Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan

[ScimitarXEdge]

so because I think Bashardost is a good person, he says I am Hazara after backbiting with his other unmasculine friend. LOL what a stupid logic. That would make him a combination of identities on that logic, an anglo american, a pakistani punjabi or urdu, Northern Alliancem member, but certainly not a pashtun.

WHich Pashtun supports US-NATO?

I just find it strange that with Luffy he advocates Non-Pashtuns in Pakistan who live near Pashtuns to be considered Pashtun; but he wants Afghans to hate their own Hazaras

odd.

[Toramana]

What logical fallacy it is, haan? Because, guardian says it, therefore the story is credible. The rational thing is, Pervez Musharaf has publically and directly denied it and according to logic and reason, now those that claim a deal had been made should either publically and directly refute what Musharaf says or produce a documentary evidence of the deal.

And the amazing thing is here the whole point is being based on physical attributes like masculanity, colour, etc. or on your identity. By the way, when I called ghwandal Khan a Hazara that was just a joke, I am least affected who he is.

Here are two more sources, AP and CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...-pakistan.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...38d92aa00f8a26

[Toramana]

Below is a related story.

"Christina Lamb, writing in the Sunday Times on 8 May (yesterday), has more details. "Bin Laden is supposed to have been living in the house in Abbottabad since 2005-2006 when General Nadeen Taj was commandant of the military academcy. Taj (who went on to succeed Ashfaq Kayani as head of the ISI in 2007) was a close confidant of Musharraf. He was on the plane with him that was refused entry into Pakistan airspace in 1999, provoking the military coup in which Musharraf seized power.

She continues that Taj allowed a number of radical ideologues associated with jihadist groups to use Abbottabad as a transit hub, including Hafiz Saeed, head of Lashkar-e-Toiba, the organisation behind the bombings of Mumbai in 2008...."

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...arraf-military

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/colum...yal-and-beyond

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Toramana, some people just dont get it, Pakistan was heavily involved in supporting and protecting such militant oufits.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Below is a related story.

"Christina Lamb, writing in the Sunday Times on 8 May (yesterday), has more details. "Bin Laden is supposed to have been living in the house in Abbottabad since 2005-2006 when General Nadeen Taj was commandant of the military academcy. Taj (who went on to succeed Ashfaq Kayani as head of the ISI in 2007) was a close confidant of Musharraf. He was on the plane with him that was refused entry into Pakistan airspace in 1999, provoking the military coup in which Musharraf seized power.

She continues that Taj allowed a number of radical ideologues associated with jihadist groups to use Abbottabad as a transit hub, including Hafiz Saeed, head of Lashkar-e-Toiba, the organisation behind the bombings of Mumbai in 2008...."

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...arraf-military

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/colum...yal-and-beyond

Here is Hamid Gul Ex-ISI sitting with Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of LET and Terrorism.

Hamid-Gul-640x480.jpg

[ScimitarXEdge]

What logical fallacy it is, haan? Because, guardian says it, therefore the story is credible. The rational thing is, Pervez Musharaf has publically and directly denied it and according to logic and reason, now those that claim a deal had been made should either publically and directly refute what Musharaf says or produce a documentary evidence of the deal.

And the amazing thing is here the whole point is being based on physical attributes like masculanity, colour, etc. or on your identity. By the way, when I called ghwandal Khan a Hazara that was just a joke, I am least affected who he is.

Here are two more sources, AP and CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...-pakistan.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...38d92aa00f8a26

No Guardian says it and Guardian has free press, Pakistan doesn't have free press. it's just the unlikely outcome of reality,

And also just because Musharaf denies something doesn't mean it's true; Pakistan deny many things, does that mean they're telling the truth? of course not.

[Alchemist]

The Guardian also said at one time that Iraq has WMD's. They were also happy to see UK go into Iraq back then.
It isn't like the Guardian is totally credible:

How propaganda poisons the mind - and our discourse - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

^ In the Above you will see how only 3 months ago the Guardian propagated false information, allegedly from wikileak against President Mugabe's Rival -Tsvangirai how he had publicly opposed American Sanctions but "Allegedly" and "Secretly" encourage them to apply tougher sanctions to weaken Mugabe - Day's later they corrected their mistakes.

What I find amazing is your tenacious and dishonest argumentation style. Here you have forced Toramana to post three different sources and on each count have created red herrings on the real issue. It appears that your real agenda is to just discredit Toramana - even when he has credible arguments.

What benefit would there be for musshysharaf to keep Osama? And why would the US even agree to keep OSama alive for so long? Then why would his murder be made so shabby?
Instead of asking the real important question - Que Buno...you keep harking on some trivial issue like how credible The Guardian is to you.

You seem so keen to believe the Guardian without any doubt at all. Not knowing who their source is even! But just because it is owned by some white man you think them to be unbiased? There is something wrong with you ...

[ScimitarXEdge]

The Guardian also said at one time that Iraq has WMD's. They were also happy to see UK go into Iraq back then.
It isn't like the Guardian is totally credible:

How propaganda poisons the mind - and our discourse - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

^ In the Above you will see how only 3 months ago the Guardian propagated false information, allegedly from wikileak against President Mugabe's Rival -Tsvangirai how he had publicly opposed American Sanctions but "Allegedly" and "Secretly" encourage them to apply tougher sanctions to weaken Mugabe - Day's later they corrected their mistakes.

What I find amazing is your tenacious and dishonest argumentation style. Here you have forced Toramana to post three different sources and on each count have created red herrings on the real issue. It appears that your real agenda is to just discredit Toramana - even when he has credible arguments.

What benefit would there be for musshysharaf to keep Osama? And why would the US even agree to keep OSama alive for so long? Then why would his murder be made so shabby?
Instead of asking the real important question - Que Buno...you keep harking on some trivial issue like how credible The Guardian is to you.

You seem so keen to believe the Guardian without any doubt at all. Not knowing who their source is even! But just because it is owned by some white man you think them to be unbiased? There is something wrong with you ...

Because I'm not a conspiracy theorist who thinks Jews are out to subdue the world as you are.

stick to posting Alex Jones videos and other tin foil hat escapades Subway employee who believes the Earth is flat.

[ghundal]

During Iraq war, Guardian gave credible news. Many newspapers had to publish Bushes and the Pentagon/CIA's lies about WMDs

[faye]

there's probably more solid proof to support the zionist 'conspiracy theory' than the 'theory of evolution', scimitarx.

[ScimitarXEdge]

there's probably more solid proof to support the zionist 'conspiracy theory' than the 'theory of evolution', scimitarx.

Zionism and jewish albeit connected are not identical.

[faye]

so how do you tell the difference. they probably all have israeli passports, shall i call them israeli?