dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOOK. MWMN, please stop this topic otherwise you are providing them opportunity to keep on this anti afghan rant. I told you they won't spare any person around whom or around whose thinking the people of afghanistan could unite. They only tolerate Paki/Punjaabi puppets.

Not true. I agree with your sentiment should the people of FATA and the KP proper view themselvs as occupied and revolt. I have no ill will to those folks that hit the Pakistani installations in retaliation for drones, occupation of FATA, and mischeif mongering. You and others have been irked by this proposition of mine... why is it so hard to grasp that simple point that the people of KP will determine its destiny? I have clearly been proud to report the polling showing southern Afghan Pashtuns as ready, willing, and able in a sizable number block to unite with their brethren and break off from the northern reaches.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/19/s...-nato-invaded/

"The poll also showed majority support in Southern Afghanistan for secession and the creation of an independent Pashtunistan (potentially including some of Pakistan’s tribal regions), and that 40 percent of the population believed NATO was occupying Afghanistan as part of a goal to destroy Islam."

Once I see similar data emanating from KP with associated action, I shall be a more avid well wisher. I refuse to accept neoconesque style ramblings of how the KP mainlanders will open their arms to an Afghan army marching over teh Khybar pass ready to take back their land and throw flowers and chocolates at them during the supposedly bloodless procession and marc to attock.

[khyaal]

"Patriotism is the last refuge upon which a scoundrel clings" - Samuel Johnson.

Ethnocentrism is what keeps people divided; it's just a way to use people of a certain ethnicity and manipulate them to do bad things. Nazi Germany is a perfect example.

Afghan is a historic nation unlike Pakistan which is blatant creation of the British by seizing the land of Baloch and Pashtun/afghan nation who were not indians.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

But Najib wanted to maintain the carvings of British Imperialists on some level.


Please stop looking for excuses to validate najib; I don't do it for the Taliban or Mujahideen.

Hey, at least I am consistent. Try to understand my reasoning.

The system could not have been changed in his time. Heck, it can't even be changed right now. The New World Order can only happen with Divine help. Until then, try to be peaceful wherever you live. However, it will be hard with the status quo, i know. but there is not alternative. You can't fight cruise missiles with a bow and arrow.

[ScimitarXEdge]

LOL. And what about pakistan's economy when they butchered 3 million Bengalis to keep their hegemony by usurping their land and rights? USSR could do the same but it didn't.

Who said I defend Pakistan?

You're making a false dichotomy ...Anti Najib =/= pro Pakistan

that's absurd. USSR basically was trying to do the same. How else does a country militarily send it's personell into a country not their own unless they felt entitled to it?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Hey, at least I am consistent. Try to understand my reasoning.

The system could not have been changed in his time. Heck, it can't even be changed right now. The New World Order can only happen with Divine help. Until then, try to be peaceful wherever you live. However, it will be hard with the status quo.

Once again, easily said from a perch. However, as I noted the Wazir and the Kochi and the Ahmadzai Ghilzaay would disagree per the defensive doctrine theologically. As I also stated, its human nature to fight what one views as occupation. It happens in Latin America, it happened here in the US with the native Americans and subsequently the colonies, and many other places. To ask a human to idly sit by while someone who speaks a different language, holds different religious ideologies, seeks to impose a secular doctrine, and is on his land (which is as dear as one's mother nearly back home) makes no biological or historical sense. Only Cyrus the Persian was able to establish such an order within his realm and even he faced insurrection. As an example, take the reaction of the powerful American empire when a Dubai company (simply a piddly little company) was going to potentially manage some boating/port issues. A huge backlash occurred.... because Americans view the Arabs as "the other." Take also a look at the American distate towards Mexican immigration... its becoming a huge socioeconomic issue here. You are basically asking the Afghan villager to ignore his humanity.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

There was no such word as watan during the time of Muhammad(saw); the word they used as Balad, this is forged hadith.

There is a huge debate over this. However, recently some non-Ahmadi scholars are of the view that it is authentic.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hey, at least I am consistent. Try to understand my reasoning.

The system could not have been changed in his time. Heck, it can't even be changed right now. The New World Order can only happen with Divine help. Until then, try to be peaceful wherever you live. However, it will be hard with the status quo, i know. but there is not alternative. You can't fight cruise missiles with a bow and arrow.

Consistent? You keep swerving with different justifications for Najib, first you say he was a good leader, then you admit he was a criminal, but that's what made him good. You keep changing things to make Najib appear valid.

the was a murdering evil person, so were Massoud , Hekmatyar and and the rest. Najib was just the worst.


Allah is sending Najib to Jahanam.

[khyaal]

[QUOTE=BarakzaiAbdali;389818]Not true. I agree with your sentiment should the people of FATA and the KP proper view themselvs as occupied and revolt. I have no ill will to those folks that hit the Pakistani installations in retaliation for drones, occupation of FATA, and mischeif mongering. You and others have been irked by this proposition of mine... why is it so hard to grasp that simple point that the people of KP will determine its destiny? I have clearly been proud to report the polling showing southern Afghan Pashtuns as ready, willing, and able in a sizable number block to unite with their brethren and break off from the northern reaches.

How could they determine their destiny when they are under Punjabi occupation? let them have an opportunity of neutral rule and you will see what they decide.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/19/s...-nato-invaded/

"The poll also showed majority support in Southern Afghanistan for secession and the creation of an independent Pashtunistan (potentially including some of Pakistan’s tribal regions), and that 40 percent of the population believed NATO was occupying Afghanistan as part of a goal to destroy Islam."

Once I see similar data emanating from KP with associated action, I shall be a more avid well wisher. I refuse to accept neoconesque style ramblings of how the KP mainlanders will open their arms to an Afghan army marching over teh Khybar pass ready to take back their land and throw flowers and chocolates at them during the supposedly bloodless procession and marc to attock.

These anti war groups don't know about the real situation afghan nation is facing. Punjab is lirking for any opportunity to take control of afghan land just as we saw during Taliban puppet regime when it was being controlled from GHQ Rawalpindi.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Once again, easily said from a perch. However, as I noted the Wazir and the Kochi and the Ahmadzai Ghilzaay would disagree per the defensive doctrine theologically.

That is why it is not easy to be a Muslim. It is hard to be patient. But there is no alternative. Our people are not with times. It is in the hands of the of the enemies of Islam the power of today's might.

[ScimitarXEdge]

There is a huge debate over this. However, recently some non-Ahmadi scholars are of the view that it is authentic.

Yeah but the majority opinion is it's forged. Authentic Hadith please.

In fact, the hadith was forged by Arab Nationalists; LOL

[khyaal]

Morality sides with Truth not ethnic pride wanting to rewrite history in it's favor.

LOL. Like Mutali-a-Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Consistent? You keep swerving with different justifications for Najib, first you say he was a good leader, then you admit he was a criminal, but that's what made him good. You keep changing things to make Najib appear valid.

the was a murdering evil person, so were Massoud , Hekmatyar and and the rest. Najib was just the worst.


Allah is sending Najib to Jahanam.

If you read the first post i made. I agreed with him being evil, but he was made to look like an angel by the Mujahideen. So, I am still consistent. You just don't want to see my points. It's ok, if I was not an Ahmadi you would look at my posts differently.

The reason why you think that he was worst is because he was not a Muslim. Again, don't mix politics and religion. The Muslim leaders should all be sent straight to Jahannam, they used Islam for their dirty work.

[ScimitarXEdge]

[QUOTE=khyaal;389827]

Not true. I agree with your sentiment should the people of FATA and the KP proper view themselvs as occupied and revolt. I have no ill will to those folks that hit the Pakistani installations in retaliation for drones, occupation of FATA, and mischeif mongering. You and others have been irked by this proposition of mine... why is it so hard to grasp that simple point that the people of KP will determine its destiny? I have clearly been proud to report the polling showing southern Afghan Pashtuns as ready, willing, and able in a sizable number block to unite with their brethren and break off from the northern reaches.

These anti war groups don't know about the real situation afghan nation is facing. Punjab is lirking for any opportunity to take control of afghan land just as we saw during Taliban puppet regime when it was being controlled from GHQ Rawalpindi.

they have the best resources than the average Afghan Nationalist who just goes by what their uncles say in the hujra. I would think they're better informed

Punjab is just an extenstion of the U.S. which is an Extension of European Imperialism. You need to go further down the chain of command to nip this is the bud.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

[QUOTE=khyaal;389827]

Not true. I agree with your sentiment should the people of FATA and the KP proper view themselvs as occupied and revolt. I have no ill will to those folks that hit the Pakistani installations in retaliation for drones, occupation of FATA, and mischeif mongering. You and others have been irked by this proposition of mine... why is it so hard to grasp that simple point that the people of KP will determine its destiny? I have clearly been proud to report the polling showing southern Afghan Pashtuns as ready, willing, and able in a sizable number block to unite with their brethren and break off from the northern reaches.

These anti war groups don't know about the real situation afghan nation is facing. Punjab is lirking for any opportunity to take control of afghan land just as we saw during Taliban puppet regime when it was being controlled from GHQ Rawalpindi.

^ has nothing to do with the fate of KP. I have no doubt that Pakistan is seeking to restablish and sustain strategic depth and Iran, Indian, Russia etc are also playing their own games.

[ScimitarXEdge]

If you read the first post i made. I agreed with him being evil, but he was made to look like an angel by the Mujahideen. So, I am still consistent. You just don't want to see my points. It's ok, if I was not an Ahmadi you would look at my posts differently.

If that's the case then why I am I not agreeing with most people who are supporting Najib, who are not Qadiyani

please dont call yourself Ahmadi, have some respect for Nabi(saw)'s name.