Why don't the Taliban talk with other Afghans?

[ComradePashtun]

Why don't the Taliban agree to talk to majority of the Afghans and the government as well as denounce international terrorism so the war can be brought to an end.

It is a fact that the current war is not only between U.S. and Taliban the so called representers of all of Afghans but between the Taliban and the Afghan government which is also the main party to the conflict that comprises majority of Afghanistan, so by implcation this is a civil war amongst us, or who will guarantee that if the U.S. is no longer in Afghanistan there wouldn't be a civil war.

As long as we cannot end this civil-war amongst us we cannot expel the U.S.

Taliban should learn from Mutada-Al-Sadr of Iraq and learn politics, for war is an instrument of politics. If Afghans unite, against the collective will and desire of Afghans U.S. and foreigners cannot remain a day in Afghanistan.

Taliban should never surrender to any one, if they come to compromise with the government and if the U.S. insist on war, they will have the support of the majority of Afghanistan against the U.S. They need to take their people in to confidence first for an Afghan settlement internally, the rest is what history has already proven.

But can Taliban play politics as it wishes and desire and not have made themselves hostage to others?

[ghundal]

short answer: same reason why their forefathers did not speak to Shah Shuja and his group of British puppets

long answer: there is not a legitimate Afghan government to speak with. Talking to the current 'government' in Kabul is legitimizing what is not, especially in face of US/foreign presence. Talks of peace will only happen when US/foreigners leave.

If Karzai were to make good on his threat to defect, then this would change everything.

there is no civil war, only war against foreigners. The US presence is the barrier to talks and peace in Afghanistan.

[ComradePashtun]

No silly sentimental anecdotes.

Shah Shuja had no support amongst Afghans. Look accross the Afghan political spectrum and tell me if they support the current Afghan system and government of the Taliban. If anything Taliban are the root cause of Afghanistan's weak current weak state and occupation. We Afghans are really neutralising each other's strength and energy which we should be utilsing for the betterment of ourselves and against our enemy who ever they happened to be.

Why don't you Pakis rise against your own government and overthrow your government? Real Jihad shouldn't start in Pakistan?

[ComradePashtun]

What is your standard for legitimacy?

The current government has much much much broader legitimacy than the stone-age Taliban conquest ever had or will ever obtain even in their dream. This is a fully represented government and legitimated on the consensus of all Afghans. Karzai Saheb is our dearest dearest president and has the approval rate of confidence of over 72% Afghans. He is quite popular.

[ghundal]

No silly sentimental anecdotes.

Shah Shuja had no support amongst Afghans. Look accross the Afghan political spectrum and tell me if they support the current Afghan system and government of the Taliban. If anything Taliban are the root cause of Afghanistan's weak current weak state and occupation. We Afghans are really neutralising each other's strength and energy which we should be utilsing for the betterment of ourselves and against our enemy who ever they happened to be.

Why don't you Pakis rise against your own government and overthrow your government? Real Jihad shouldn't start in Pakistan?

Kabul politics (dominated by spineless agents of foreigners) is not Afghan/Pashtun politics. Mirwais neeka did not achieve his objective by kissing the behind of his enemies, but by burying them in the ground.

Your position is a Northern Alliance one. In principle, why should the Taliban speak when they have the upper hand? Does it make sense? Their main criteria is to wipe out the foreigners from their land, and wipe out their agents in Kabul who have been working hand in hand with the invaders. Withdrawal which is happening would not have been spoken about had it not been for Afghan resistance, but Afghanistan would have been the next state of the US.

What do the fraudsters in Kabul have to offer them except bribes (which they will not take)?

[ghundal]

What is your standard for legitimacy?

The current government has much much much broader legitimacy than the stone-age Taliban conquest ever had or will ever obtain even in their dream. This a fully represented and legitimated on the consensus of all Afghans. Karzai Saheb is our dearest dearest president and has the approval rate of confidence of over 72% Afghans. He is quite popular.

There is no legitimacy with foreign occupation. Everyone knows this. Karzai's wings have been clipped by Elkenberry (however that name is said). He is merely a face for a Northern Alliance dominated government. Even you know this. Karzai is against US interests which is good, but he has the ability now to defect, or at least separate completely from the US. he has enough global recognition to do this.

Also, please give me your evidence for the approval rating.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Kabul politics (dominated by spineless agents of foreigners) is not Afghan/Pashtun politics. Mirwais neeka did not achieve his objective by kissing the behind of his enemies, but by burying them in the ground.

Your position is a Northern Alliance one. In principle, why should the Taliban speak when they have the upper hand? Does it make sense? Their main criteria is to wipe out the foreigners from their land, and wipe out their agents in Kabul who have been working hand in hand with the invaders. Withdrawal which is happening would not have been spoken about had it not been for Afghan resistance, but Afghanistan would have been the next state of the US.

What do the fraudsters in Kabul have to offer them except bribes (which they will not take)?

You do understand that Mirwais Hotak did not initially directly attack the Safavids? If anything Mirwais Hotak played politics until an opportune moment arose and to his luck (and better judgment) the Safavids were on their decline.

[ComradePashtun]

Paki ghundala,

You naPaki Pathan should be the last one to talk about Mirwais Neeka. You are a slave.
Northern Alliance are Afghans and they are neautralised to a larger extend and continue to as they and the likes of Taliban can only flourish under war and instability.

We Afghan only look toward future, and bad past is we trying to burry for good. We aspire to be what we can be, and our country has a great potential re-claim it past glories through unity, development, peace and prosperity.

There is a new role and future waiting as we move ahead.

Indeed Taliban are free to decide what ever they may, Afghans have their resolve too.

[ghundal]

You are the one advocating slavery not me. I don't think you know who Mirwais neeka is, and nor do you know anything about his family. You should know that the Taliban do not want to rule. They only want the foreigners to leave. Go and read up on it. They have said that they will talk with the Afghan government once the US/nato leaves.

they do not want to rule

[ComradePashtun]

There is no legitimacy with foreign occupation. Everyone knows this. Karzai's wings have been clipped by Elkenberry (however that name is said). He is merely a face for a Northern Alliance dominated government. Even you know this. Karzai is against US interests which is good, but he has the ability now to defect, or at least separate completely from the US. he has enough global recognition to do this.

Also, please give me your evidence for the approval rating.

ghudala,

You are talking from the rear side. Obviously it shows how ignorant you are as a Pakistani who has never stepped into Afghanistan.

All Afghan are equally represented. I hope one day, true merit is based for service to our people and beautiful Afghanistan than ethnicity. We are on the right track and we are making this dream realised. Go to Afghanistan or watch some Afghan TV.

Pashtuns are fully represented in the government. I am looking forward for a Farsiwan president in future who teach you a better Pashtu than you teerrr peerrrr gheeerrr dirt.

[ghundal]

You do understand that Mirwais Hotak did not initially directly attack the Safavids? If anything Mirwais Hotak played politics until an opportune moment arose and to his luck (and better judgment) the Safavids were on their decline.

The Safavids were at least civil enemies where you could engage in this type of realpoltik. You could respect them even as enemies. They had a culture.

There is nothing to study or learn from the US. You just have to look at Japan and Germany. That it state slavery on several levels.

You can read US history to see what cooperation and treachery have in store. Native American tribes who cooperated, dont exist today. They can also be found on reserves drinking their lives away. They have mostly been wiped out.

Then you have the Vietnam and 2 Iraq wars to study these people.

[ComradePashtun]

You are the one advocating slavery not me. I don't think you know who Mirwais neeka is, and nor do you know anything about his family. You should know that the Taliban do not want to rule. They only want the foreigners to leave. Go and read up on it. They have said that they will talk with the Afghan government once the US/nato leaves.

they do not want to rule

Eh? Since when did Pakistani ghundak khan ghundal become a spekesperson for Taliban or would want to teach an Afghan about Taliban?

Yeah right, Mirwais Khan was where ghudak khan ghundal is from?

So why did you succumb to Panjabis? What are you going to do about it?

[ghundal]

ghudala,

You are talking from the rear side. Obviously it shows how ignorant you are as a Pakistani who has never stepped into Afghanistan.

All Afghan are equally represented. I hope one day, true merit is based for service to our people and beautiful Afghanistan than ethnicity. We are on the right track and we are making this dream realised. Go to Afghanistan or watch some Afghan TV.

Pashtuns are fully represented in the government. I am looking forward for a Farsiwan president in future who teach you a better Pashtu than you teerrr peerrrr gheeerrr dirt.

yes, I knew this has been your dreams all along. Minus all your whining, there is never legitimacy with occupation. If you knew so much about Afghanistan, and not just Kabul, you would know that majority of Afghans are against the US presence.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

The Safavids were at least civil enemies where you could engage in this type of realpoltik. You could respect them even as enemies. They had a culture.

There is nothing to study or learn from the US. You just have to look at Japan and Germany. That it state slavery on several levels.

You can read US history to see what cooperation and treachery have in store. Native American tribes who cooperated, dont exist today. They can also be found on reserves drinking their lives away. They have mostly been wiped out.

Then you have the Vietnam and 2 Iraq wars to study these people.

Khaana don't confuse yourself or others. The Safavids wanted to take your religion from you, whereas US couldn't give a damn. No state is immune from this cruelty, they have all done it. No state will ever get away from violence or executing violence. This is the reality of the world. You don't think US doesn't engage in real politik? Lol.

BTW name me an empire that didn't have vassal states? No, please kindly list these benevolent states to me?

[ghundal]

Eh? Since when did Pakistani ghundak khan ghundal become a spekesperson for Taliban or would want to teach an Afghan about Taliban?

Yeah right, Mirwais Khan was where ghudak khan ghundal is from?

So why did you succumb to Panjabis? What are you going to do about it?

what are you talking about? LOL