Why don't the Taliban talk with other Afghans?

[ComradePashtun]

Are Taliban Jahilia?

[ghundal]

Khaana don't confuse yourself or others. The Safavids wanted to take your religion from you, whereas US couldn't give a damn. No state is immune from this cruelty, they have all done it. No state will ever get away from violence or executing violence. This is the reality of the world. You don't think US doesn't engage in real politik? Lol.

BTW name me an empire that didn't have vassal states? No, please kindly list these benevolent states to me?

read my words properly. I said there is nothing to gain from cooperation except ending up like Japan and Germany.

Yes, empires had vassal states. So do you think Pashtuns should be a part of a vassal state of the US? LOL never going to happen

[ghundal]

Are Taliban Jahilia?

They aren't supporting becoming a vassal state of the US, so NO

[BLS_1919v2.0]

read my words properly. I said there is nothing to gain from cooperation except ending up like Japan and Germany.

Yes, empires had vassal states. So do you think Pashtuns should be a part of a vassal state of the US? LOL never going to happen

I have read everything you have said. I am well aware of the situation, and no I don't want us to be vassals of anyone. However I am tired to death with this pointless rhetoric, and I would rather my people be they on any side of the spectrum opt for reconciliation and negotiations then fighting other people's wars. Only then can we dictate our politics to the world. If you don't even understand this novel and simple concept then go read some politics 101 books. These are such simple ideas, but you are content in talking in mini fantasies. This doesn't surprise me, because this is a cheerleader's mentality. Sitting on the sidelines and cheerleading others to go fight a war you deem to be so righteous. Khaana da gaz ao daa maidaan. Either put your money where your mouth is, or opt for an option that can win your people their sovereignty and at the same time slowly give them stability and a political backbone. Don't play with words and names like Shah Shuja or Mirwais Neeka.

Pashtuns have been in worse states than Japan and Germany combined. Those countries will survive fine without the US. If anything, they are held back. They have all the markers to be regional powers. Pashtuns have been abused, forced to fight each other, politically manipulated, their social structure destroyed for the past 30 years that this will take more than a generation to normalize.

[ghundal]

Taliban do not want to rule, and have said they will talk once the foreigners leave. You seem to put the burden on the Taliban.
So the US presence is the barrier to reconciliation. This much has become very clear. They do not want to rule. Their condition is a Sharia government, and no foreigners.

[ComradePashtun]

They aren't supporting becoming a vassal state of the US, so NO

No you are wrong, we are not vassal state of U.S. Unlike when during Taliban we had Paki Rupees as our principle currency and our phone lines were merged to NWFP code. You are BSter ghudaka.

No anecdotes but proper analyses are required from you, talk sense.

[ComradePashtun]

I have read everything you have said. I am well aware of the situation, and no I don't want us to be vassals of anyone. However I am tired to death with this pointless rhetoric, and I would rather my people be they on any side of the spectrum opt for reconciliation and negotiations then fighting other people's wars. Only then can we dictate our politics to the world. If you don't even understand this novel and simple concept then go read some politics 101 books. These are such simple ideas, but you are content in talking in mini fantasies. This doesn't surprise me, because this is a cheerleader's mentality. Sitting on the sidelines and cheerleading others to go fight a war you deem to be so righteous. Khaana da gaz ao daa maidaan. Either put your money where your mouth is, or opt for an option that can win your people their sovereignty and at the same time slowly give them stability and a political backbone. Don't play with words and names like Shah Shuja or Mirwais Neeka.

Pashtuns have been in worse states than Japan and Germany combined. Those countries will survive fine without the US. If anything, they are held back. They have all the markers to be regional powers. Pashtuns have been abused, forced to fight each other, politically manipulated, their social structure destroyed for the past 30 years that this will take more than a generation to normalize.

This will be one my best future quote and reference. How do you manage to write this, I wish could say it so aptly.

[ghundal]

No you are wrong, we are not vassal state of U.S. Unlike when during Taliban we had Paki Rupees as our principle currency and our phone lines were merged to NWFP code. You are BSter ghudaka.

No anecdotes but proper analyses are required from you, talk sense.

ok

If you support US presence, then Afghanistan will be a vassal state just like Japan and Germany, and that is not going to happen, not on the watch of the Afghan. This is analysis, not speculation.

Btw, I have to sleep.

Are you related to Azmal? You seem to think like him.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Manana wrora. Once in a while you get that moment of inspiration lol.

[ComradePashtun]

ghundaka,

No me and Azmal have many differnces and are completely two different people and there is no reation between us. In fact we come from differnt background, he is a royalist and has the royal connection and I am a normal commoner. Azmal is Mohamdzai and I somthing else-zai. I agree with BLS more than Azmal and he inspires me to think like him. I am his shaagird - he is my ustand.

I have lost many of my familly memebers against the Russians and I would not hesitate to pick a gun against the U.S. when I think I should. For me unity and reconciliation is my first priority.

[ghundal]

I have read everything you have said. I am well aware of the situation, and no I don't want us to be vassals of anyone. However I am tired to death with this pointless rhetoric, and I would rather my people be they on any side of the spectrum opt for reconciliation and negotiations then fighting other people's wars. Only then can we dictate our politics to the world. If you don't even understand this novel and simple concept then go read some politics 101 books. These are such simple ideas, but you are content in talking in mini fantasies. This doesn't surprise me, because this is a cheerleader's mentality. Sitting on the sidelines and cheerleading others to go fight a war you deem to be so righteous. Khaana da gaz ao daa maidaan. Either put your money where your mouth is, or opt for an option that can win your people their sovereignty and at the same time slowly give them stability and a political backbone. Don't play with words and names like Shah Shuja or Mirwais Neeka.

Pashtuns have been in worse states than Japan and Germany combined. Those countries will survive fine without the US. If anything, they are held back. They have all the markers to be regional powers. Pashtuns have been abused, forced to fight each other, politically manipulated, their social structure destroyed for the past 30 years that this will take more than a generation to normalize.

They were betrayed by sell outs like Najib, Shuja, Taraki, Karmal, and the list goes on. Daud Khan would be siding with Omar Hotak today despite the obvious differences.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

They were betrayed by sell outs like Najib, Shuja, Taraki, Karmal, and the list goes on. Daud Khan would be siding with Omar Hotak today despite the obvious differences.

How do you know that? Tarakai was not the same as Shah Shuja, nor was Karmal the same as the other communists. Even within the Communists there were deep rifts and disagreements. Again this is typical fantasies. Daud was the one whose policies led to more communist activities.

P.S. Manana Comrada....kho I think there is mutual lessons. I am learning a lot from you.

[ghundal]

I have read everything you have said. I am well aware of the situation, and no I don't want us to be vassals of anyone. However I am tired to death with this pointless rhetoric, and I would rather my people be they on any side of the spectrum opt for reconciliation and negotiations then fighting other people's wars. Only then can we dictate our politics to the world. If you don't even understand this novel and simple concept then go read some politics 101 books. These are such simple ideas, but you are content in talking in mini fantasies. This doesn't surprise me, because this is a cheerleader's mentality. Sitting on the sidelines and cheerleading others to go fight a war you deem to be so righteous. Khaana da gaz ao daa maidaan. Either put your money where your mouth is, or opt for an option that can win your people their sovereignty and at the same time slowly give them stability and a political backbone. Don't play with words and names like Shah Shuja or Mirwais Neeka.

Pashtuns have been in worse states than Japan and Germany combined. Those countries will survive fine without the US. If anything, they are held back. They have all the markers to be regional powers. Pashtuns have been abused, forced to fight each other, politically manipulated, their social structure destroyed for the past 30 years that this will take more than a generation to normalize.

Don't accuse me of playing with words when you yourself are doing it.

They were betrayed by sell outs like Najib, Shuja, Taraki, Karmal, and the list goes on. Daud Khan would be siding with Omar Hotak today despite the obvious differences. This is not playing with words. Since these names are bad reminders to what the alternative to Islam has brought, I guess you see it as playing with words. Until alternatives to Islamic rule bring peace, order, and freedom from foreigners, Islamic rule will remain the most attractive form of government- the reason Taliban influence has spread across Afghanistan. In this case, there will only be Islamic rule since all the other alternatives are linked with betrayal, treachery, and cowardice. Sell-out describes all previous movements.

Lets not disguise what this is really about. This is about Islamic rule which a few do not wish to be ruled by. However, when the alternative involves cooperating with foreigners, then there is no way of achieving your goal.

Keep it simple.

And as for cheerleaders, we are all technically cheerleaders right now in one way or another. This is a silly way of addressing a point that you can not make

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Don't accuse me of playing with words when you yourself are doing it.

They were betrayed by sell outs like Najib, Shuja, Taraki, Karmal, and the list goes on. Daud Khan would be siding with Omar Hotak today despite the obvious differences. This is not playing with words. Since these names are bad reminders to what the alternative to Islam has brought, I guess you see it as playing with words. Until alternatives to Islamic rule bring peace, order, and freedom from foreigners, Islamic rule will remain the most attractive form of government- the reason Taliban influence has spread across Afghanistan. In this case, there will only be Islamic rule since all the other alternatives are linked with betrayal, treachery, and cowardice. Sell-out describes all previous movements.

Lets not disguise what this is really about. This is about Islamic rule which a few do not wish to be ruled by. However, when the alternative involves cooperating with foreigners, then there is no way of achieving your goal.

Keep it simple.

And as for cheerleaders, we are all technically cheerleaders right now in one way or another. This is a silly way of addressing a point that you can not make

What am I saying, where did you take it?!! Zaan na ddazae khwand na kaee. If Afghans in reconciliation choose the islamic system, no one has the right to tell them otherwise. Agha wakht dae Amreeka ham dae ozzee, pakistan ao Iran ham.

Actually, no there is a difference. See one is discussion and coming to terms with reality. The other is cheering on for others to die for a war that one is too coward to face themselves. We are each answerable to these things. So if you are so gung-ho about it, then what are you doing screaming online? Like I said da gaz ao da maidan. If it is important for Pashtuns there to fight, then you are no better than them. Your blood isn't more valuable then theres. I would rather my people sit in jirga and come to terms. In that process no one can tell Afghans/Pakhtuns otherwise. That is called tact and in my opinion far more fair to our people then cheering online. Khaana warsha baaligh sarrae yaee toppak ra waakhla.

[ghundal]

How do you know that? Tarakai was not the same as Shah Shuja, nor was Karmal the same as the other communists. Even within the Communists there were deep rifts and disagreements. Again this is typical fantasies. Daud was the one whose policies led to more communist activities.

P.S. Manana Comrada....kho I think there is mutual lessons. I am learning a lot from you.

They brought the Russians in to massacre Afghans like the US is doing right now.

Is this not treachery? Certainly, this is not nationalism, and if cooperation with foreigners is all so-called nationalist can ever do, then no wonder why their prospects are so bad. No wonder why they lack credibility.

The heart of this matter is that all the movements whether they be the Communist, the ANP/PMAP, or the Kabul expats- well they all want others to fight their battles. Since this involves the bloodshed of their own people, their ideas will never hold ground, and what they want will remain a dream. They will have no serious hold on their people. This is where religious movements are able to hold more sway. Hence, the religious movements merge into also a nationalistic movements which we are seeing now.