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    Islamabad: Pakistan's northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province's assembly bordering Afghanistan unanimously passed a resolution on Monday calling for an end to US drone attacks in the country's tribal areas.

    The resolution urged the federal government to summon the American ambassador to protest intrusions into Pakistani territory and demand a halt to the drone strikes.

    A political party, Tehreek-e-Insaaf of Imran Khan, has planned a two-day sit-in outside Peshawar, capital of the northwestern province, on Saturday and Sunday to block supply convoys ferrying goods to Afghanistan for Nato troops, in protest at drone raids.
    Several, tribal elders have said their people would join the protest by the party of former cricket-hero-turned politician, a strong critic of what he calls Pakistan government's sub-service to US and its agenda in the region.

    The Awami National Party (ANP), which Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, has expressed support to a US-sponsored peace process with Afghan Taliban.
    ANP president Asfandyar Wali Khan told the media that use of military means was no more an effective way of resolving political issues.

    Call for dialogue
    While backing a US-backed peace process in Afghanistan, the ANP chief welcomed the Pakistan-Afghanistan accord to take the dialogue process forward through a joint commission decided during Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's visit to Kabul three days ago.

    He said his party had always supported dialogue with ‘saner elements' among the Taliban for the sake of regional stability.

    The ANP leader criticised the US drone attacks, saying innocent tribesmen were also killed in these raids, which he said were counter-productive.
    US officials have reportedly ruled out a halt to drone attacks, following a meeting between chiefs of CIA and ISI in the US during which the issue was discussed.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakis...tacks-1.795738


    1. The ANP is calling for an end to the drone strikes. Now everyone knows they won't just stop because a few Pashtun nationalists told the US to stop. However this is clever politics by the ANP and timed well.

    2. They are calling for an end to military operations and dialogue with the Taliban, in other words an end to violence. What Pashtun doesn't want an end to violence and some peace? (ISI-traitors not included)

    In other words they are promoting Pashtun unity incuding everyone from the secular liberals (ANP) all the way to the conservative "Islamists", the Taliban.

    3. The ANP have been supporting Raza Gilani's Kabul initiative, whilst at the same time supporting the PPP by calling for a Saraiki province.

    Who benefits from a Saraiki province?

    The PPP.

    We can only speculate that some sort of agreement was reached behind the scenes by the ANP and the PPP, the same PPP that have now sent Gilani to Kabul to woo Pashtun leader Karzai.
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  • #2
    Thanks Bengal_Tiger for the comments. ANP leaders have become smarter in how to play different actors/players...mature politicians. The following person is one of the key policy setters for ANP.

    http://www.youtube.com/anppress

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    • #3
      that's exactly why they can't be trusted; they adorn whatever camouflage possible to exploit for the imperial agenda. Right now they realize they're losing credibility amongst Pashtuns so they're trying to put a reverse campaign while they originally encouraged Imperial collaboration.

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      • #4
        ANP Leaders are idiots. Name one smart thing that they have done.

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        • #5
          they're cronies that sold out their own people

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          • #6
            Originally posted by khushal View Post
            ANP Leaders are idiots. Name one smart thing that they have done.
            Get ready for a barrage of insults, lol. Despite the fact that you were the one that single handidly dispatched the roadrunner and pretty much dismantled his arguments, you are about to be called Paki and Panjabi lover etc.

            However, you and X speak truth and should stick to it. The issue is that ANP is beginning to see the Americans attempting to disengage or at least scale back the scope of their Helmand operations/and other attempts to stabilize southern Afghanistan. With this in mind, they understand retribution is coming their way, or at least they are set to be mitigated in the power equation. The may actually see that this war of attrition is going to settle in a new equation in Kabul.

            ANP, PPP, Afghan Mellat, etc is operate on simply party politics that work within the defunct system of 1 man, 1 vote... yet we all know that che da kalaay masharranau khwashaa um yau khwaa thaa shee, dha misaal, yau saraay, yau waowaath, manaa warnaa bay shakkaa larshee.

            When words and deeds do not match up on a 1:1 correlation, you basically operate within the post colonial slave mentality.

            As I have stated repeatedly, fresh blood would inject meritocracy within the system. Otherwise these parties in pakistan are all mirror images of each other, with a feudal preservation. Talented independent minded youth are excluded or at least marginalized to suit their stale mantra.
            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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            • #7
              Originally posted by khushal View Post
              ANP Leaders are idiots. Name one smart thing that they have done.
              khushal wror , my wror is saying the truth lol get ready now, hope you got your armour on lol.

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              • #8
                Barakzai wrora I have never changed my approach and understandings so long as I have been at this forum. I'm always open to correction and will amend my views if more credible evidence is presented. So far that hasn't been the case,

                When Toramana peddles his arguments these are attempts at emotional black mail tactics or he'll project false cliches based on errorneous premises. He thinks Pan-Islam is an Arab reaction to the West's s, even though Israel didn't exist when Pan-Islam began in the late 19th century...in Afghanistan. Or Saudi/Kuwaiti establishment corruption discredits Pan-Islam. Even though Pan Islamic movement sees all nation states of today as Imperial Stooges.

                He suffers from mentally colonized syndrome; where he follows the manufactured portrayals of Asian Politics according to the Doctrine of Imperialism.

                How can that be in service of Pashtuns at all?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  ANP Leaders are idiots. Name one smart thing that they have done.
                  nothing. what they have done is give empty words, and insult the very term pashtun nationalist. They have now made it stand for cowardice, opportunism, and all the other attributes that people avoid. According to them, Imran Khan is no good, but he is making moves while all they have been doing is justifying the killings of pashtuns with drones.
                  Last edited by Guest; 04-18-2011, 10:29 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kakargirl View Post
                    khushal wror , my wror is saying the truth lol get ready now, hope you got your armour on lol.
                    KakarKhora,
                    I think the nationalists have been beaten intellectually so much by Barakzai and Scimitar that they have vanished. I remember when I first joined this forum, they were so many nationalist here.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                      Get ready for a barrage of insults, lol. Despite the fact that you were the one that single handidly dispatched the roadrunner and pretty much dismantled his arguments, you are about to be called Paki and Panjabi lover etc.

                      However, you and X speak truth and should stick to it. The issue is that ANP is beginning to see the Americans attempting to disengage or at least scale back the scope of their Helmand operations/and other attempts to stabilize southern Afghanistan. With this in mind, they understand retribution is coming their way, or at least they are set to be mitigated in the power equation. The may actually see that this war of attrition is going to settle in a new equation in Kabul.

                      ANP, PPP, Afghan Mellat, etc is operate on simply party politics that work within the defunct system of 1 man, 1 vote... yet we all know that che da kalaay masharranau khwashaa um yau khwaa thaa shee, dha misaal, yau saraay, yau waowaath, manaa warnaa bay shakkaa larshee.

                      When words and deeds do not match up on a 1:1 correlation, you basically operate within the post colonial slave mentality.

                      As I have stated repeatedly, fresh blood would inject meritocracy within the system. Otherwise these parties in pakistan are all mirror images of each other, with a feudal preservation. Talented independent minded youth are excluded or at least marginalized to suit their stale mantra.
                      Unfortunately, there can be no effective answer to your Isamo-mania and the deap-seated distrust of Pashtun nationalism rooted in Ikhwan-injected ideolog no matter how much one makes one's reply objectve....


                      By the way, just as you are taking liberty with every one's character, including that of Bacha Khan, Abdus Samad Khan, etc. and don't even spare opponents grand-grand-grand-grand-maas, give us the "atta patta" of your connections in Pakistan...We have talked to ANP and PMAP activists back home in Waziristan, Islamabad, and Quetta and they are curious (as well as furious especially the PMAP wallas) to dig out the deeper links of your family in Pakistan....

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                      • #12
                        Deeper links=deep state. Some guy told me.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by khushal View Post
                          ANP Leaders are idiots. Name one smart thing that they have done.
                          I don't think as much as that caveman the one eyed Hadrath Mullah Omar and his misguided/mentally crippled followers....

                          Rest, the Punjabis very well know how and where to keep their chickens (be that Mullah Omar, Gulbuddin, or Haqqanis) and when to "make them up" for feast...Primitivism/archaism has never out-survived sophistication if history is to be any guide/lesson...The 300 million Arabs are an example, who can't stand to just a handful of jews with superior strategy and ways.
                          Last edited by Toramana; 04-18-2011, 11:26 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                            I don't think as much as that caveman the one eyed Hadrath Mullah Omar and his misguided/mentally crippled followers....
                            But you still havent name one thing

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                              Unfortunately, there can be no effective answer to your Isamo-mania and the deap-seated distrust of Pashtun nationalism rooted in Ikhwan-injected ideolog no matter how much one makes one's reply objectve....


                              By the way, just as you are taking liberty with every one's character, including that of Bacha Khan, Abdus Samad Khan, etc. and don't even spare opponents grand-grand-grand-grand-maas, give us the "atta patta" of your connections in Pakistan...We have talked to ANP and PMAP activists back home in Waziristan, Islamabad, and Quetta and they are curious (as well as furious especially the PMAP wallas) to dig out the deeper links of your family in Pakistan....
                              LOL, oh Toramana, I am glad to see that it takes that many legions of potential fans to deal with Lil Ole Me. I am thrilled to hear that we keep you on your toes. The old saying used to be, two heads are better than one. In your cases, it appears, a thousand and two heads are better than none?

                              Would you like my wife's families links or my own? Lol tell them to go to Pashtun abad Quetta and they can see some migrated uncles from my father's side per the Soviet invasion and the circumstances. Then tell them to take the Chaman past Spin Boldak and stop at Khodaydad Kalaay and they can meet some more family members there. Finally, they should pass Kandahar and between the city and sanjaraay is our ancestoral village.

                              My father in law is Ahmadzaay Wazir of the Zali Khel and his grandfather was one of the maliks to take on the British.


                              I am so very pleased that the ANP/PMAP zealots/commies/interventionists/cowards who cannot fight their own wars, are seeking me out. I have much more advice to give them. especially when it comes to them fighting their own wars instead of involving America.

                              I shall love to restress to them this gem:

                              "His desire for reunification with
                              Afghanistan’s Achakzai caused the Pakistani Government to believe that Haji Mohammed Khan could reunite the Pashtun territory in Afghanistan, which would remove a quarter of Pakistan. They prevented this by causing enmity within the tribe. Mehmood Khan wanted to succeed his father, Abdul Samad Khan, in the tribe’s leadership and with the help of ISI, he killed Haji Mohammed Khan and two of his sons in 1990 and declared himself as the new Achakzai leader. The Ghabizais are still a powerful tribe and control Pakistan’s Gulistan district.7"


                              http://www.tribalanalysiscenter.com/...ai%20Tribe.pdf

                              And then follow that up with this little gem regarding Bacha and his inability to follow through on promises:

                              "This situation continues to be the same, making Punjabis and Pukhtuns the two over-represented ethnic groups in the army.[52] In a political system that came to be dominated and later controlled by the army, this share was certainly going to favourably place Pukhtuns in the power hierarchy of the state and therefore, make them more inclined towards integration in the state rather than separation from it. The concentration of economic activity in the southern parts of Sindh and Punjab obliged Pukhtuns to look southwards rather than northwards (Afghanistan). Pukhtun investors, transporters and labourers have been increasingly moving towards the south for better investment, business and jobs."

                              "Even when Ghaffar Khan, the 'champion' of the downtrodden, was leading the party, it was not clear, as earlier mentioned, what exactly was the nationalists' plan for the future of Pukhtuns. The main issues that were raised were either the establishment of an independent state or a share in the existing one. Despite being a social reformer and peasant leader, Ghaffar Khan never favoured any radical social or agrarian reforms that would have broken the hold of the landowners and benefited the peasantry. In fact, the Congress ministry's action to strip the landed gentry of its privileges was not to his likings, as he thought it would antagonise the big khans.[57] His son, Wali Khan, has faithfully followed in his footsteps as far as the lack of a clear political plan and commitment to certain social and political programme are concerned. What he has not learned from his father, however, is the populism of Ghaffar Khan. Under Wali Khan, the party lost its populist aura and ended up becoming an elitist pressure group whose politics is to enter into or withdraw from one alliance or another to make or break a government."

                              "As stated above, Pukhtun nationalists have by now completely integrated into the state system of Pakistan and their main concern now is their place in the power hierarchy rather than their ethnicity. Ironically, the Pukhtuns of Pakistan have played a major role in the destruction of a state, Afghanistan, which, once was the most potent supporter of their nationalism.

                              Under the circumstances, it is not surprising that the ANP has become a pressure group, whose politics revolves around bargaining for ministerial portfolios and government permits for its leaders to set up factories."

                              Here is the author's university profile webpage that I dug up. Doesnt seem ISI affiliated to me... but those prone to see piryaan where none exist will do so regardless of how often their commentary defies reality.:

                              http://www.une.edu.au/staff/akhan.php

                              And finally, give em this kick in the ass about their hero Farhat Taj ANDERSEN:

                              Shane also presents a partial sketch of a recent Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy report on the views of 550 residents of the tribal areas where drone attacks occur, authored by anthropologist Farhat Taj -- who claims that professionals in FATA view the drone missiles as "liberators." A more careful look at the survey, however, reveals that the report's findings are so split down the middle as to be inconclusive.

                              When asked whether the drone attacks bring about "fear and terror in the common people," 45% of respondents answered in the affirmative. "Fear and terror" are powerful words. When respondents were asked whether they thought the drone strikes were "accurate in their strikes," 48% answered "No," and 42% believed the missiles increased anti-American sentiment in the tribal areas. 100 of those approached declined to answer. These results are at best inconclusive, but by no means provide a solid argument in favor of drone attacks.

                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wajiha..._b_389408.html


                              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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