Michael Scheuer --- views on the post-Osama atmosphere

[MDresden]

You guys did the same thing in South Vietnam ...and what ended up happening is that you turned Saigon into a Brothel for the GIs


this red herring of creating jobs and paving highways ...is really just a smokescreen

And your actions here are nothing more then a smokescreen as is your name, your family and everything you are...is a farce. How do I know your intentions and who you really are?

[faye]

b.a. man, you appear to be so 'on the fence'. i am quite happy to wear a tin foil hat, doesn't bother me at all. if i am wrong, i am wrong but if i am right then one big mf hoax has been played and a lot of filthy deeds excused. sorry bout the abrasiveness, i haven't bothered to cultivate the intellectual art of demeening and belittling, like yourself.

[ScimitarXEdge]

what are you rolling your eye balls at "Scimitar"?

it applies to you ...mr. ph.d.

What priestly institution have vowed to follow blindly?

Spewing lies about me...going ad hominem ...that is all you can do now. Hate me all you want ... fact remains ..you've sold out.

Of course .. I shouldn't be surprised.

You and Dr. Abdali are Americans.
At least you think you are.
And that country's culture is known for it's power to assimilate.
You are both confused in the same way....alone on the fringes...all you have is the institutions that brainwashed you into thinking abstractly because your rational is totally divorced from reality - That is the American way.

I dont think I am American at all.

[ScimitarXEdge]

And your actions here are nothing more then a smokescreen as is your name, your family and everything you are...is a farce. How do I know your intentions and who you really are?

How does exposing the immorality of Imperialism a smokescreen?

[MDresden]

Another attacker bites the dust...figuratively. Don't mistake my kindness and eagerness to learn to being a push over.

[MDresden]

How does exposing the immorality of Imperialism a smokescreen?

So you are exposing it to what...the uhm...30 ish people that view the thread? Really?

[ScimitarXEdge]

So you are exposing it to what...the uhm...30 ish people that view the thread? Really?

you might be surprised as to who and how many this actually reaches. I won't elaborate

now please explain to me how I'm making a smokescreen of all the things you have stated.

[MDresden]

you might be surprised as to who and how many this actually reaches. I won't elaborate

now please explain to me how I'm making a smokescreen of all the things you have stated.

I was just throwing words around like yourself.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

b.a. man, you appear to be so 'on the fence'. i am quite happy to wear a tin foil hat, doesn't bother me at all. if i am wrong, i am wrong but if i am right then one big mf hoax has been played and a lot of filthy deeds excused. sorry bout the abrasiveness, i haven't bothered to cultivate the intellectual art of demeening and belittling, like yourself.

Well Faye, the Pharisees used to say the same about someone far better than I to whose feet I cannot reach. They used to bring him questions to test his religious knowledge in the temple with absurdies such as as: if a woman has had multiple deceased husband who does she get to be with in heaven... his answers were quiet clever zingers. He also threw the money lenders out of the temple with a whip. Mr. Dresden has a quote in his signature indicating that he holds a view. He has to defend that view if he chooses to comment in the authenticity of his intentions and regarding where the moral imperitive us. I have met grossly uneducated people, including soldiers who have told me in private, after asking me about my ethnicity, and after me offering no advice/info: "I dont know why the hell we are there... the **** we did was what pissed that Bin ladin guy off." If some 50 sum year old guy from the northeast, without a degree to his name, with heart disease, diabetes, and a stroke history is smart enough to connect the dots... it has nothing to do with education. If Mr. Dresden chooses to ignore evidence and gets upset because of my tone and decides to endorse a view based on how much he dislikes me.. then it is he that will have to answer to whatever Make he believes in on judgement day. The Truth sets you free no matter who it comes from, whether that person is communist, jewish, Islamist, American, etc.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I was just throwing words around like yourself.

oh but I'm not doing that, I'm using America's Military History to show the nefarious nature of the so called "rebuilding" going on

[faye]

who gives a crap what the pharisees said, it's you i'm talking to, b.a.

[MDresden]

And the beautiful thing about it is...my intentions are my own and in my place "in the ranks" I can hold my own faiths and values as I see it.

I have no way to impress my views upon those in a higher power "slot" other then talking to senators and representatives and voice my opinion.

Now as far as legal obligations...I do have a legal obligation to disoby any order that's lawless eithically or morally.

The Operation Enduring Freedom would take decades upon decades to dignify if it's lawful or not so that would be a waste of time and space debating such things.

[faye]

i can never see how it is 'democratic' to murder people into submission.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

what are you rolling your eye balls at "Scimitar"?

it applies to you ...mr. ph.d.

What priestly institution have vowed to follow blindly?

Spewing lies about me...going ad hominem ...that is all you can do now. Hate me all you want ... fact remains ..you've sold out.

Of course .. I shouldn't be surprised.

You and Dr. Abdali are Americans.
At least you think you are.
And that country's culture is known for it's power to assimilate.
You are both confused in the same way....alone on the fringes...all you have is the institutions that brainwashed you into thinking abstractly because your rational is totally divorced from reality - That is the American way.

By nationality I am an American Alchemist, as are you I suspect. Its not some dirty word or something. Its not even about assimilation. How is preaching the doctrine of noninterventionalism and explaining to people anywhere indicative of being brainwashed.

I have done the same with Che Geuvara. Mr. Guevara was extremely upset with our policy in Latin America. Why would it be wrong to ask someone to investigate his works and understand what exactly caused him to want to violently fight American interests in Cuba and elsewhere to the point the CIA executed a kill and capture mission in Bolivia?

I could have been a citizen of France, Saudi, etc and felt the same way. I think you can find Afghans abroad and in Afghanistan proper that would reflexively, despite their lack of information access, ask a simple question. Pashtuns hold solla jirgaay to try and tease out where the problems lay in a conflict between multiple parties. Usually the elders ask questions and the others explain themselves and their actions. In this same way, I believe that if you sat down an Afghan tribal leader and said look: We have two pissed off parties, America and Mr. Bin Ladin. Mr. Bin ladin supposedly slammed a plane into two buildings. America got mad and decided he was a bad man and had to die along with anyone that sympathized with him. I am sure the elder would ask a simple question: Well Mr. Bin ladin... why did you ruin Matt Dresden's buildings?

Regarding sources, as I stated, my general strategy in argument, which may or may not work, I will leave it to you to decide, is to give the opposition exactly what they want. Give them 100% of their demands and let them have everything they want to start with except the moral imperitive. Make them earn the latter. A part of that means that I use their own people's sources to argue with them. I rarely cite Muslim sources because many folks here are secularist ANPites and Westerners that would quickly overlook or denounce a Muslim source even when they make complete common sense. Therefore, I accept their precondition, and tie my hand behind my back. Then I utilize their own accepted sources against them, from folks like Dr. Scheuer (who I would say is more an American protectionist/noninterventionalist than he is a hawk), the Indian Diplomat M K Bhadrakumar (since any pakistani source is automatically condemned), Matthew Hoh, Patrick Buchanon etc.

[ScimitarXEdge]

And the beautiful thing about it is...my intentions are my own and in my place "in the ranks" I can hold my own faiths and values as I see it.

I have no way to impress my views upon those in a higher power "slot" other then talking to senators and representatives and voice my opinion.

Now as far as legal obligations...I do have a legal obligation to disoby any order that's lawless eithically or morally.

The Operation Enduring Freedom would take decades upon decades to dignify if it's lawful or not so that would be a waste of time and space debating such things.

meddling in other peoples affairs is not legal ethically or morally