikely to heed the U.S. warning that it must act soon.

    A tribal elder from North Waziristan, who has contacts with Mr. Haqqani's inner circle—much of it made up of his brothers, uncles and his father, the group's founder—said the network has been spooked by an unrelenting campaign of CIA drone strikes and the death of bin Laden. It may be increasingly amenable to talks, the elder said.

    In one indication the Haqqanis are worried, their compounds in North Waziristan's capital, Miran Shah, largely emptied out in the days following the bin Laden raid, the elder said.

    American officials say Mr. Haqqani, who is based in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area, is a potential target for a raid like the one that killed bin Laden. But their preference would be for Pakistan to take action in North Waziristan similar to its military offensives against the Pakistan Taliban in other parts of the tribal areas.

    U.S. officials say they hope to use Islamabad's embarrassment over failing to find bin Laden—he was killed in a house a short distance from the country's elite military academy—to press for tougher Pakistani action against the Haqqanis and other militant groups that are focused on attacking U.S. forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

    To drive home the point, the officials have publicly warned that U.S. intelligence analysts are poring over the trove of hard drives, handwritten notes and other materials taken from bin Laden's house for evidence of Pakistani complicity in shielding him. If the Pakistanis want to avoid the fallout of any potential revelations, they "need to get ahead of us on this and show they're willing to work with us," said a senior U.S. official.
    While U.S. officials say Washington would talk with anyone who is serious about striking a peace deal, they don't believe Mr. Haqqani fits the bill. The Haqqanis haven't been included in recent efforts to open talks with the main Taliban leadership, headed by Mullah Muhammad Omar, U.S. officials say.

    "I don't see any evidence that makes me think Haqqani is a guy we're going to want to be talking to," said a U.S. official.
    After years of privately voicing their suspicions, American officials now openly accuse Pakistan of giving the Haqqanis succor in hopes of using them to maintain their own influence—and combat that of rival India—in Afghanistan's future.

    A Pakistani defense official denied his government gives any support to the Haqqanis and called talk of them as irredeemably violent players "unhelpful."

    He and other officials here said they are happy to see bin Laden gone—despite their objections to the unilateral raid—and would help the U.S. catch bin Laden's assumed successor, Ayman al Zawahiri, and other al Qaeda leaders still believed to be in Pakistan.

    On Tuesday, Pakistani forces caught a mid-level al Qaeda operative in the Arabian Sea port of Karachi with assistance from the U.S., Pakistani officials said.

    But the Haqqanis represent a more vexing problem, the Pakistani defense official said. Unlike the Arabs and other foreigners who make up al Qaeda, the Haqqanis hail from the Pashtun Zadran tribe, part of the fabric of eastern Afghanistan and North Waziristan. They can't be "picked off willy-nilly by drone strikes," the official said.

    He argued the Haqqanis ultimately have to be won over through talks, just like the negotiations that the U.S. is trying to open with the main Taliban movement, although American forces are fighting the insurgents at the same time.

    The official said Pakistan would use whatever influence it had over the Haqqanis—which he insisted was minimal—to bring them to the table. The official said the effort was being led by the ISI. The ISI didn't respond to requests to comment.

    But in one indication of the ISI's thinking, a senior ISI official once said in an interview that he believed the Haqqanis could one day be "a force for peace" in Afghanistan.






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    Its becoming so obvious Pakistan is assisting the Taliban! I just find it conflicting that members here on this forum still beat the Pro Taliban drum and then curse Pakistan, Pakistan will always be the daddy's of the Taliban, its their creation lol!

    Few weeks ago, Imran Khan a Pro-Pakistani political leader met with Haqqani's son in Peshawer, what is a Pakistani such as him meeting with a wanted terrorist ISI agent?

    This is the reason why alot of us are no longer so naive to believe these myths about Taliban being fighters or defenders of Afghanistan, when they in reality roam around with Pak Military Units.

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    • #3
      I am sorry but I still disagree. Because pakistan knows pashtuns hates pakistan and majority support taliban and so under the name of their own fake Taliban agency they want to make it as if all anti-americans are supprt of pakistan's IsI. So that those who hates pakistan stop supporting mujahidin. This is not true. Pakistan is not behind mujahiden inside Afghanistan as they were in 1980s and also pakistan has their own mission. Beside saying all of this what is there for us to believe in puppet Afghan government who are also pro ISI and our economy depends on Pakistan and our production is only drugs.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nick View Post
        I am sorry but I still disagree. Because pakistan knows pashtuns hates pakistan and majority support taliban and so under the name of their own fake Taliban agency they want to make it as if all anti-americans are supprt of pakistan's IsI. So that those who hates pakistan stop supporting mujahidin. This is not true. Pakistan is not behind mujahiden inside Afghanistan as they were in 1980s and also pakistan has their own mission. Beside saying all of this what is there for us to believe in puppet Afghan government who are also pro ISI and our economy depends on Pakistan and our production is only drugs.
        Fake Taliban insurgency? Have you gone mad or are you just trying to spread disinformation. Do us a favor, go to Hewad or Pakhtunkhwa and ask the Locals yourself.

        If you didnt know ISI controls the Jihadis in Afghanistan, if you didnt know, Haqqanis are given free access all over Miram Shah and were moved to Kurram agency, if you dont believe this then ask people from there, instead of spreading this typical false farsiwan propaganda.

        For being a self confessed intellectual, I wouldnt expect you to be following conspriacy theories. Then well, we find disinformationists everywhere.

        Ask yourself this Nickolas, why do elements of the Taliban refuse to associate itself with anti pakistan talibs? why do they make peace deals with Pak army? why did Naik Mohammad Wazir state that his men are the atomic bomb of Pakistan? why did Mullah Omar send a jirga to Miram shah for the realse of Col Imam and Khalid Khwaja?

        Your telling me, these Talibs go through the 1000s of Army checkposts in Waziristan not so freely? Nick, just like the others here who live in the west and follow conspriacy theories or other mumbo jumbo, go and visit the region, do you even know who the turkistan group are, or the misba mahsud group are? I guess you dont,because your knowledge and experience is limited to Bashing Shias and Iranians, and stick to that.

        Not all Pashtuns hate Pakistan, Taliban oppose attacks on Pakistan on Islamic grounds, only the Mahsud chapter of the TTP support attacks and even then Afghan Taliban opposes them and neglect them.

        In other words, you are forcing Pashtuns to become slaves of Pakistan by the view that they must. Typical Farsiwan tactics! When will Pashtuns become aware of such people.
        Last edited by Guest; 05-18-2011, 04:40 AM.

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        • #5
          ^^^^^

          Lol, conspiracy theories can drive you delusional MI6

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pashtun_Ultranationalist View Post
            Fake Taliban insurgency? Have you gone mad or are you just trying to spread disinformation. Do us a favor, go to Hewad or Pakhtunkhwa and ask the Locals yourself.
            Originally posted by Pashtun_Ultranationalist View Post



            If you didnt know ISI controls the Jihadis in Afghanistan, if you didnt know, Haqqanis are given free access all over Miram Shah and were moved to Kurram agency, if you dont believe this then ask people from there, instead of spreading this typical false farsiwan propaganda.



            For being a self confessed intellectual, I wouldnt expect you to be following conspriacy theories. Then well, we find disinformationists everywhere.



            Ask yourself this Nickolas, why do elements of the Taliban refuse to associate itself with anti pakistan talibs? why do they make peace deals with Pak army? why did Naik Mohammad Wazir state that his men are the atomic bomb of Pakistan? why did Mullah Omar send a jirga to Miram shah for the realse of Col Imam and Khalid Khwaja?



            Your telling me, these Talibs go through the 1000s of Army checkposts in Waziristan not so freely? Nick, just like the others here who live in the west and follow conspriacy theories or other mumbo jumbo, go and visit the region, do you even know who the turkistan group are, or the misba mahsud group are? I guess you dont,because your knowledge and experience is limited to Bashing Shias and Iranians, and stick to that.



            Not all Pashtuns hate Pakistan, Taliban oppose attacks on Pakistan on Islamic grounds, only the Mahsud chapter of the TTP support attacks and even then Afghan Taliban opposes them and neglect them.



            In other words, you are forcing Pashtuns to become slaves of Pakistan by the view that they must. Typical Farsiwan tactics! When will Pashtuns become aware of such people.
            LOL Mr. Pro-Pakistani anything else? Just watch within two years things will be clear.



            Call me whatever you want the fact that it’s some of you people who are so confused. We look at things from different angels and specially researchers.


            Now having said that let me tell you one thing and you can agree upon, even if you are the most naive misinformed person yet still have to agree with me on this one. War on terrorism thus army of Pakistani supporters who wants Pakistan developed vs Taliban. Who Suffers the MOST? Arn't they the PAshtu speakers generally speaking or shell I say the Pashtuns of both sides of the borders. ASK WHY? Ok leave that question to the end.
            Ask Why does Pakistan always wants to generalize and blame things on Taliban (The Word Taliban is used 120 times a week in Geo News) when yet according to you Taliban forbids attacks on Pakistani ground LOL Why Pakistan always creates hate in the hearts of People by means of media in NWFP as well as worldwide when yet you claim Taliban are pro-Pakistani. Indeed you are a true-Pro-Pakistan and anti-Taliban. For as I am active in Pakdefence as well so don't assume no-one knows you here. No my name is not same "Nick" because I was banned some long time ago but I am active. I don't know what some people in here say and claim and thinks they can get away. I Know Punjabi mentality as well as a Pakistani mentality, the difference between is Pro-Western and anti-Indian. Those who are in Government are pro-American and those who are not in Government some 90% of Punjab are anti-Indian.





            Taliban oppose attacks on Pakistan on Islamic grounds, only the Mahsud chapter of the TTP support attacks and even then Afghan Taliban opposes them and neglect them


            Like most of your short comments this is coming out of the Air Poooooof there it goes, now don't try to prove yourself brother cause I too used to be anti-Taliban. I am not stupid to have said things which I said above, my ears and eyes have witnessed things which you cannot change. Taliban of old times are no longer same with their new policy, and that's what Pakistan hates cause if they "Taliban" won the war then Pakistan is done its over.
            The END and now go on and enjoy some rock and roll music cause facts are facts and what you or your ISI media pretends to show will not work on the ground. Taliban don't use media like ISI, they don't talk BS, they act. Have you ever seen a Punjabi speaking being shot in front of your eyes because he was doing a business in Kabul, No!, but I have, yeah I also feel sorry for the guy as this racist angry Talib shot him with no mercy, and I was lucky to be alive.

            I have been to Afghanistan four times since living in the west and last time it was 2 years ago. I have witness before 9/11Taliban and after Taliban era. My hate for Taliban has been changed, not because they are stupid, but rather resulted when I witness papers being clued and posted on the walls by Taliban of their new policy.



            Now I am not going to explain you on the new policy, ask any pro-Taliban if you want and they will explain.

            Fake Taliban insurgency? Have you gone mad or are you just trying to spread disinformation. Do us a favor, go to Hewad or Pakhtunkhwa and ask the Locals yourself
            You are talking about Pakistan and I as a former anti-Taliban referring to Taliban inside Afghanistan, see the difference. There are fake Taliban (both inside Pakistan and Afghanistan minor small terrorist organized ISI groups and CIA paid dogs just there to blackmail the true Taliban, the true Taliban have little fund mostly from inside Afghan civilians) The fake Talibans few in numbers are trying to be mixed, and posing as real Taliban, and then there are unique Pashtun nationalists which are associated with Taliban by ISI media, also fight like Taliban but are not Taliban<---- this group only exists in Pakistan, often anti-Pakistani like the Taliban but they are not funded by anyone.


            You have yet have to live the world to see. Young bloods don’t give up easily; this war is not over yet. Ask yourself one question. Why did Pakistan supported Taliban at the beginning and then asked American help to get rid of them, yes months before September 11, Pakistanis warned American to get rid of Taliban and the news of American invasion was well known to come before 9/11 takes place. Call it conspiracy if you want but again my ears and eyes are not lies. After rejection of signing Durand Line since then Pakistan Aid stopped to Taliban, this is also a fact. Pakistan supported this group for a reason, when Taliban themselves realized to what Pakistan wanted they rejected and that resulted in ban of Aid, arm as well as supported Americans to invade with full support, direct hits right from Pakistan. That night I was so happy when USA invaded Taliban, bomb after Bomb I drink tea enjoying, cause when I was in Kabul 6 months before invasion I was like "Ohh God get rid of these uneducated Pigs" When that invasion took place I was young still not adult but a teenager, almost finished high school, played soccer, go out for passing times yet at night I did not watch basketball or soccer but eager to know how the Taliban will react. I sit night after night clapping and enjoying to see Taliban being killed. In fact I never prayed from one Eid to another and last time I prayed was in Afghanistan, and at 4th night after NA took over Kabul and their soviet Tanks passed in the streets of Kabul as I watch CNN at that night before I slept I prayed, just to give thanks to Allah (If there was any as I was not sure) that these Monster Taliban are death and we are over with. As years passed, research and documents visiting Afghan 3 more times, and since the past 2 years I came to realize it was far complicated as I thought.

            The Taliban who are fighting on the ground are no different from those who fought the Russians in 1980s. I hope these words enough to make others understand of what I am trying to say. I am not anti-American but I hate their policy of Aid/support and fund to Pakistan, and if what you say is true then once again put your brain cells in work. Do you think a multi-billion dollar CIA agency with thousands of people working from many religions and backgrounds for CIA as well as Pashtuns from Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as Punjabis and others don’t know this game being played by Pakistan? And only you come to figure that hey “ telling me, these Talibs go through the 1000s of Army checkposts in Waziristan not so freely . Not all Pashtuns hate Pakistan, Taliban oppose attacks on Pakistan on Islamic grounds, only the Mahsud chapter of the TTP support attacks and even then Afghan Taliban opposes them and neglect them.”

            If you think Taliban are supported by Pakistan and dozens of American men die monthly and millions of money is given to their families and the cost of maintaining the war on USA. Please don’t tell me Americans are so stupid to support Pakistan on monthly bases.
            Why not Americans created another militia to finish off Pakistan all together, lol 10 years of war with Russians and only 3 billion was given to Mujahidin, 3 billion was enough to break Soviets with 20 states, how much would it cost for CIA to make Pakistan into 4 states since there are millions of people who don't accept Pakistan.
            LOL right not much even a million dollar a month will be enough to keep 10,000 armed Pashtuns fully equipped to battle Pakistani army out of NWFP and even crush Pakistan altogether.

            Please don't tell me that Taliban is still supported by Pakistan, even if Taliban are the most dumbest people on the planet earth, they will know who their true enemy are, refer to 9/11 its still fresh to their minds. The Taliban who once came to Islamabad and Peshawar and were always supported and promised that they will be protected, that same friend and founder was now to supporting invasion and supported America. Please

            For being a self confessed intellectual, I wouldnt expect you to be following conspriacy theories.
            What my ears and eyes witnessed is not conspriacy to me.

            BTW even if your Pakistani Army have 200,000 posts still there is a way to pass durand line lol cause most people don't even know where it is. So good luck with fencing, and posts dude.

            Again who suffers in this war the most? whose bodies are dropped death be it if innocent or Taliban supporters. Righttt --> The PAshtuns. Simple and clear, no punjabi, no sindhi, no indics suffer in this war more but the native people of Western Pakistan ie Sarhad/Balochistan and Afghanistan. This war is not on terrorism and if someone wants to point out to Osama lol is killed as well says so Obama, this war is on innocent Pashtuns. Yes I am a farsiwan but also a muslim, and as an Afghan muslim I will not cover my eyes blind like most people specially Punjabis berki burki to say "Oh no Pakistan loves Pashtuns and Pashtuns love Pakistan".
            Fact are clear for those who wants to accept and if you don't its aright most of the world even rejects Islam as an religion, and call it an idealogy, and even have conspriacy over its spread as well. What can we do?
            Last edited by Nick; 05-18-2011, 12:52 PM.
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