Yee pakistan ko kya ho raha hain?

[emkhan]

so when will pakistan begin to act right or is it just going the wrong way in full speed'?

We have to get rid of the army generals, current politicians, beaurocrates. These all are handful tools for the western powers.

[graveyardofempires]

and how about Pakistan ? I think Pakistani society is becoming more westernize and secular.

bro even in western society or tv you wont see such gatya acts as these.

making these two girls slap eachother on the video ,other guy being proud of rape etc.

[emkhan]

Look these type of things are everywhere but the thing is that which media highlights it.
There are so ugly things being done in the west but they are no shown on the tv. Even you would not be able to know about it if the media would not show it. So it is all about media.
Thats why i myself consider the media as the most dangerous tool for Islamic values and Pukhtun values... not only tv media but all.

[graveyardofempires]

We have to get rid of the army generals, current politicians, beaurocrates. These all are handful tools for the western powers.

and how will that happen?
remember turkey military was also "the defenders of kamalism" but when Erdogan took over they first got scared and wanted to do a coup on him.

Now the turkish military is more neutral.
current pakistani politicians are nothing more that some jagirdhar,zameendhar or someone whos ancesters served the british raj.common people are sheep led to the slaughterhouse.

the rest is just reshwathkhorey(bribing) all over the place,even chawkidhar will take reshwath.

[emkhan]

and how will that happen?
remember turkey military was also "the defenders of kamalism" but when Erdogan took over they first got scared and wanted to do a coup on him.

Now the turkish military is more neutral.
current pakistani politicians are nothing more that some jagirdhar,zameendhar or someone whos ancesters served the british raj.common people are sheep led to the slaughterhouse.

the rest is just reshwathkhorey(bribing) all over the place,even chawkidhar will take reshwath.

Turks took 100 years to reach this single ray of Islam. The rest 10000 portion is darkness. So who knows how long will it take for the rest of the 9999 rays to be lighten up.
In Pakistan, only an Islamic revolution can work but you know revolution comes with thousands of sacrifices.
at the moment it seems very difficult because the society is too much divided into religious and secular factions and then inter religious differences and then inter secularism differences and then ethnic differences.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The problem with Pakistan is that it is a British-creation and the British deliberately manufactured to make sure it would fail.

1. They created a corrupt feudal elite to pauperize the rural peasantry and cause social instability and prevent real growth and progress.

2. They left this feudal elite in charge alongside British-trained officers such as Ayub Khan, Tikka Khan, Niazi all of whom served for the British Raj.

3. In 1971 the feudal-military elite made sure that a man from humble beginnings, Mujib did not become leader and work with leftist leaders in West Pakistan to dismantle feudalism. "East Pakistan" (Bangladesh) had outlawed feudalism in 1950.

This feudal elite are corrupt and do not want real economic growth. With economic growth and the subsequent urbanization, there would have been the rise of a real pan-Pakistani identity (which to this day does not exist, e.g. in Karachi where people are Mohajir, Pashtun, Balochi first) and so forth. However this would ultimately mean the end of feudalism.

Anyway the rural areas of Pakistan are ultra-conservative and totally removed from the urban middle-class western wannabes in the videos above.

2. Thus Pakistan as a state is fundamentally flawed and will not be able to flourish in the long term. All the problems of Pakistan that we see are not recent but have existed for decades, e.g. religious extremism, ethnic conflict (including the ethnic conflict based on racism and feelings of racial superiority/inferiority, Punjabis hold dark-skinned Indian origin Mohajirs in contempt as both groups did to Bengalis) and so on.

In Afghanistan however there is real organic and natural pan-Afghanistan pride in being an Afghanistani, which is not artificial or state-sponsored. Iran has something similar with different ethnic groups being proud of a pan-Iranian identity and culture due to feeling Iran represents civilization and a proud history. However even Iran has not been successful as Afghanistan, since Iran's Kurds, Balochis and Arabs all have separatist aspirations, whilst an Azeri-Persian Shia regime rules.

Anyway history has shown that the people west of the Indus have always ultimately ruled those east of it (Punjabis and Sindhis) and in the future I can see a major re-configuration of borders and power with that taking place once again.

I, as a Muslim Bengali, will be happy to see that.

[Karachi]

why would non pakistanis care about what is happening in pakistan? also these shows are focussing on maybe 1% of pakistanis

[Karachi]

The problem with Pakistan is that it is a British-creation and the British deliberately manufactured to make sure it would fail.

1. They created a corrupt feudal elite to pauperize the rural peasantry and cause social instability and prevent real growth and progress.

2. They left this feudal elite in charge alongside British-trained officers such as Ayub Khan, Tikka Khan, Niazi all of whom served for the British Raj.

3. In 1971 the feudal-military elite made sure that a man from humble beginnings, Mujib did not become leader and work with leftist leaders in West Pakistan to dismantle feudalism. "East Pakistan" (Bangladesh) had outlawed feudalism in 1950.

This feudal elite are corrupt and do not want real economic growth. With economic growth and the subsequent urbanization, there would have been the rise of a real pan-Pakistani identity (which to this day does not exist, e.g. in Karachi where people are Mohajir, Pashtun, Balochi first) and so forth. However this would ultimately mean the end of feudalism.

Anyway the rural areas of Pakistan are ultra-conservative and totally removed from the urban middle-class western wannabes in the videos above.

2. Thus Pakistan as a state is fundamentally flawed and will not be able to flourish in the long term. All the problems of Pakistan that we see are not recent but have existed for decades, e.g. religious extremism, ethnic conflict (including the ethnic conflict based on racism and feelings of racial superiority/inferiority, Punjabis hold dark-skinned Indian origin Mohajirs in contempt as both groups did to Bengalis) and so on.

In Afghanistan however there is real organic and natural pan-Afghanistan pride in being an Afghanistani, which is not artificial or state-sponsored. Iran has something similar with different ethnic groups being proud of a pan-Iranian identity and culture due to feeling Iran represents civilization and a proud history. However even Iran has not been successful as Afghanistan, since Iran's Kurds, Balochis and Arabs all have separatist aspirations, whilst an Azeri-Persian Shia regime rules.

Anyway history has shown that the people west of the Indus have always ultimately ruled those east of it (Punjabis and Sindhis) and in the future I can see a major re-configuration of borders and power with that taking place once again.

I, as a Muslim Bengali, will be happy to see that.

hahahha what a joke, go worry about Burma, you are more close to them then you are too pakistanis. People who share nothing with pakistan, shouldn't really care what is happening in the country

[graveyardofempires]

hahahha what a joke, go worry about Burma, you are more close to them then you are too pakistanis. People who share nothing with pakistan, shouldn't really care what is happening in the country

your comment is so typical.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Graveyarda, please ignore this troll.

He is angry when I issued a warning to him for calling for the expulsion of Afghans from "Pakistan" and has been bitter ever since.

1. He sent me an abusive message in private which has led me to putting him on my ignore list.

2. Despite this he has developed an obsession with me, reading my every post, following me around the forum, attacking me in multiple threads, insulting my people racially and so forth.

In short he is making a complete fool out of himself.

It is clear for whatever reason I have got to him. I think that me calling for him not to say Afghans should be kicked out of Afghanistan has infuriated this sad and hate-filled individual.

It is characters like this who show us to what sad state the state known as "Pakistan" (land of the pure) has become, with even this individual saying he is thankful he is Canadian.

May Allah protect Muslims and everyone else from hate-filled individuals who call for innocent men, women and children to be expelled. May Allah protect everyone from the evil of Pakistan.

Ameen.

[Espresso]

hahahha what a joke, go worry about Burma, you are more close to them then you are too pakistanis. People who share nothing with pakistan, shouldn't really care what is happening in the country

& You guys should not lecture the world about Isamic values either

trust me i have much more respect for afghanistan i mean just look how strong their family values are even though they are in a political turmoil for so long even then it is said that an afghan lady (the real blonde) is like fighting a pahar (mountain) for behayaee (shameless stuff) to get her to let in her house being while much much more beautiful then any indo-pak-bengali ladies yet their adab (manners) are so respectful that even the urbanized ones know the word decency when in public while on the other hand you have a much much more less beautiful & the artificial blonde (thanks' to hair dye colours) & are world famous for being Hot & Fast while everybody while on the other hand are upto do a DNA test on muslims for character lecturing of muslim values & Islam says a' lot about their nature now as for india it is open says it too Bangladesh is open says it too you get what you see Bad yes we are but "Hypocrite" no we are "NOT"

[Bengal_Tiger]

This "Karachi", troll has an obsession with me. He keeps on targeting me, when logically it is graveyard who actually started the thread and posted the videos he should be more angry with, rather than me who gives a calm, thoughtful analysis of the pathetic state of his homeland.

Borgza, well said, though Bengali girls are not that fast. Nor do we have transexuals presenting TV shows as in Pakistan or well-known sex parties and orgies as in Lahore, Karachi and "Islamabad"

[graveyardofempires]

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why should he be angry with me?

[Bengal_Tiger]

He shouldn't.

Brother, my point is this. I am not the one who starts the thread but yet he comes on here solely to attack me. I merely make a comment about the socio-economics of the situation but yet on this thread and other threads all he does is target me.

He also posted on my wall. I am getting sick of his obsession with me.