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    I came across this piece in the Pashtunkhwa peace forum blog, I hadn't been there before and for the first time visited the blog as it was mentioned by Ultra-nationalist. I want opinions on the article and the hilighted parts.

    On to the main issue, whether the Durand line has any legitimacy and as far as its recognition or otherwise for that matter is concern - it depends and on and should only depend on how Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns think about it - not Afghanistan. Afghanistan should only respect the true wishes of people of Pashtunkhwa, other than that it should not and has no agenda and right on the matter.

    Why should a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa posit such as question being so dilemmatic than instead to have his own sincere and independent opinion on it? Why should Afghanistan have the last say, on this issue if it is an outstanding one? Does Afghanistan represent Pashtunkhwa? Why so much hypocracy?











    VIEW: Pakistan's options in Afghanistan —Shahid Ilyas

    It seems that Pakistan's ability to sustain its support to the Afghan insurgents is very limited, and its chances of success almost nil. We have to find ways to safeguard our interests through more acceptable means

    "Pakistan denies Afghanistan transit for Indian trucks," says a news report. "India to build Afghanistan's parliament house," says another report. "Pakistan's intelligence agency is directing Taliban attacks on western targets in Afghanistan," says yet another. "New Delhi has already invested $ 1.2 billion in roads, electrical lines and other infrastructure that is expected to hit $ 4 billion," another source states.

    These are some of the news coming out of Afghanistan and this is the context in which Pakistan would like to befriend Afghanistan to the detriment of India. What conclusions can we draw from this? What is the logic put forward by Pakistan to convince Afghanistan that it should consider a serious friendship?

    Pakistan believes that close friendship between India and Afghanistan is against its national interests. Therefore, the process of Afghan-Indian friendship has to be halted and reversed. Pakistan has two options to achieve its objectives. It could evolve a strategy that aims at forging brotherly relations with the Afghanistan we see today. This will necessitate some sincere help in Afghan stability and reconstruction.

    Secondly, it will necessitate a change in perceptions with regard to Afghan-Indian relations. This means the recognition of the fact that sovereign states have the right to choose their friends. If Afghanistan and India are interested in mutual friendship and cooperation, they have the sovereign right to do so, and no other actor has the right to sabotage that friendship. And, finally, Pakistan's wish to befriend Afghanistan will necessitate tangible measures on the part of the former that result in the birth of a genuine belief in Afghanistan, the US and India that it has stopped facilitating the ongoing insurgency in Afghanistan.

    The second option available to Pakistan is to continue behaving in the way it has been alleged to have in its relations with Afghanistan. Pakistan is seen by Kabul, Washington and Delhi as the biggest hurdle in Afghanistan's peace and reconstruction. It is accused of funnelling support to the Afghan Taliban in their effort to topple the incumbent government in Kabul.

    Pakistan's policy towards Afghanistan is determined by its fears about two factors, which are inter-related:

    1. A stable Afghanistan, run by a secular government, is most likely to renew its claims over the territories between the Khyber Pass and River Indus, the area that is predominantly inhabited by ethnic Pakhtuns. This region was annexed by Britain during its empire in the subcontinent with the aim of making it a buffer — together with Afghanistan — between itself and the Russian empire. No Afghan government, including the Taliban, has ever recognised this area as constituting a legitimate part of Pakistan.

    2. The second is the Indian involvement in Afghanistan, and its alleged support to the Baloch insurgency. Because of Pakistan's track record of fuelling insurgencies in parts of India, including Kashmir, the Pakistani establishment believes that India uses Afghanistan to support the different insurgencies on its soil.

    The international community seems determined to make sure that Afghanistan emerges as a relatively stable country, its soil is not used for attacks on the West, and provision of basic services to its population. Towards that end, Afghanistan has made substantial progress. Road infrastructure has been built, schools and universities have been made functional, more than three-quarters of Afghans have access to health facilities, electricity has been provided to most urban centres, new hydroelectric power plants are being built and agriculture has been revived. Moreover, NATO has been working on training the Afghan security forces. According to the Long War Journal, as of December 2008, the Afghan National Army (ANA) stood at approximately 79,000 soldiers, 52,000 of whom were engaged in combat operations. During the spring and summer of 2008, the ANA led 62 percent of operations. According to the same journal, on September 10, 2008, the international community's Joint Coordination and Monitoring Board approved the increase of the ANA from 80,000 to 122,000 soldiers. With an additional 12,000 trainee, transient, hospitalised, and student personnel included, this accounts for a total strength of 134,000. This expansion project is currently underway and is going to be completed by the year 2013.

    Apart from increasing the capacity of infrastructure and security forces, the US president has unequivocally stated that he was misunderstood regarding his Afghan strategy and his mention of the 'withdrawal' of US forces in 2011. Clear messages are propping up from US policy making circles, including the White House, State Department and the Pentagon, to the effect that the US did not mean complete withdrawal, rather it meant the beginning of a 'process' of withdrawal. The US government has also made clear that it intends to finish the job in Afghanistan before it contemplates a complete withdrawal. So, the question arises, what if President Obama declares the promised beginning of withdrawal by announcing that, say, 3,000 US troops will return home by the end of 2011 and another 1,200 by the year 2015? Will that not mean that he met his promise regarding the beginning of 'drawing down' of US troops? And make no mistake, this is precisely what the US intends to do. So we do not need to wait in the wings with our Taliban proxies for the US troops to withdraw to move in to establish the 'Islamic Caliphate of Afghanistan'.

    And finally, how far are we economically and militarily strong to sustain support for our Taliban proxies in Afghanistan? Unfortunately, the Taliban (Punjabi Taliban included) are hitting the Pakistani state harder than they hit Afghanistan. With the increasing capacities of the Afghan security forces and the sustained support to and presence in Afghanistan of the international forces, the Taliban's capability to operate in Afghanistan is very limited. They are turning inward and are increasingly targeting the Pakistani state and society for its support to the war on terror.

    It seems that Pakistan's ability to sustain its support to the Afghan insurgents is very limited, and its chances of success almost nil. We have to find ways to safeguard our interests through more acceptable means. The best way seems to be for Pakistan to recognise the ground realities in our region and make sincere efforts towards forging friendly relations with Afghanistan. This will entail recognition of the fact that a more stable and prosperous Afghanistan offers an opportunity to Pakistan to pursue its 'Durand Line case' with a more enlightened and progressive government in Kabul. The two countries, through diplomacy, should be in a position to find a solution to the issue that is acceptable to the people and governments of the two countries. A zero-sum game has already harmed the two countries tremendously.

  • #2
    Dear ComradePashtun

    Some people under-estimate the Influence Pakistan has over the Insurgents. People get confused with TTP and Afghan Taliban. TTP is divided, Some are Pro Pakistan others are not, North Waziristan Taliban under Gul Badahur are not Anti-Pakistan, he was educated in a Punjabi Madrassah, Maulvi Nazir who happens to be a Afghan National, is the leader of the Ahmadzai Wazir Taliban and he too is Pro Pakistan and not Anti-Pakistan.

    The Mahsud Taliban under Hakeemullah Mahsud, is Anti-Pakistan "Government" not its Existance, as Hakeemullah too was reported on Indian News while sitting down in some part of a hilly location, stating that Pakistan army should not attack him as he would be the first to protect Punjab/Pakistan's borders with India.

    Not long ago, a militant by the name of Sabir Mahsud shot dead the Leader of the Punjabi Taliban (Omar Punjabi) over a dispute of the Kidnapped former ISI officials Col Imam and Khalid Khawaja. After a few weeks, Hakeemullah killed Sabir Mahsud in revenge of killing his Punjabi Talib friend.

    Pakistan has control over the Tribal region, if it didnt, then how come they can enforce FCR/Curfews all over Miram Shah, North Waziristan etc which are controlled by Taliban militants without any opposition or revolt?

    People under-estimate Pakistan's Trickery and Treachery upon the Pashtun people. Pakistani Applogists will use anything to make themselves look innocent, even their foreign wifes hide under the disguise of Anti-Americianism, even Short Sleeve Wearing Secular Pakistanis Support the Harsh Talib Sharia upon Afghans but refuse it upon themselves as they claim "They dont need it"

    Obviously the Indian factor comes into play, India was always a natural friend of Afghanistan since the Soviet times, and I thank India for protecting the remaining family of Dr Najibullah and not handing them over to the ISI-led Lunatics, we witnessed how Hamid Gul was happy seeing Najibullah being hanged and his testicles cutt off.

    Regarding the highlighted part about a Secular progressive government claiming land back from Pakistan, of course this will happen, Hamid Gul once said, that Taliban were the only government in Afghanistan who were not Anti-Pakistan, while the others were, meaning Religion played a vital factor in Pakistans Foreign Policy in Afghanistan to keep the masses and population under its thumb.

    That is why we witnessed 1000s of Madrassahs being built, it was Zia Ul Haq policy to keep the Pashtun society Saudised/Pakified and to associate Pakistan with Islam upon the minds of the future generations. Even in Afghanistan, Pakistan opened up Militant camps under the command of L.E.T. one also being hit by a cruise missle by the Americans.

    A stable Afghanistan is not in the interest of Pakistan and its applogists, even a country like America with its history of double standards has shown it wants a stable Afghanistan, there have been a number of offers to the insurgents hiding in "Pakistan" to lay down their arms and accept the Afghanistan consitition, but they refused and continue to spread terror by suicide bombing, laying down IED on Civilian roads and attacking the Police men and prevent law and order from functioning correctly.

    Take the case of the Bank of Jalalabad, a Talib hit squad went into the bank, slaughtered the innocent people and blew themselves up, not even a person like Faye and other Pakistani Applogists speak of such acts, all they do is cover such brutalies with Anti-Americanism, typical of Pakistani Nationalists or friends of Pakistan such as the Ikhwanis and the Jamiet-types.

    Afghanistan needs to rid of itself of Pakistani Influence. Pakistani Influence is poison to the region, its a parasite, Supporters of Pakistan are just as genetically corrupted and mentally evil. How can Afghanistan expect a country like Pakistan to be friendly, a double dealer, a begger and a unreliable friend even to America,America has spent way over 18 billion dollars in the last 10 years to fight terror, on the other hand Pakistan has used the money to arm itself against India, giving disregard to the plight of the Pashtun people under Taliban rule, The Pakistan Army only took action when the Swat Taliban reached buner and were close to Islamabad.

    To sum up this, Pakistan even the liberal secular progressives, will continue to support Groups such as the Taliban,Hakematyars, Mullah Omars, Bin Ladens to keep Pashtuns away from national pride and to keep them isolated from a sense of pride and recongition.

    ComradePashtun, do you remmeber the minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif begging the TTP not to attack "Punjab" as "Punjab" and "him" share the similar views on America and Nato.

    This is the attitude of Pakistan, they support Terror and barbaric laws upon others, while on the other hand, people such the Nawaz brothers enjoy running businesses in Western countries, they enjoy their secular plush lifestyle while Pashtuns suffer under their Policies.

    Same can be said about Hamid gul, he supports Taliban family values upon Afghans while he and children don short sleeve Shawal Kameezes, dont wear Hijabs or Burqas and run Coach businesses in Rawalpindi.

    THAT IS THE REAL HYPOCRASY.

    Deera Manana

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    • #3
      "while he and children don short sleeve Shawal Kameezes, dont wear Hijabs or Burqas and run Coach businesses in Rawalpindi."


      lol

      tu ta lagda bada haram na puttar. bada baqwas karda. oi oi goriya ja koo vich chaal maar

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TeraAbba View Post
        "while he and children don short sleeve Shawal Kameezes, dont wear Hijabs or Burqas and run Coach businesses in Rawalpindi."


        lol

        tu ta lagda bada haram na puttar. bada baqwas karda. oi oi goriya ja koo vich chaal maar

        Warning:Hypocrite on video



        You know what I mean Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

        Go away Punjabi-boy! Davis ZINDABAD

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        • #5
          what essentially is being asked to my understanding is why aren't KP and FATA Pashtuns seceding from Pakistan? Whats stopping them? Why all the talks? Are they armed? If not, why not?

          All Afghans/Pashtuns are against the foreigners, so ANP support for US-NATO throws their credibility out the window, especially when all Afghans are against US-NATO.

          Secession movement has to start from within KP and FATA. Deluding your mind into thinking that angrezis goals serve your interest at hand is not only pathetic, but makes such people who hold this thought appear to be messed up in the head.

          It is also very treacherous, and will create hate and resentment for such thinkers, especially when the infamous line is to trade one form of Punjab occupation for US occupation. This is almost like saying to someone, "we want you to have problems so that we can attain our goals"

          This mentality is beyond treacherous, and has tragic consequences for miscreants who hold such views.
          Last edited by Guest; 05-12-2011, 08:44 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pashtun_Ultranationalist View Post
            Warning:Hypocrite on video



            You know what I mean Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

            Go away Punjabi-boy! Davis ZINDABAD
            look how smart and sophisticated they are, something you could only dream of Pathan-boy. is Davis your father or your lover?

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            • #7
              Comrade wrora PashtunkhwaPeace Forum is basically a forum for Pashtuns of lar au bar. The reason they call it Pashtunkhwa is because of the poem of Ahmad Shah Baba. Now about their motivations...then majority are pro-Pashtun to varying degrees. I.e. Pro-Pashtuns but want Pashtuns to have their due share in both countries, separatists, etc.

              To a lot of politically minded Pashtuns east of the durand line (to a varying degree pashtun first if one can use that term), they have a very antagonistic tone towards Pakistani strategic policy. And due to this they may put forward or highlight the options you did. Now they have a point, if you look at Pakistani media or their very pro-Pathan group it is primarily on interests. I.e. Afghanistan is ruined I have my share in Pakistan, etc etc. Now if they see a shift of economic and political influence in Afghanistan, they fear losing leverage. Pashtunkhwa and the Pashtuns in general won`t rely on Pakistan anymore and that bothers them. I hope that makes sense.
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              • #8
                Hameed Gul is just like some of E Taliban who wants Sharia from other peoPle ,while they are enjoying western freedom ,that's called hypocrisy to the لعنت دي وي بر منافقينو.
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