Security Issues in Pakistan

[pir_Rokhan]

If the 75% of pakistani pashtuns dont believe in pakistan than why is it that the movement for Loy pashtunistan failed.

The disbelief in Pakistanism does not necessarily prove that they would believe in Pashtunistan. However with the passage of time even the 25 percent is realising that their so called freedom in Pakistan is fake [even a bureaucrat like Roedad Khan knows it. Refer to his book “A dream gone soar"] and their so called muslim brothers would love to kill them to maintain their empire while at the same time asking them to do more for Pakistan [Punjab].

The 75 percent Pashtuns who do not believe in Pakistan believe in a free state of their own unconsciously. Due to lack of political consciousness and I would blame ANP for their criminal negligence about teaching and training the Pashtun nation about their national goals instead of becoming a part and parcel of Punjabised Pakistan and accepting the role of a slave.
It is a good omen that Wali Khan also realised this fact in one of his last speeches at Bacha Khan Markaz Peshawar. Another good news is that PKMAP is a puritan Pashtun party which believes in the salvation of Pashtun temporarily in a separate province made of current KP, FATA, Attock, Mianwali and Pashtun Belt of Baluchistan with provincial autonomy and equal and proportionate opportunities in governance at the central level. In case this does not get worked out then Pashtunistan is a feasible option due to the expiration of Durand line treaty in early nineties. This is a bitter fact however that the ultimate solution, in my opinion, to all the woes and ills of Pashtun nation is to unite with their integral motherland in the form of Loy Afghanistan however this dream will take some time on historic timeline scale to get realized.

It is however important to note that Pakistan due to its own policies and state structure has least probability to survive and other nations even might not have to struggle for their freedom as such. The very intrinsic state nomenclature is weak and people in Pakistan are still confused as to which route they need to follow in order to survive and then progress.

[graveyardofempires]

ya Allah de pakistan mazluma khalek pe khair larey aw zalema leadaran aw de khalko dushmanan taba kee.

[pir_Rokhan]

Bengali chawal have you tried posting your pathetic propaganda on pakistani forums?

Luffy
BT is your antithesis. You are running after a mirage and such sincere efforts like that of BT might save your life. Dont think that your proclaimed acquaintances in the agencies or elsewhere would save you. They are using you and a lot of other Pashtuns as tissue paper.

Dont take it personal . No offence intended.

[pir_Rokhan]

ya Allah de pakistan mazluma khalek pe khair larey aw zalema leadaran aw de khalko dushmanan taba kee.

Da ke zama pa dua kegee

rabb dey pora kree da mayano armanoona

[graveyardofempires]

Da ke zama pa dua kegee

rabb dey pora kree da mayano armanoona

Ameen

[Michin Khel]

Luffy
BT is your antithesis. You are running after a mirage and such sincere efforts like that of BT might save your life. Dont think that your proclaimed acquaintances in the agencies or elsewhere would save you. They are using you and a lot of other Pashtuns as tissue paper.

Dont take it personal . No offence intended.

He is spreading hate against a particular ethnicity, as a human i am disgusted by it.

[pir_Rokhan]

I think its your wrong impression. He simply talks about the facts and figures.
Even a person with low IQ understands that "No ethnicity in the world is absolutely bad or good".
If someone talks about an ethncity; like in case of Pashtuns, if we talk about Punjabis, we mean the POWER ELITE OF PUNJAB. We sympathise with the common poor , illiterate and lower middle class Punjabi who is getting exploited by the "Jeeway jeeway Pakistan syndrome" and is made to feel happy about it too through propaganda.

[Michin Khel]

well he has attacked character of punjabis in many of his posts, i dont think his hate is limited to punjabi elites. I would say, even a person with low IQ can feel his hate for all punjabis. Some thing is wrong with him.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Luffy is a well-known Bengali hater who hates my mere presence on this forum, though I was invited here (and did not just merely sign up).

1. I am a moderator on Khyberwatch, and Khyberwatch has never become a forum for exclusive Punjabi-bashing, nor did I post anti-Pakistan threads.

2. I have not started anti-Pakistani threads on this forum, because there is no need to. Also I am a person who strongly believes in the importance of dignity and honour therefore me starting anti-Pakistani threads here regularly would be misconstrued as me opportunistically taking advantage of a receptive audience to peddle a certain agenda.

Rather I comment on the existing Pakistan-related threads there are, and have recently resumed posting when a well-know Punjabi cyber-troll insulted my people and basically called us traitors due to the 1971 war.

3. The article which I posted above was perfectly related to the issue and thread "security" in Pakistan, and was from Pakistani sources.

I then posted some analysis.

So this is promoting hatred of Punjabis according to Luffy? The same individual who boasts about his ISI connections. The ISI are not gods or divine entities, all of us have a direct connection to our creator and if He accepts our du'as, then He can punish even the most powerful including the super omnipotent ISI-terrorist organization of Luffy.

4. The truth is I am different to most Bengalis and I actually do have Pakhtoon blood and so do my cousins and we tend to be quite aggressive and fiery. Bengalis in general are a calm, placid race and in essence have no great hatred of Pakistanis/Punjabis, mainly resentment at their racism. Other than that we defeated them, and expelled them from our country and we are focusing on attaining 10% economic growth in a few years and a modern digital economy.

However Punjabis, Hindustanis and Punjabized-"Pathans" are quite different to the more placid and quieter Bengalis and hate us far more than we hate them. They teach their children that we are inferior "maachli" fish-eaters, that we are "gaddars" and teach their children to hate us. On some Pakistani forums they openly gloat about the 1971 genocide and some say more should have been killed.

Nearly every Bengali I know in the UK has experienced some form of racism from Pakistanis/Punjabis. However this hatred and racism from Pakistanis is one of the contributory factors to their demise as Allah punishes the evil and wicked.

On the internet, whenever a Bangladeshi starts a military-related youtube video about Bangladesh we would always have Pakistani kids coming to insult and abuse us. However no Bangladeshi would even bother commenting on a Pakistani military video.

Luffy is a hate-filled racist individual who toys with people on this forum for entertainment and deliberately seeks to provoke and makes threats of mass expulsion of Muslim Afghan refugees. In short he is perfect ISI material. I merely post an article relevant to the thread and some calm, fact-based analysis then he starts to insult me.

However the best way to deal with individuals with Luffy who proudly boast of their ISI-terrorist connections is to remain calm and not react to their attempts to provoke, insult and belittle.

[Michin Khel]

When your country achieved independence from pakistan, then your connection and story with punjabis stops right at that time. When you are no longer in pakistan, then there is no need of of still chasing punjabis.
And i am a student not some ISI agent. there are many pashtuns in army and ISI so its natural i would know some of them.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Unfortunately my ISI-terrorist supporter friend, the connection with Punjabis does not stop there. Pakistan to this day makes trouble for us in Bangladesh including:

- Support for Jamat i Islami to promote Pakistani influence in Bangladesh.

- Support for radical militants e.g. there were Lashkar i Taiba operatives in Bangladesh who were active.

- Promotes hate literature and brainwashing against Bangladesh including the likes of Zaid Hamid who promotes hatred of Bangladesh and calls us "traitors".

- It was your fellow Punjabi, "Roadrunner" who called my people backstabbers which prompted me to resume posting here and defend my people against this racist.

We are also owed money from Pakistan because after the war we inherited the debts of the pre-71 Pakistan but not the assets. This was after they had been stealing us for years, when we were the net exporter and they took our money to fund West Pakistani cities, then start an army offensive against us after we had followed democracy and participated in elections, murder our people and then label us as "traitors", then make sure we had to pay the debts of the pre-71 Pakistan.

Defensive Punjabis such as you who get ultra-defensive about Pakistan and your Punjabi race with your dishonest and mocking nature are examples of why your state has oppressed and killed for decades and is on its road to collapse.

If you are not a Punjabi merely ignore my posts about Punjabis, refute them with facts but do not launch personal attacks against me. If you are a Punjabi, which I think you are, then remember traitor we defeated you in 1971 and your evil and oppression against my Muslim brothers in Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan and Sindh will end insha'Allah.

[Michin Khel]

I am not the type who consider bengalis as traitors, i support bengali independence movement and condemn atrocities of pakistan army against bengalis.
And if you think that by calling me punjabi, i would feel insulted then you are wrong...they are also humans like me.

its simple , i cant digest your hateful posts...not only you, i criticize every member who preach hate

[Bengal_Tiger]

Posting an article from a Pakistani newspaper containing statistics according to the Pakistani government is "hatred"?

As for you supporting the Bengali liberation movement, it is well-known in this forum that you are a habitual liar and change stances, as essentially this forum is just entertainment, a "time-pass" for you to relieve boredom. You are clearly anti-Bengali and hate our nation and our independence as evident in many previous posts.

Tough luck, we defeated you and are free.

I am also free to post on this forum providing I observe rules, so do not try and do a Maseed on me - your fellow Pakistani - and try to stop me from posting here.

I am just another poster, other posters are "humans like me".

By the way I do not call for any type of action against Punjabis.

- I do not call for military action.
- I do not call for sanctions.
- I do not call for mass expulsions of Punjabis.

You have called for all of the above, in some way even indirectly against Afghans, my hate-filled ISI-terrorist supporter friend.

Maybe you should clean the hatred inside you and your ISI friends' hearts before condemning others.

[asif86]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In case this does not get worked out then Pashtunistan is a feasible option due to the [B]expiration of Durand line treaty in early nineties.

Can you point anything in the treaty which gave time limit for durrand treaty.
Daud khan himself didnt beleive the 100 year time limit.

[Nick]

If the 75% of pakistani pashtuns dont believe in pakistan than why is it that the movement for Loy pashtunistan failed.

Brother Asif, I respect you as a Punjabi Muslim brother not as a “Pakistani brother”. I hope my anti-Pakistani sentiment does not come as exculpation for rejecting my views. I am well known for being anti-Pakistan and I do take pride for my witlessness towards pro-Pakistanis, but I am not an anti-Muslim, I would of support Pakistan in every way if the state of Pakistan was truly created for the goodness of Muslim brotherhood.


Now let’s talk about your comments, not that it was too harsh but rather too soft, as well as a very weak argument. You simply ignored our political views in the above threads, and decided to reject us based on your personal conception and false Pakistani propaganda.


Ok let’s assume you are right and we are wrong. In the same context may I place this argument of yours to be true in other Islamic and non-Islamic world/nations? Ok let’s consider this Palestine where 80% of the Palestinians believe Israel should not exist, that Israel has no right occupying Palestine, and they cannot live under Israeli occupation, and they deserve their own free nation. Well that leaves us with 20% I guess those thousands of Palestinians who works for Israel or under Israeli influence can’t blame them they work as Palestinian policemen, Government affairs, administrations, business etc. Now because of 20% does it mean movement for free Palestine also failed?


Welcome to the world of Politics.




The Movement of Loy Pashtunistan has not failed but rather has been pushed out of pakistani Media, as well as the western pro-Pakistani allies. On the ground its there you be suprised to know how many of them don't really care about anything but Islam and if anything else it would be Pashtun unity, not to disunite with Pashtuns and be united with Punjabistan. This is the reality on the ground.


3 years ago I was shocked when I went Afghanistan. What we see in Media is not same on the ground. On my 2nd day I realized how powerful the Taliban were, we were sitting amongst some men with uncles and some villiage elders. One man was really freaking out when it come down to Islamic discussion and how the Afghans living in the western society still living as muslims etc. This guy came out very anti-American, and so bad that condamned my uncles for not coming back to Afghanistan. As they freaking guy left, everyone in the majlis were like "Thanks God he is left" I was why? and the relitives look at my uncles and us and said. "This guy is Taliban commander in chief of our villiage, he has lots of man and influncial as well" that's when they suggested we should not shave until we leave Badghis, and i learned to keep my mouth shut. Until I got back to Canada.


Having been there for so long and going around provinces i figured Taliban are not enemy on the ground, once we communists used to call these Mujahedin "Ashrar" and again my uncle said these are same Ashrar. In other words amongst the people they have earned respect as being anti-American just as their forefathers were anti-Soviets. Which is why a servey from 2008 showed that 70% of the Afghan people does not mind "Taliban" rule and 20% said American presents is a must until country is secure. 10% are those in the mids of supporting America as times be anti-American. So going back to your argument of "failed loy Pashtunistan movement". Does that 20-30% being pro-Karzai Government means that anti-American movement is failed and American occupation is accepted?


Having to put Afghanistan and Palastine in the example I suggest you should really research, the minds of Pashtuns of Pakistan are not that currupted, or ISI brainwashed. Indeed Pakistan will win in every way as long as Pakistan speaks friendship with West and hate with Muslims and make her own population suffer.



No please do not justify Pakistan in any way that gives your satanic Pakistan a heroic figure, for even the most stupid person on the planet knows Pakistan foreign policy is only in favor of the west not muslims or her own people, so leave alone the Baloch and Pashtun.


The case of Afghan unity from both sides of the border goes beyond our discussion, which needs face to face discussions only than you would know that how dangerous these pashtun regions would be for the future of Pakistan. For you should simply understand that Pashtuns maybe weak in Pakistani Politics, due to lack of their involvements, but on the ground they are strong. Now how strong you should be smart enough to caculate how over 400,000 troops can be so heavy on the 17 million people.