Talib Khan fails to attract KPK Pukhtuns

[Bengal_Tiger]

Now that the troll is on ignore, first of all the Mukhti Bahini were the military wing of the Awami League who were allies of Pashtun nationalists i.e. the NAP in West Pakistan. They were heroes who liberated our country and we Bengalis also thank those brave Pashtuns (and Balochis) who refused to commit atrocities against us and some even defected to our side, things which I know because I am a Bengali and not some ISI-terrorist supporter who has never been to Bangladesh like Luffy. For Luffy and his ISI terrorist friends, unfortunately Bangladesh is independent - unfortunately for terrorists like you that is - and nothing will change that. I hope Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan and Sindh join us.

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[Bengal_Tiger]

From a Pakistani writer.

Success and failure

By S. Akbar Zaidi | From the Newspaper April 1, 2011 (4 weeks ago)


THE country which was considered to be a basket case in 1971, is today offering a mirror to others on how developing countries can become a development state and is being referred to as the `development surprise` of the 21st century.
At the same time, it has also ensured that democracy is developing as a strong and permanent alternative to military rule, under which it has had many years of painful repression.

That this overwhelmingly Muslim country is also constitutionally and increasingly in practice politically secular is also a lesson for other Muslim majoritarian countries to emulate. The Supreme Court struck down a 31-year-old constitutional amendment and restored the country to its founding status as a secular republic, banning the writings of some radical Islamic ideologues.

The country which in the mid-1960s was heralded as a role model for other developing countries, where the international press had praised its military-led development model no end, stating that it might just reach the levels of development achieved only by the United States, has just appeared as the world`s 10th most failed, or failing, state. On the course towards reaching this rather ignominious distinction, this country has also been called “the most dangerous place in the world”, and a “rogue state with a nuclear arsenal”.

In the world of development achievements and democratic and secular credentials, it is Bangladesh today which offers a rather sad comment on Pakistan`s numerous failed promises. Bangladesh is one of the six countries in Asia and Africa which has been feted for its progress towards achieving its Millennium Development Goals, a set of targets that seek to eradicate extreme poverty and boost health, education and the status of women worldwide by 2015.

It has also halved its birth rate over the last few decades, happily giving up its title of the sixth most populous country to Pakistan. And despite the fanfare of having a larger number of women parliamentarians, it is Bangladesh which has far greater gender parity than does Pakistan, and women`s rights are better ensured in the former than in the latter.

Moreover, Bangladesh`s economy has grown at nearly six per cent a year over the past three years, despite the global downturn and high fuel and food prices which Pakistani finance officials cite as reasons for Pakistan`s failure. Furthermore, Bangladesh`s exports of garments worth $12.3bn last year, make it the fourth in the world behind China, the European Union and Turkey, leaving behind cotton-producing and exporting Pakistan.

Bangladesh gave the model of microfinance to the rest of the world and the man behind this received the Nobel Prize based on work undertaken at home for alleviating poverty. The fact that he was celebrated as a national hero differs sharply from the public and official treatment meted out to Pakistan`s Nobel laureate who was forced to do all his work abroad, in exile-like conditions, and never acknowledged as a son of Pakistan`s soil. Even in terms of diverse identities and religious tolerance, Pakistan can learn from the traditions of its former province.

In a list of 167 countries listed by the magazine in its `Index of Democracy`, Bangladesh moved up the table from being 91st in 2008 to 83rd in 2010, while Pakistan also moved up, but from 108th to 104th. And despite being a democracy in 2010 and one of the two democracies on this list, Pakistan is 10th in the `Failed States Index`, and is part of a group that includes Somalia, Chad, Sudan, Zimbabwe and, of course, Afghanistan. One can dispute such a caricature for being politically motivated, however, this does require far greater and honest reflection.

Bangladesh as East Pakistan was probably a greater disaster created by the British than the one left behind and still unresolved in Kashmir. This was a union which the West Pakistani elite eventually forced and exploited. It should not have been, and it took 25 years for the Bangladeshi people to free themselves from the worst forms of West Pakistani repression — cultural, linguistic, economic, political and, of course, military.

Clearly, Bangladesh is not the only country which offers possible lessons for Pakistan, and the former is not devoid of a whole host of afflictions typical of developing countries. The argument being emphasised here is one of relative progress and possibilities. Clearly, at the moment Bangladesh seems to offer more of either than does Pakistan. And rather than fantasise about becoming another Turkey or Malaysia, as Pakistan`s elite is so fond of doing, perhaps it would be instructive to look closer home, and at small initial steps rather than grand, unachievable schemes.
In many ironic ways, it is Bangladesh which has become Jinnah`s Pakistan — democratic, developmental, liberal, secular — while Pakistan has become his worst nightmare — intolerant, authoritarian, illiberal and fundamentalist.

The West Pakistani elite which lived off the resources of East Pakistan for 25 years and was happy to see the basket case East Pakistan become Bangladesh, needs to seriously come to terms with its continuing hubris and past. The least that the civilian and military Pakistani elite can do is to seek forgiveness for the crimes committed four decades ago, and to begin to learn how basket cases and failed states can become successful democratic, developmental and secular states.

The writer is a political economist.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/01/success-and-failure.html

[Michin Khel]

First of all I will respond to Luffy, the Pakistani nationalist who is anti-Afghan and anti-Bengali. I am Bengali and am a proud Bengali and my chosen monciker denotes that, I am Bengal_Tiger and not not something else. This Pakistani knows nothing about me or my background but simply put I am a proud Bengali. Notice how retard Luffy calls me an Indian, and then flips and calls me a Bengali. Luffy is an individual no one is sure about his real agenda on this forum and why he comes to cause disunity and make trouble, however he has boasted of his connections to the ISI, Pakistan's state terrorist organization many times. The sad truth of the matter is that an individual like Luffy would not be regarded as a Pashtun in Afghanistan by many if not most because of his nature.

To everyone else: I have given this character many chances and now he has exhausted them. I have decided to put him on my ignore list, deny him the attention that he seeks and not waste my time reading the lies and drivel that this prolific liar and Pakistani posts. I myself will keep on posting despite Luffy's hostility towards me and his eagerness to see me leave this forum.

I believe the forum will be better if interaction is avoided with him, and for instance Scimitar opened a thread where I made the mistake of responding to a post by this unbelievable hypocrite, Luffy. This was a mistake. However I come to Pashtun forums, to read and interact with Pashtuns and not Indians like Karachi or Pakistanis like Luffy, and realize that Luffy is not a Pashtun either so his views, like Indian "Karachi", are irrelevant, and will be placed on ignore.

I say this, so if anyone sees me not responding to any of Luffy's provocations or taunts they will realize why.

Thank you.

Luffy my final message to you before I place you on ignore is that you have been a troublemaker and nuisance in this forum, targeting people like Mahzala (who is doing a great job), GraveyardofEmpires and starting up false threads with lies such as how if KPK Pakhtuns go to certain cities of Afghanistan then this and that will happen, which were then refuted. Your attempts to cause division and hatred, and provoke people like me will fail if people simply ignore you. You bring nothing to the forum and no one including myself benefits from any of the nonsense that you write.

BYE.

I wont place you in ignore list as your posts are worthy of reading and contains interesting info.
And i dont want you to leave this forum.
Regards

[Michin Khel]

First of all I will respond to Luffy, the Pakistani nationalist who is anti-Afghan and anti-Bengali. I am Bengali and am a proud Bengali and my chosen monciker denotes that, I am Bengal_Tiger and not not something else. This Pakistani knows nothing about me or my background but simply put I am a proud Bengali. Notice how retard Luffy calls me an Indian, and then flips and calls me a Bengali. Luffy is an individual no one is sure about his real agenda on this forum and why he comes to cause disunity and make trouble, however he has boasted of his connections to the ISI, Pakistan's state terrorist organization many times. The sad truth of the matter is that an individual like Luffy would not be regarded as a Pashtun in Afghanistan by many if not most because of his nature.

To everyone else: I have given this character many chances and now he has exhausted them. I have decided to put him on my ignore list, deny him the attention that he seeks and not waste my time reading the lies and drivel that this prolific liar and Pakistani posts. I myself will keep on posting despite Luffy's hostility towards me and his eagerness to see me leave this forum.

I believe the forum will be better if interaction is avoided with him, and for instance Scimitar opened a thread where I made the mistake of responding to a post by this unbelievable hypocrite, Luffy. This was a mistake. However I come to Pashtun forums, to read and interact with Pashtuns and not Indians like Karachi or Pakistanis like Luffy, and realize that Luffy is not a Pashtun either so his views, like Indian "Karachi", are irrelevant, and will be placed on ignore.

I say this, so if anyone sees me not responding to any of Luffy's provocations or taunts they will realize why.

Thank you.

Luffy my final message to you before I place you on ignore is that you have been a troublemaker and nuisance in this forum, targeting people like Mahzala (who is doing a great job), GraveyardofEmpires and starting up false threads with lies such as how if KPK Pakhtuns go to certain cities of Afghanistan then this and that will happen, which were then refuted. Your attempts to cause division and hatred, and provoke people like me will fail if people simply ignore you. You bring nothing to the forum and no one including myself benefits from any of the nonsense that you write.

BYE.

I wont place you in ignore list as your posts are worthy of reading and contains interesting info.
And i dont want you to leave this forum.
Regards

[fzpz]

Luffy, only the children believe admiral BT's droppings. The guy is clearly obsessed. I think it's cute. More pictures and ramblings from him make this a lively place on the weekends when no one is here. It's obvious who he is and who he is not. At the end of the day he's irrelevant.

[pir_Rokhan]

It was a big faux pas. Most of the locals just came to see Imran Khan and the women who came from Islamabad. Many belonged to Punjab and FATA. The funniest thing was the song " Sindhi hum, Balochi hum...." to which most of the locals had feelings like "staso pa .....". Yes at the peak hour of the dharna the attendents never exceeded 5000. The event managers were disgusted.

I conveyed to one of the management guys [Shah Farman] that if you stop the drone attacks, who is going to get rid of the terrorists which Paki army has been harbouring in FATA for the past years. The dharna should be against the Pakistan military as all the drone attacks were executed with their permission [the base is in Balochistan].

[tor_khan]

Tormana is a joke, always altering articles to suit his bengali needs

what does being Bengali have to do with this at all? are you racist/ethnic bigot?

Do we need reminding people that in 2011 or whatever astral calendar you choose to follow that racism, with all its harmful intent, still lives amongst us.

You don't build up your own argument by knocking an entire race of people or implying that belonging to a particular race or nationality somehow makes them less human.

What's so great about Karachi anyway? Last I heard people are being bumped off quite frequently because they happen to belong to the "wrong" ethnic group.

[Toramana]

Imran Khan accepts taking directions from Shuja Pasha the ISI chief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uI7Kw4t44eY