ANP cadres in Karachi

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Akhi, the first thing is, although impossible of achievability, I am fundamentally not against a sort of political confederation between Muslim communities at regional level provided it is voluntary and guarantees native rights (cultural, economic, etc.).

Second thing is, contrary to what you say, these were only secular Khudai Khidmatgar movement since its creation in 1930s that first stood to British imperialism and later to the Muhajir-Punjab domination as the client/sub-imperialism of the West. I should mention that secular parties in Pakistan have been more sympathetic to the rights of Baluchis , etc. compared to Islamists and other parties of the right who have been playing the role of the lackeys of Pakistan's military establishment for a long time.

For example, the terrorits wings of Jumaath-i-Islami the Pakistan chapter of Muslim brotherhood backed by Pakistan Army played a role in the massacre of Bengalis in 1971 through its terrorist wings like Al-Badar and Al-Shams. This party has been in collusion with Punjab's srmy for a long time and at times has sarcastically been called the political wing of the Punjabi army. By virtue of that status and relationship, it also has served foreign/Western interests. Right now, almost all religious parties and other forces of the right e.g. Muslim League have the backing from ISI and Pakistan's military establishment and stand in the way of native rights.

Rest, to realise the Muslim Ummah utopia, you have to achieve integration at various levels; ideologically by filling the almost unbridgeable sectarian divide between various Muslim sects; second at the level of Arabs, who are currently divided geographically and politically into many countries with no hope of any union in near future; racially where the black and white Arab divide exists; and economically where the more prosperous but conservative countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, etc. are resistant to share their oil-wealth with the destitute inhabitants of Yimin through a pan-Arab unity (ho Muslim unity).

After you have achived Arab unity, then you have to demonstrate to the rest of the Muslims that you are not just a concubine-loving, lazy, irrational, unproductive, and raw lot with civic sophistication not matching even a small city of Isreal (what to talk of the sophistication of the post modern world) but a progressive people able to lead other Muslims politically. Then I think it would be much easier to realise MU utopia.

Until you are sure to achieve that, you can go vomit your Arab irrationalism somewhere else instead of engaging in irrelevant discussions here.

What does Arab laziness or Iranian mullahs have to do with your support for Murderin' Mehmud, Hamid Da Kabul Ashnaa Bibi, or any of these other equally incompetent clowns? Just because a group one group of incompetents (ANP/whatever else group of drunkards there are) and oligarchs has philosophies that run counter to another group (the Islamists/Arabs) or supposedly chafed under the Brits doesn't make them any more competent. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Stick to the subjects and deal with that smiling jackass in the picture above. Its a very Rumsfeldian moment dont you think?

[Toramana]

Pictures are worth thousands of words Toramana:

What do you want to prove by that? That is idiotic. As Mehmud Khan has condoled to Altaf so also Altaf Hussain has condoled to Asfandiyar Wali on occasions. It is not just personal enmity; it is a political discard over issues related to affairs of Karachi.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

What do you want to prove by that? That is idiotic. As Mehmud Khan has condoled to Altaf so also Altaf Hussain has condoled to Asfandiyar Wali on occasions. It is not just personal enmity; it is a political discard over issues related to affairs of Karachi.

Come on brother, dont lower yourself by grasping for straws with the simple refrain of "this is simply politics." What was he condoling Najib over?

The men/women you admire in ANP are cows munching on the grass of expediency and opportunism.

They say that before Saddam Hussein died he lamented: "I fed the snakes and starved the lions!"

Reflect before you are old and see that you and Hussein, despite you being a Pashtun and he being an Arab, are more alike than different. He was Baath (the ANP equivalent) and had the same tendencies as you.

[Toramana]

What does Arab laziness or Iranian mullahs have to do with your support for Murderin' Mehmud, Hamid Da Kabul Ashnaa Bibi, or any of these other equally incompetent clowns? Just because a group one group of incompetents (ANP/whatever else group of drunkards there are) and oligarchs has philosophies that run counter to another group (the Islamists/Arabs) or supposedly chafed under the Brits doesn't make them any more competent. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Stick to the subjects and deal with that smiling jackass in the picture above. Its a very Rumsfeldian moment dont you think?

I hope you don't stoop to the level as you did with Azmal Saib in discussion with me (I wouldn't tolerate that and would invite you to a dual). If you read carefully, my reply to your Arab friend shows him the real fact. I am sorry if my mentioning of Al-Badar and Al-Shams or Muslim Brotherhood has irritated you. I know your ideological associations.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I hope you don't stoop to the level as you did with Azmal Saib in discussion with me (I wouldn't tolerate that and would invite you to a dual). If you read carefully, my reply to your Arab friend shows him the real fact. I am sorry if my mentioning of Al-Badar and Al-Shams or Muslim Brotherhood has irritated you. I know your ideological associations.

If you invited me a dual, be sure you would lose. I did not stoop to any level. I had an independent thread on Libya and that ass clown decided to hijack it. I handily dealt with him and dispatched him. I did not read the parts about Al Shams Al Lail Al Fajr Al Zuhr or any of that information so I had little to be offended about.

As I said, take a good hard look at this picture... it delineates your associations very well. Do not get upset or emotional about the accurate associations and mirror like qualities of Baath and ANP... I know how you get petulant when anyone examines the cold hard evidence. The picture is not doctored... it is from when Najib Gaw ran Piryaan with brutal efficiency killing us. Hate the game... not the player:

[Toramana]

Come on brother, dont lower yourself by grasping for straws with the simple refrain of "this is simply politics." What was he condoling Najib over?

The men/women you admire in ANP are cows munching on the grass of expediency and opportunism.

They say that before Saddam Hussein died he lamented: "I fed the snakes and starved the lions!"

Reflect before you are old and see that you and Hussein, despite you being a Pashtun and he being an Arab, are more alike than different. He was Baath (the ANP equivalent) and had the same tendencies as you.

When your elders were enjoying the security of ISI-provided safe houses in Islamabad and Quetta (arranged through CIA money) and your in-laws were being elevated to those lofty position in Pakistani bureaucracy by the Punjabi General Ziaul Haq (with CIA support), my elders were fighting for the rights of their people.

ANP and PMAP are not parties manufactured in some ISI laboratory/warehouse. They have come out of the wombs of our society and represent the aspiration of our people.

Rest, as for photoegraphs, many such photoes can be shown of the so-called Jehadis with CIA operatives.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Some more players of the game

[BarakzaiAbdali]

When your elders were enjoying the security of ISI-provided safe houses in Islamabad and Quetta (arranged through CIA money) and your in-laws were being elevated to those lofty position in Pakistani bureaucracy by the Punjabi General Ziaul Haq (with CIA support), my elders were fighting for the rights of their people.

ANP and PMAP are not parties manufactured in some ISI laboratory/warehouse. They have come out of the wombs of our society and represent the aspiration of our people.

Rest, as for photoegraphs, many such photoes can be shown of the so-called Jehadis with CIA operatives.

Really, why is it that Dr. Scheuer denotes their unwillingness to meet? Please produce a picture of Mr. Bin Ladin or Mr. Azzam with such operatives.

Regarding these lofty positions, please show me where these relatives are. I really need a vacation (have not had one for years) and need such folks in high places to get me a free trip to Mohenjadaro or Harrapaa LOL.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

By the way Toramana, I prefer the .30-30 and am an avid supporter of second amendment rights (NRA member). And remember, the American M16 is far more accurate than even the rapid fire AK.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And finally, CIA operatievs are far from Altaf Hussein and Najib Gaw. So do better Toramana... I expect more from you.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Khaskhoramana

You seem to live in a realm of rabid self delusion; your ANP leaders like Asfandyar are taking rides with the Pakistani Prime Minister to rescue him from backlash from his clearly Pro-Imperialistic support of Divide and Rule tactics and subjugation in the East to maintain their corrupt Power Structure.


Let me break this down for you which makes it easier for you to comprehend.

Pakistani Prime Minister = Pakistani Government = The authority over the ISI = Product and extension of CIA.

If that isn't clear enough for you; I highly recommend you stop playing Indian games such as Kabbadi, as it's seem to cause many head injuries for you.

The evils of Jamaat I-Islami have no bearing on Pan-Islam or Islam in general; nor have they ever been an officially sanctioned extension of the Muslim Brotherhood; which means as usual, you are lying or perpetuating lies made by others to perpetuate the Illusion of merit for Secularist Slaves of Imperialists.

The most you can claim is that they occasionally had affiliations with them, and claim to have been influenced; But like anything that has merit; there will always be imposters to try to hijack a good name. The Pan Islamist Movement is free of their crimes.

However the Secular Movements have always been bed fellows with European colonialists, their Puppet Extensions in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and of course Egypt. Through out. even ANP members were trying to massage Saddam Hussein; because was a Secularist.

Even your Leaders who are Slaves of Imperialists were in close cahoots with a man who collaborated with the Soviets to kill 1.5 mllion Afghans and a FEW hundred thousand Afghans of his own.



Pictures don't lie and neither does the beghairati of the men you worship.

[gadoonwal]

Can somone answer why pashtun nationalists are the target in pashtunkhwa?
how come aftab sherpao,amir muqaam,fazli raman are leading the rallies in pashtunkhwa while pashtun nationalists are not even safe in their own house?
why rahman baba was targeted in his grave?
I am not a great fan of asfandyar and hotis but their something going on against ANp and pashtun nationalist leaders.
ISI is not giving up its game.