Pakistan's army ridiculed after Bin Laden raid

[MDresden]

Dresden has not fully read the history and I dont really group them together. He is just a soldier and I challenge him here and there but I understand his mentality. He is just defensive of his national pride and the vision given to him ... its only because his military goals align with their Afghanistan vision... The elite here will only prop up Pakistan... so Matt will not likely see action in Pakistan anytime soon. It looks like they will mainly conduct rapid raids to hit leadership of insurgency groups.

Regarding Dr. Paul, I think this is a mark of honesty though in terms of his debating skills. Once, Mr Reid said to a young Senator from Illinoise: "you have a great speaking capability" and the young president to be replied ina cocky way: "its a gift Harry, what can i say?" In fact, Clinton is also a phenomenal speaker who learned a lot from watching Baptist preachers in the south deliver fiery sermons. Both men are opportunists and politicians to the core though.

The others are increasing their rhetoric because they feel that this is an opportune time to ramp up the pressure on Pakistan because they hope that it will destabilize it to the point of the loose confederacy being broken up. They however are at a loss because Mr. Cantor and Mr. pawlenty as well Mr Kerry want to continue the aid package... and Pakistan has the whip hand currently with its NATO supply routes.

What I urge you to do is to do what I have done all along... each time they clamor for an intervention in Pakistan challenge them to A) Learn to shoot B) Learn to shoot straight C) Learn rugged guerilla techniques and D) Fight their own battle against the Pak government E) Leave Mr. Dresden out of it.

Partly true. The EMO/EMG routes are being slowly drawn down I'm sure you can tell and we are just using more and more birds.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

100 percent Pakistan must have some elements who knew where Bin Laden was and was staying. Its impossible for Bin Laden to move around without Detection especially in a Nosey country like Pakistan.

Faye, You are now a days becoming the mouth piece of Hamid Gul and other ISI-Backed Conspriacy theorist loons. Go to Madina Colony, DI Khan, Pakhtunkhwa, there you will see the Abdullah Mahsud/Turkistani Bhittani Group, both are former Officers of Pak Fauge and are now commnading Taliban Afghan units fighting Anti-State elements.

Reading the News from Australia and living on the mother land is two different things.

I hope you understand my dear friend.

We are not supporting American Occupation, we want to use it to save us from a worser occupation, and that being prepared in the offices of Punjab GHQ, America may kill a few civilians, applogises are made, blood money is paid but what happened during the Civil Wars in Afghanistan and the way Pakistan abused,used, slaughtered, exploited innocent Pashtuns, is absolutely harendous.

I would rather spend my days under American/Nato Occupation, then watch my family being whipped by Pakistani Police in Refugee Camps. You only need to go through it to understand it.

[MDresden]

If that ever happened and you saw it PU...I would personally report it...you have my word.

[ScimitarXEdge]

We are not supporting American Occupation, we want to use it to save us from a worser occupation, and that being prepared in the offices of Punjab GHQ, America may kill a few civilians, applogises are made, blood money is paid but what happened during the Civil Wars in Afghanistan and the way Pakistan abused,used, slaughtered, exploited innocent Pashtuns, is absolutely harendous.

I would rather spend my days under American/Nato Occupation, then watch my family being whipped by Pakistani Police in Refugee Camps. You only need to go through it to understand it.

basically this translates into it's ok for America/NATO to abuse, exploit, use abuse, slaughter .


Of course you'd rather spend your days under NATO/American occupation; you're a mentally colonized slave who's working to perpetuate their agenda

You are always silent about American/NATO galvanization of Pakistans Military capacity and intelligence services, except when you talk about what happened in the 80's. Then you admit how the CIA orchestrated it all. But now you're hush hush.


The irony is the hypocrisy, you want to use the war to get funding, which is what Pakistan did.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

No, its not okay to abuse or slaughter anybody, I am speaking of the current situation, occupation will eventually come no matter how much you oppose it, so its a matter of importance to effectively use the occupation for your advantage.

Let me give you an example that my grandfather did during the British occupation of Waziristan, my grandfather worked as a engineer, he used the military educational system that the british brought to the region during their occupation, if he had not used it, my father would not have been a Doctor. On the other hand, his brother was a fighter, he asigned to kill officers stationed in Tank, he used the traintracks to make the gun, if there were not traintracks made by the occupation of the British, how would we have developed or modernised our fighting capabilities? we would have still been fighting with daggers and swords.

My point is, the Nato/US occupation can be taken advantage of when it comes to Pakistan, Mr Edge, its a Political thing, not a Emotional Religionous one, Nobody cares, not even your Ummah gives a toss, because if they did, they would have took action when Talibs and Alqaeda led Arabs were slaughtering fellow Muslims during the Civil Wars in Afghanistan.

If Pakistan is given the access to take over Afghanistan under the banner of Al Ummah/ or Al Khimat, or Al Musulmeen, or even Al Republic of Greater Pakistan, then trust me when they start interfering in Afghan Affairs, it wont be so rosey as how we are in the US/Nato occupation.

Remmeber this, America/Nato are advanced countries, their development plans in Afghanistan are not the same as what Pakistan done, remember the Timber projects of Pakistan, how they looted Afghan trees and took them for pennies and sold them expensive in Lahore.

Look at the current situation, Pakistan is already trying to convince Afghanistan to ditch its American allies and join hands with Pakistan and China, two more repressive double dealing countries on the Planet.

To sum up what I am saying, is that to be wise, one has to take advantage and use it to counter worser threats. Americans have no cultural ties with us and neither do their men want to live in Afghanistan, on the other hand Pakistan has more sinister interests, one being turning Afghanistan into its Waste-land/tip, and using it as a Jihadi-Training camp to counter India.

I would rather live under the Occupation of America/Nato then become a mule for some Pakistani Cleric who puts a 16,000 rupee bid on my life to die for Punjab.

[Michin Khel]

^^Not suddenly (btw not propaganda, there is a portion of Pashtun population that is anti-Pakistan)..it has been on many pashtun forums for awhile.

bullshyt.....prove to me that a portion of pashtun population is anti-pakistanis....keep in mind that you, khyal, pir rokhan etc can not be counted as pashtuns of pakistan, you people are citizens of US, canada etc and your views do not represent views of pashtuns of pakistan...,

[ScimitarXEdge]

No, its not okay to abuse or slaughter anybody, I am speaking of the current situation, occupation will eventually come no matter how much you oppose it, so its a matter of importance to effectively use the occupation for your advantage.

Let me give you an example that my grandfather did during the British occupation of Waziristan, my grandfather worked as a engineer, he used the military educational system that the british brought to the region during their occupation, if he had not used it, my father would not have been a Doctor. On the other hand, his brother was a fighter, he asigned to kill officers stationed in Tank, he used the traintracks to make the gun, if there were not traintracks made by the occupation of the British, how would we have developed or modernised our fighting capabilities? we would have still been fighting with daggers and swords.

My point is, the Nato/US occupation can be taken advantage of when it comes to Pakistan, Mr Edge, its a Political thing, not a Emotional Religionous one, Nobody cares, not even your Ummah gives a toss, because if they did, they would have took action when Talibs and Alqaeda led Arabs were slaughtering fellow Muslims during the Civil Wars in Afghanistan.

If Pakistan is given the access to take over Afghanistan under the banner of Al Ummah/ or Al Khimat, or Al Musulmeen, or even Al Republic of Greater Pakistan, then trust me when they start interfering in Afghan Affairs, it wont be so rosey as how we are in the US/Nato occupation.

Remmeber this, America/Nato are advanced countries, their development plans in Afghanistan are not the same as what Pakistan done, remember the Timber projects of Pakistan, how they looted Afghan trees and took them for pennies and sold them expensive in Lahore.

Look at the current situation, Pakistan is already trying to convince Afghanistan to ditch its American allies and join hands with Pakistan and China, two more repressive double dealing countries on the Planet.

To sum up what I am saying, is that to be wise, one has to take advantage and use it to counter worser threats. Americans have no cultural ties with us and neither do their men want to live in Afghanistan, on the other hand Pakistan has more sinister interests, one being turning Afghanistan into its Waste-land/tip, and using it as a Jihadi-Training camp to counter India.

I would rather live under the Occupation of America/Nato then become a mule for some Pakistani Cleric who puts a 16,000 rupee bid on my life to die for Punjab.

I agree but the way you're doing its will only maintains enslavement; look at your ideology, it's directly a product of the divide and rule schemes. If you think because NATO allies /America are advanced countries that Pashtunkhwah and Afghanistan will somehow have a taste of the good life, you're wrong. Look at what America did to Saigon in Vietnam; they just turned it into a Giant ***** house, just like the Heera Mundi in Lahore. and the Vietnamese still remained poor as always. You always exploit the issue of Pashtun women being raped, but if you support this all your concerns are just fraudulent.

you think the Americans don't prop up the Saudi Monarchs and such, that fund Wahhabism.

Then you label us who are essentially using your strategy on "their turf" as hypocrites for doing so.

the way to do it is to bring their system down from within; learn their infrastructure, learn maths and computers and then play it's weaknesses

if you want Pakistan to fall, start from the source of Pakistan ...the UK.

[faye]

100 percent Pakistan must have some elements who knew where Bin Laden was and was staying. Its impossible for Bin Laden to move around without Detection especially in a Nosey country like Pakistan.

Faye, You are now a days becoming the mouth piece of Hamid Gul and other ISI-Backed Conspriacy theorist loons. Go to Madina Colony, DI Khan, Pakhtunkhwa, there you will see the Abdullah Mahsud/Turkistani Bhittani Group, both are former Officers of Pak Fauge and are now commnading Taliban Afghan units fighting Anti-State elements.

Reading the News from Australia and living on the mother land is two different things.

I hope you understand my dear friend.

We are not supporting American Occupation, we want to use it to save us from a worser occupation, and that being prepared in the offices of Punjab GHQ, America may kill a few civilians, applogises are made, blood money is paid but what happened during the Civil Wars in Afghanistan and the way Pakistan abused,used, slaughtered, exploited innocent Pashtuns, is absolutely harendous.

I would rather spend my days under American/Nato Occupation, then watch my family being whipped by Pakistani Police in Refugee Camps. You only need to go through it to understand it.

i am not sure if you are the same person on the forum before that used to make mistakes that made it look like you are only pretending to be a pashtun, or not.
spouting hatred is not going to help anyone. being aware is always necessary but personally, i want to see afghanistan under the rule of afghans. no puppets from pakistan, no puppets from america or anywhere else. you are just trying to make me look like i am the one who is aginst the afghan people.
what are you suggesting? that the pashtun get into a war with pakistan whilst there is a war in afghanistan? what is your aim? ultra.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

i am not sure if you are the same person on the forum before that used to make mistakes that made it look like you are only pretending to be a pashtun, or not.
spouting hatred is not going to help anyone. being aware is always necessary but personally, i want to see afghanistan under the rule of afghans. no puppets from pakistan, no puppets from america or anywhere else. you are just trying to make me look like i am the one who is aginst the afghan people.
what are you suggesting? that the pashtun get into a war with pakistan whilst there is a war in afghanistan? what is your aim? ultra.

Listen Faye, Za Pashtin ya, I was one of the first members when this forum came into being last year. I do not need to prove who I am poyshway.

Secondly, fighting Pakistan is going to be the only option for Pashtuns and especially in regards to Unity. Pashtuns can only answer to Pakistans sinister aims with War or a declaration of war. War has always united the Pashtun people and with this modern day and era, it would be very beneficial for Pashtuns as a whole.

How are you going to prevent the infilitration of Pakistan ISI into Pashtun Region? by sitting down and watching a Episode of Home-and-Away?

[Michin Khel]

I was reading today newspaper, daily mashriq, and there was news that 90 thousands afghan refugees with pakistani ids have demanded that they should be given pakistani citizenships. (Few days ago NADRA cancelled pakistani NICs of 90 thousands afghan mohajirs which they have obtained through illegal means). And here i am seeing pashtun ultra nationalist who has racist views against pakistanis as if he is of royal lineage and his country is super power. Dear your country is world's most backward country and you people are trying your best to get pakistani citizenship so that you can go abroad. I hate hypocracy

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Luffy, there are 1000s upon 1000s of Pakistani Desis who go through Illegal ways to obtain a British Passport.

Here is one of the 1000s reported Sham Marriages by Pakistanis.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-c...rriage-attempt

I thought you guys were the "Pure Ones".

Why are you so offended by my racist and vile comments against Pakistan, unless you are a Punjabi, I dont see why any Pashtun from Pakhtunkhwa would consider my Anti-Pakistan remarks as insulting to their Racial profile.

L.O.L

[Michin Khel]

Pakistan is member of common wealth and pakistanis have right on britian, you people have not.
Pakistan is our country, and every pashtun in it consider it their country. If you go against my motherland then i will naturally oppose you.

[faye]

Listen Faye, Za Pashtin ya, I was one of the first members when this forum came into being last year. I do not need to prove who I am poyshway.

Secondly, fighting Pakistan is going to be the only option for Pashtuns and especially in regards to Unity. Pashtuns can only answer to Pakistans sinister aims with War or a declaration of war. War has always united the Pashtun people and with this modern day and era, it would be very beneficial for Pashtuns as a whole.

How are you going to prevent the infilitration of Pakistan ISI into Pashtun Region? by sitting down and watching a Episode of Home-and-Away?

so how are you going to prevent the infiltration of pakistan isi, by spouting hate on a forum or watching xtreme porn, like others in pakistan?
if you're really in afghan/pakistan territory what are you doing on here, wasting time? you should be out there in on the action.

[shehram]

These messages are a reflection of the growing frustration among Pakistanis over Monday's raid in which a team of US Navy Seals flew by helicopter from Afghanistan to a compound in the northern town of Abbottabad, killed Osama Bin Laden and then whisked away his body.
End Quote Nasir Khan Swat resident

That meqans afghani were with them and Now there a dout may they brought osama from Afghanistan with them and killed him in Pakistan . Beacause some witness i listen on BBc say the soldier were spoken pashto.((( Ghal sara lazim da koor na yaw malgaray wee)))

But mostly I think this is a drama not the reality .
I didnt believe osama can stay 5 years on one place stupid idea . Drama only only for DO MORE
and now obama election and runing from afghanistan, they want some thing to show americans and to world hahaha

only for 1 person they killed millions afghans pukhtoons and Pukhtoonkhwah pukhtoons.
Osama was thier agent not islamic mujahid.

They killed innocent pashtoons in thier Cat and rat game.

[ComradePashtun]

Loopy,
Forgery is an every day habit and like taking a breath in Pakistan, even at the highest level. I wont be surprised if those Afghans who live there are any immune to it. They probably do it out of what ever the neccessity that there is for them. This doesn't mean that the rest of us give flying shyt about your country, and it doesn't make it any prestigious either.
Pakis every where are fraud. Literally every where. I know tons of them in UK who have forged Afghan identity documents to gain a stay or refugee status.
Pakistan a member of common wealth and having a right on Britain?lol What kind of a right, loopy?
Frankly speaking, while I love and respect my brothers where there is mutual love and respect between us, I could give a shyt about the rest of you Pathans where you crap and what you do, and nor does it concern us if you turn against us. There are more than enough Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns who rather are privillaged with wider exposure to the world than you who despise your country.