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    Karzai considers military draft in Afghanistan - The Washington Post


    Karzai considers military draft in Afghanistan





    By Joshua Partlow, Updated: Thursday, April 28, 11:18 AM


    KABUL — Faced with daunting bills and uncertain about the United States’ long-term commitment to fund the Afghan army and police, President Hamid Karzai is considering a military draft to replace the all-volunteer force being built in Afghanistan, according to senior Afghan officials.
    The prospect of mandatory conscription, though still only a topic of discussion, has some appeal for Karzai as it would be a cheaper alternative than fielding the costly security forces that are rapidly growing with American money and support, the officials said. The Afghan security forces are projected to cost more than $6 billion to sustain in 2014, the year Afghans are set to take sole control of their combat duties — a vast sum for a country that took in $1.5 billion in revenue last year.






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    “The number of Afghan security forces should be adequate to the security environment we have,” said Rangin Dadfar Spanta, Afghanistan’s national security adviser. “I don’t think we will have endlessly a very expensive army that we have to pay for.”
    The topic has come up amid the ongoing negotiations between the United States and Afghanistan to reach a “strategic partnership” agreement that would outline the terms of America’s commitment here beyond 2014. American and Afghan officials alike worry about the ability of the United States and its NATO allies to foot the massive costs of the security forces for many years into the future.
    Karzai also has political concerns about such an ambitious commitment. The starting salary for an army private is $165 a month, rising to over $200 for those in hazardous areas, which is more than some judges or prosecutors or teachers make. A draft probably would allow the government to pay its troops less than it does now.
    Karzai has worried that devoting too many of the state’s resources to the security forces — projected to be 310,000-strong later this year — could create an entitled military class with imposing political power that could undermine civilian authority, much as it has in Pakistan.
    Karzai has publicly proposed the idea of a draft in the past, including during a visit to Germany in February 2010.
    “This is a discussion,” Spanta said of the draft idea, adding that it is being looked at for after 2014. “It’s not in the implementation phase.”
    U.S. military officials involved in building the Afghan security forces have long opposed the idea of a draft. They argue that soldiers and police require a good wage to attract recruits and that they have already improved the ethnic balance of the security forces. Enticing Pashtuns from southern Afghanistan to fight the predominantly Pashtun Taliban has been an obstacle for years. But the aggressive recruiting drive for soldiers and police has already surpassed authorities’ targets.
    “Why would you need a draft when you’ve got an over-abundance of recruits?” asked one U.S. military official in Kabul involved in the training effort. On a draft, the official said, “our position would be absolutely not.”
    A senior U.S. military official said that the notion of a draft has not come up in conversation with defense minister Abdul Rahim Wardak. A spokesman for Wardak said the constitution allows for conscription but “I think in the current situation, the country is not ready for a military draft.”
    Conscription is not new in Afghanistan. The country had a draft during the Soviet occupation in the 1980s as well as the previous four-decade rule of King Zahir Shah. Even with mandatory military service, some areas of the country, including Pashtun areas of the southeast, were exempt and security was provided by local tribal militias. The prospect of bringing back the draft would face similar problems today in rural areas detached from the central government, said Seth Jones, a Rand Corp. analyst and Afghanistan expert.
    “There are some areas, including Pashtun areas, that are likely to be deeply resistant to conscription, because they’re not going to want to be part of the central government,” Jones said.
    “The most important issue is will that make the army a more effective fighting force? What Afghanistan looks like in five to 10 years, a lot of these debates ... will be irrelevant or moot if the government loses,” he added. “The most immediate issue is to win the war.”
    Last edited by Guest; 04-28-2011, 02:59 PM.

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    hmmm? Thoughts. Brothers will not fight each other. The foreign presence is the barrier to peace.
    Last edited by Guest; 04-28-2011, 03:01 PM.

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    • #3
      . No Afghan will fight each other. The security of Afghanistan can only be made by its own people, and not foreign criminal aggressors.

      They need to get the message which has been made very obvious by all Afghans united against foreign aggressors. No one will serve foreigners because this is an act of treason and sedition, and is anti-Islamic/anti-Afghan/anti-Pashtun. True Afghans will not fight their brothers, but be on their side.
      Last edited by Guest; 04-28-2011, 03:13 PM.

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      • #4
        Pretty smart if it can be pulled off....or borderline suicide.
        http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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        • #5
          if u havent noticed, afghans have been fighting each other for decades now.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #6
            i saw an interview with an american private security ex cia guy and he gets $35,000 a month.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
              if u havent noticed, afghans have been fighting each other for decades now.
              centuries.....

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              • #8
                There are many benifits that could come with this move, but if it can be pulled off as BLS has said.

                It will make the country more secure and make the military a trully national institution that could serve as an integrating and educational pot for all people of Afghanistan and bring its people closer and help the many with basic education.

                It could also prevent the army becoming a state within a state and a class to itself and much more of the ills that it can bring and Pakistan as mentioned in the report can serve as an example.

                Importantly, all of Afghanistan communities could have an equal representation.

                Moreover, it could never become an institution that could become a tool for foreign interests.
                Last edited by ComradePashtun; 04-29-2011, 11:55 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ghundal View Post
                  hmmm? Thoughts. Brothers will not fight each other. The foreign presence is the barrier to peace.
                  If you could only pull your head from your...
                  Last edited by Azmal; 04-30-2011, 11:10 AM.
                  ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                  نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                  چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                  نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                  سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                  بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                  چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                  يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                  سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                  په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                  ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                  اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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