Bin Laden was killed years ago'

[Catya Sher]

Qunduz, that was my take too the first time I saw that video a long time ago.

Benazir looked totally OUT OF IT and like a zombie, made that statement ;
it was obvious she meant daniel pearl.
No one corrected her
But conspiracy theorists seized on that statement which I completely DISCOUNT.

Why would Benazir let out a huge secret, were it true, anyway?
She wouldn't use the word "Murdered" either -
almost all Americans are too ignorant to catch this.

if Osama had REALLY been murdered, that would have been
front page news all over the world, as Benazir had
become an American proxy, and her pronouncements were avidly followed
by the adoring Western media "oh a woman in power: WOW"
all the status quo people constantly gushed regarding Benazir.

So this would hardly have gone unnoticed.

She looked very spaced out as I recall.
Like she was on drugs or medication.

[Catya Sher]

Here are a couple of other summaries about this attempted fraud, from Gordon Duff's collected material:

TOP TEN REASONS>>>(Alex James) My Letterman imitation of the top 10 reasons for Bin Laden’s death announcement:

10. They ran out of Bin Laden look-alikes to use in fake videos
9. People stopped believing that a cave-dweller on a dialysis machine was still alive after 10 years
[8/ Not Applicable !]
7. They want to be able to say something was achieved for the TRILLIONS spent on wars over the last 10 years and the thousands of innocent civilian lives
6. They need a distraction from the upcoming Gaza Flotilla and from the upcoming vote in the UN on Palestinian sovereignity, and the Move-Over-AIPAC conference this month
5. They need us to remain terrified of the upcoming retaliation for Bin Laden’s death to justify the continuance of the TSA’s “Grope or Fry” policy
4. They need a distraction from the birth certificate controversy
3. They need a distraction from the murders of Ghadafi’s son and grandchildren
2. They need a ploy to remake Obama as a hero to the “USA! USA!” crowd and get him re-elected
1. They need an excuse to pull troops out of Afghanistan to deploy elsewhere and take us into war once more – probably Syria/Iran
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“Death of Bin Laden”: A Spectral Human Sacrifice











Osama Bin Bogeyman, the tribal chiefs tell us, has been ritually sacrificed: Slaughtered by warriors, then dumped into the ocean.
But how can you sacrifice a ghost?
Bin Laden has almost certainly been dead since December 2001, when far more reliable reports of his death were published. That means the guy they killed and threw in the ocean must have either been a ghost, or one of Bin Laden’s many reported doubles.
The controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, which pulverized about 3000 people into dust in a few seconds, was the most elaborate and spectacular ritual human sacrifice ever orchestrated. Now, almost ten years later, an almost equivalently unspectacular human sacrifice has been arranged to reinforce the sacred myth of the original sacrifice, which founded a new, homicidal pseudo-religion. (I will discuss this on today’s radio show with Elias Davidsson, author of The Dangerous Cult of 9/11.)
This coupling of human sacrifices is pure religious ritual, with a dash of theater of the absurd. It has nothing to do with reality. Even the FBI admits that Bin Laden is “not wanted” for 9/11 — though he is wanted for other crimes — because there is “no hard evidence” that he had anything to do with 9/11.
If in fact US authorities suspected Osama Bin Laden was involved with 9/11, and was still alive, they would have pulled out all the stops to take him alive. And if they had screwed up royally and killed him, would they have immediately dumped the body at sea?! Given the formidable case that Bin Laden died in 2001, obviously US authorities would have taken pains to prove to a skeptical world that the corpse or specter or whatever it was they possessed was the real Bin Laden. Feeding the body to the fishes so fast looks…well, calling it “fishy” would be an insult to the scaly denizens of the deep.
Whatever evidence they produce identifying the ghost or double as “Bin Laden” will probably have the same chain of custody as the Fatty Bin Laden “confession video” of December 2001 — that is, no chain of custody whatsoever.
So why was this moment chosen for the ritual sacrifice of Bin Laden’s ghost? Some say to distract from Obama’s bogus birth certificate. Others suggest that the whole point is to demonize Pakistan, which is moving out of the US orbit into an alliance with China. But I think the real motivation was to blast the media with a message reinforcing the official myth of 9/11, in the run-up to the tenth anniversary.
The whole world is jeering at the “19 hijackers” myth, and waking up to controlled demolition–as proven by a recent poll showing 89% of Germans don’t buy the official BS. The spectacular, I mean specular, sacrifice of OBL’s ghost is supposed to subliminally convince us that OBL and the radical Muslims really did it — even though the FBI begs to disagree.
From spectacular human sacrifice to spectral human sacrifice. What a joke.
If stupidity were a capital crime, OBL’s dictate “kill Americans wherever you find them” would apply, in spades, to the acephalic yahoos dancing around waving American flags in response to the mendacious media’s spectral sacrifice of Bin Laden’s shade.
Kevin Barrett

[Catya Sher]

Here are a couple of other summaries about this attempted fraud, from Gordon Duff's collected material:

TOP TEN REASONS>>>(Alex James) My Letterman imitation of the top 10 reasons for Bin Laden’s death announcement:

10. They ran out of Bin Laden look-alikes to use in fake videos
9. People stopped believing that a cave-dweller on a dialysis machine was still alive after 10 years
[8/ Not Applicable !]
7. They want to be able to say something was achieved for the TRILLIONS spent on wars over the last 10 years and the thousands of innocent civilian lives
6. They need a distraction from the upcoming Gaza Flotilla and from the upcoming vote in the UN on Palestinian sovereignity, and the Move-Over-AIPAC conference this month
5. They need us to remain terrified of the upcoming retaliation for Bin Laden’s death to justify the continuance of the TSA’s “Grope or Fry” policy
4. They need a distraction from the birth certificate controversy
3. They need a distraction from the murders of Ghadafi’s son and grandchildren
2. They need a ploy to remake Obama as a hero to the “USA! USA!” crowd and get him re-elected
1. They need an excuse to pull troops out of Afghanistan to deploy elsewhere and take us into war once more – probably Syria/Iran
————————————-
“Death of Bin Laden”: A Spectral Human Sacrifice











Osama Bin Bogeyman, the tribal chiefs tell us, has been ritually sacrificed: Slaughtered by warriors, then dumped into the ocean.
But how can you sacrifice a ghost?
Bin Laden has almost certainly been dead since December 2001, when far more reliable reports of his death were published. That means the guy they killed and threw in the ocean must have either been a ghost, or one of Bin Laden’s many reported doubles.
The controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, which pulverized about 3000 people into dust in a few seconds, was the most elaborate and spectacular ritual human sacrifice ever orchestrated. Now, almost ten years later, an almost equivalently unspectacular human sacrifice has been arranged to reinforce the sacred myth of the original sacrifice, which founded a new, homicidal pseudo-religion. (I will discuss this on today’s radio show with Elias Davidsson, author of The Dangerous Cult of 9/11.)
This coupling of human sacrifices is pure religious ritual, with a dash of theater of the absurd. It has nothing to do with reality. Even the FBI admits that Bin Laden is “not wanted” for 9/11 — though he is wanted for other crimes — because there is “no hard evidence” that he had anything to do with 9/11.
If in fact US authorities suspected Osama Bin Laden was involved with 9/11, and was still alive, they would have pulled out all the stops to take him alive. And if they had screwed up royally and killed him, would they have immediately dumped the body at sea?! Given the formidable case that Bin Laden died in 2001, obviously US authorities would have taken pains to prove to a skeptical world that the corpse or specter or whatever it was they possessed was the real Bin Laden. Feeding the body to the fishes so fast looks…well, calling it “fishy” would be an insult to the scaly denizens of the deep.
Whatever evidence they produce identifying the ghost or double as “Bin Laden” will probably have the same chain of custody as the Fatty Bin Laden “confession video” of December 2001 — that is, no chain of custody whatsoever.
So why was this moment chosen for the ritual sacrifice of Bin Laden’s ghost? Some say to distract from Obama’s bogus birth certificate. Others suggest that the whole point is to demonize Pakistan, which is moving out of the US orbit into an alliance with China. But I think the real motivation was to blast the media with a message reinforcing the official myth of 9/11, in the run-up to the tenth anniversary.
The whole world is jeering at the “19 hijackers” myth, and waking up to controlled demolition–as proven by a recent poll showing 89% of Germans don’t buy the official BS. The spectacular, I mean specular, sacrifice of OBL’s ghost is supposed to subliminally convince us that OBL and the radical Muslims really did it — even though the FBI begs to disagree.
From spectacular human sacrifice to spectral human sacrifice. What a joke.
If stupidity were a capital crime, OBL’s dictate “kill Americans wherever you find them” would apply, in spades, to the acephalic yahoos dancing around waving American flags in response to the mendacious media’s spectral sacrifice of Bin Laden’s shade.
Kevin Barrett

[faye]

haha, rita katz is being interviewed on the radio. she is supposed to be monitering alqaeda websites and she says the jihad is still on and that alqaeda are claiming to have thousands of potential osamas. there you are guys, the word is out, from the horses mouth.

[ghundal]

They need to show the long-form death certificate, autopsy, and a DNA identification that corroborates with family members. Just saying this has all been done doesn't mean anything

[Catya Sher]

Look, articles are already coming out to pave the way to DENY showing even a PHOTO - easily doctored these days anyway.
But from the sound of THIS article, from something called "Lookout", posted on Yahoo News, few Americans are suspicious past the simple photo request.
Of course it's a bunch of lies !

I think we should pray that TRUTH comes out no matter much it is suppressed with such excuses as the final sentence below: 'It might jeopardize future operations' - about the weakest I have heard. Notice how the only way the mainstream will admit was a mistake was the pretend burial at sea -
as if no country would take him. I bet any Arab country would have!

Amid the justified celebrations over the killing of Osama bin Laden, an awkward question is starting to rear its head: Did U.S. policymakers err in burying the al Qaeda leader at sea?

Already, the decision has provoked criticism from some Islamic scholars, who say a maritime burial isn't in keeping with Muslim law. And there are signs that the move could help fuel skepticism, especially among President Obama's critics, about whether bin Laden was really killed at all.
The Pentagon has said the body was treated in accordance with traditional Islamic procedures--including washing the corpse--before it was placed in the waters of the northern Arabian Sea.
U.S. officials have said they wanted to avoid the al Qaeda leader's grave site becoming a shrine for his followers. They've also said it would have been difficult to find a foreign country willing to accept bin Laden's remains, especially in so short a time: Islamic tradition and practice call for the body of the deceased to be buried within 24 hours of death.
But several Muslim authorities said today that the sea burial in fact violated Muslim tradition--and warned that it could help trigger calls for revenge from militant Muslims.
The sea burial "runs contrary to the principles of Islamic laws, religious values and humanitarian customs," Sheik Ahmed al-Tayeb, the grand Imam of Cairo's al-Azhar mosque, told the AP.
And Mohammed al-Qubaisi, Dubai's grand mufti, echoed that view. "If the family does not want him, it's really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers and that's it."

He added: "Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them."

And Abdul-Sattar al-Janabi, who preaches at Baghdad's Abu Hanifa mosque declared: "It is not acceptable, and it is almost a crime to throw the body of a Muslim man into the sea," adding that the action "might provoke some Muslims."
But the religious verdict may not be quite that open and shut. Imam Shamsi Ali, of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York, told The Lookout that in emergency circumstances, any Islamic law can be overlooked. "For example, you're not allowed to eat pork," he said, but added that if you were starving to death, it would be considered acceptable. Ali said that because the United States appears to have been unable to find a country to take bin Laden's body within 24 hours, this might have qualified as such an emergency.
Islamic practices aside, the decision is already triggering conspiracy theories that cast doubt on whether bin Laden is truly dead--even though DNA testing is said to have confirmed with virtual certainty that the al Qaeda leader was indeed killed. An assertion by Pakistan's Taliban that bin Laden is still living was picked up on several users of the conservative website FreeRepublic.com. In addition, one writer on the Andrew Breitbart website Big Peace called for bin Laden's body to be"digitally scanned" so that Americans could verify his death for themselves. On Twitter, Emily Miller, an editor at the conservative Washington Times, demanded a photo of the body as "proof."
Skepticism could only increase in some quarters if the Obama administration declines to release photos of bin Laden's body. No decision has yet been made on that question, according to White House counter-terror adviser John Brennan, who said this afternoon that doing so could jeopardize future operations./COLOR]
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[randolph85]

wouldnt u just say the certificate is fake? plus why would there be an autopsy, do u even know what an autopsy is? if there was an autopsy, wouldnt u just say its not his body. and for the dna id, wouldnt u just claim its as fake as the death announcement?

no one he wants to answer me when i ask, if bin laden has been dead for years, havent the taliban and aq been lying all this time about him being alive? anyone????

[ScimitarXEdge]

I would say yes Oz, they probably lied; it's not as if Taliban are angels, they've lied about other stuff before, they lie about things as much as the Americans do. It's all a game of who lies better.

[ghundal]

Another question is why do this on the exact day of Adolph Hitlers death. Not displaying the body is basically admitting that he died long ago and they wanted to present him at a time when most appropriate for their agenda.
to further prove that it is all staged is now they announced that a recent obl tape is about to appear just to prove he was alive recently.

There are too many questions. Its all BS. The more I read, more questions come up than answers.

I think its safe to say none of us know anything. I think no one knows anything about anything.

[ghundal]

has this whole 11 years been a hoax? Do we even know for sure who is who, who serves who? Can we ever know these things for sure?

[randolph85]

I would say yes Oz, they probably lied; it's not as if Taliban are angels, they've lied about other stuff before, they lie about things as much as the Americans do. It's all a game of who lies better.

i was just trying to see if talib supporters here could admit their guys have been lying to them this entire time, if they believe bin laden has been dead all this time. no one wants to answer me =(

[ghundal]

Uncle tom, why don't you ask yourself why you are so ready to believe everything you hear?

[Catya Sher]

When did the Taliban state that Osama is alive?
Where are the purported lies?

[khushal]

wouldnt u just say the certificate is fake? plus why would there be an autopsy, do u even know what an autopsy is? if there was an autopsy, wouldnt u just say its not his body. and for the dna id, wouldnt u just claim its as fake as the death announcement?

no one he wants to answer me when i ask, if bin laden has been dead for years, havent the taliban and aq been lying all this time about him being alive? anyone????

I will answer your questions with questions.
I don't think any sane person would question if he is dead or not, but what is questionable is the story of how he was killed, where he was killed,, and also was he killed on Sunday. I mean if you bring these questions in court and have two attorneys go at it.
1.The first question is where is his body. Without a body death can not be confirmed.
2.Why was he thrown in the sea. All the other wanted terrorists were displayed for the world to see.
3.The helicopter crashing, why were no americans hurt in the operation.
4. how could the Pak army not know about the operation when this is the heart of Pak army. (remember the hostage rescue during the Iran hostage crises, the whole rescue flopped because the iranian military took care a few helicopters, and the irainian military is not as sophiticated as the Pak army is today.)
5. If you know exactly where he is, why not capture him alive.
6. Why is there no serious criticism of the PAk establishment.
I can go on and on but does the whole story not produce more questions than answers

[randolph85]

When did the Taliban state that Osama is alive?
Where are the purported lies?

today
http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/...ws-200513.html

2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002....jeevanvasagar

2005
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...6/s1392246.htm

2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10624157..._central_asia/

YouTube - Taliban commander says Bin Laden still alive - 5 June 07

hekmatyar..

2009

http://www.juancole.com/2009/11/hikm...-suggests.html

2007

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...5-5-2007_pg7_4