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Re: Pakhtuns in Pakistani Power Politics
We need more people like you, we really do. I hope you share more with us here in Pf.
Originally posted by pir_Rokhan
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Re: Pakhtuns in Pakistani Power Politics
And it was Pakistan who has given Pashtuns like Shahid Khan Afridi, Younus Khan such opportunities or let them join the army or let us pukhtuns live and make money. How many Afghans live in Pakistan huh? Why not Iran or Tajkistan?Originally posted by AFRIDIComment
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Re: Pakhtuns in Pakistani Power Politics
Why wouldn't Pashtoons come to live amongst other Pashtoons? Makes perfect sense to me.Originally posted by pakistanipashtun
As for the aforementioned celebrities. Great. Even greater entertainment value. But it doesn't stop there. They even drag out Rahim Shah on Aug 14, stick him on Pakistani morning TV and get the host girl to say dumb things like, "Aap to Pathan hai, tora Pashto mein baat karo."
I find that extremely offensive. Pashtoons are not there like circus animals to play tricks for an audience at the beckon command of a ringmaster. Pakistan society sees Pashtoons as walnuts, kidnappers, fundamentalists, security guards, drivers, drug addicts and people to be laughed at in jokes for speaking "funny" Urdu. I find that strange coming from a people who claim that they are related to the people that they constantly vilify.
There are no equal rights here.
Pakistan - as it stands - needs to radically rethink its choices to when it comes to Pashtoons.
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Sir who in their right minds would want to go into Afghanistan ? six months we have almost completely wiped out the same terrorist force that US has been fighting for years now. Afghanistan since it came into being has been at war, if not within itself then under some foreign invasion. And let me be honest here, the single main reason for all of Afghanistan's trouble is that Afghan's are unable to understand the meaning of what a nation is supposed to be, they are unable to unite under one flag..its always been im pashtun ur not, he's that im not ..that has been why you country is still at war. In Pakistan, Pashtuns Balochs Sindhis Punjabis we are united under one flag, despite what you may think here Pakistan is united i think people should realise that by now.
What i find really sad is that, us as Pakistanis helped you guys in your time of need, when our economy couldnt feed our own people we took people from afghanistan as our brothers..And now even the Afghans who are in Pakistan hate us for that ??It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..Comment
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How can Pakistan army wipe out their own stooges?Originally posted by Credere
As far as this false claim is concerned,I wish they are wiped out however you can not wipe out an IDEA.
Talibanism was Pakistan army drama but now it has genuine anti state elements
and hence the fire which was lit by army is now encircling Punjab.Expect attacks in major cities in Punjab with 5 times more intensity.
As far as your flag fantasies are concerned so you might have heard the song " IS parcham kay sayee talay HUM aik hain"....However the song in reality is like:
"KIS parcham kay sayee talay hum aik hain"
Those days are gone,much bleak future awaits South Asia.Comment
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Pakistan is a walking talking contradiction.
Although majority of the citizens are nice.Comment
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1. Sir the taliban within Pakistan have absolutely zero approval rating, our army is almost done with wiping out insurguncies from within pakistan. That is not a statement from a patriot, rather it is a fact that has been globally acknowledged by everyoneOriginally posted by pir_Rokhan
2. Again what idea, Pakistanis HATE TTP they absolutely abhore there practices and the bloodshed they brought to our people so we have absolutely no tolerance for them and thats the idea thats resounding from every corner of Pakistan
3. TTP is an insurgency funded by the indians originating from afghanistan backed by the elements within Afghanistan that hate Pakistan, but you would call this statement a blind propaganda so here is an authentic neutral non-pakistani source, adn i will quote the CIA intelligence official`s own words
The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."
While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."
"None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... n_tensions
So it isnt an idea that we`re fighting, its an insurgency sponsored by our enemies that are using you as a proxy.. But naturally no one bothers about that
4. IS percham ke neechay HUM EK hain, you can skip to 1:34 since it might interest you more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXAqpSsI ... r_embedded
5. your last point is sadly true, we have fought and shed blood among eachothers for as long as memory serves and the way it seems the future memories dont seem to be holding much promise either but there is no room for losing hope, thats something we cannot doIt's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..Comment
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just posted it there bro :mrgreen:Originally posted by shlombayIt's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..Comment
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1. Sir the taliban within Pakistan have absolutely zero approval rating, our army is almost done with wiping out insurguncies from within pakistan. That is not a statement from a patriot, rather it is a fact that has been globally acknowledged by everyone.
1. Taliban are ISI stooges.You cannot wipe out a guerilla war.Just see this video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 627038093#
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2. Again what idea, Pakistanis HATE TTP they absolutely abhore there practices and the bloodshed they brought to our people so we have absolutely no tolerance for them and thats the idea thats resounding from every corner of Pakistan
2. Pakistanis hate TTP :YES.Pakistani military hate TTP :NO
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3. TTP is an insurgency funded by the indians originating from afghanistan backed by the elements within Afghanistan that hate Pakistan, but you would call this statement a blind propaganda so here is an authentic neutral non-pakistani source, adn i will quote the CIA intelligence official`s own words
3.TTP is funded by ISI and ISI is funded by CIA.
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4.The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."
While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."
"None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... n_tensions
So it isnt an idea that we`re fighting, its an insurgency sponsored by our enemies that are using you as a proxy.. But naturally no one bothers about that
4.Being religeos movement ,TTP canot be funded by India.This is the propaganda of ISPR to divert the attention from the fact that Taliban were there own boys created to Blackmail US and west and milk money from them.
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5. IS percham ke neechay HUM EK hain, you can skip to 1:34 since it might interest you more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXAqpSsI ... r_embedded
5.More civilians are killed in Swat and Waziristan.Your army do not kill Taliban ,they kill innocent people.Mula Fazl ,Sufi Mohammad and Muslim Khan were all ISI pets.
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6. Your last point is sadly true, we have fought and shed blood among eachothers for as long as memory serves and the way it seems the future memories dont seem to be holding much promise either but there is no room for losing hope, thats something we cannot do.
6. Time and your age will prove that the other points were also true.Let the time come.
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Here is how you present your argument,Originally posted by pir_Rokhan
I present facts, back them with neutral sources, concrete proofs and this how you replied
your a kid
TTP ISI stooges
TTP army stooges
Here is a google video that doesn't work
Honestly no disrespect meant, but if your going to present a credible argument back it up. Dont just say whatever comes off the top of your head. But still here's a last ditch effort to save this argument still
to your points 1,2,3
You have to literally be blind not to see the fact that pakistan military isnt in cahoots with TTP, for crying out loud i mean just pick one newspaper any newspaper from ANY country and it will tell you about the fight we've fought. If you still say this then thats just your personal opinion and i cant do much about it
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22192
SSG heroes killed eight Taliban before they were shot
Monday, May 18, 2009
By Rauf Klasra
KAHUTA: Family members of martyred Captain Najam Riaz have made a shocking disclosure about the alleged involvement of an important administrative official of Malakand in the killing of four SSG commandos at the hands of Taliban last week.
The heroic tale of brave commandos reveals how the valiant soldiers had broken the necks of eight Taliban, once they realised that they were about to be beheaded. The mother of Shaheed Captain Najam told The News while sitting in her village house, amid tears in her eyes, that she would have even sacrificed ten sons for the sake of Pakistan and she was proud of her 24-year old son, who before going to Swat had told her not to weep over her body as he knew he was going on a journey of martyrdom.
“Our Shaheed captain told that the important official of Malakand had come to meet the Taliban when they were in their possession. The official considered to be darling of the Taliban had told his friends to keep the four SSG commandos with them but return their weaponsâ€, one of the family members of the martyred Captain told The News.
The father of Captain who retired from army as a Hawaldar demanded of the government to take action against the former official of Malakand whose collaboration with the Taliban resulted in beheading of his son along with three companions.
The family members of the martyred captain also claimed that they had come to know that actually Sufi Mohammad had directed the militants to kill the SSG commandos after his own son Kifiyatullah was killed during the operation.
Earlier, Parliamentary Affairs Minister Dr Babar Awan visited the village of Captain Najam. He went there on the direction of Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani to lay flowers on his grave and offer condolences to his family.
Dr Awan himself belongs to Kahuta. The family of the martyred captain made some unusual demands to compensate the loss of their son. “Please ask your PM to set up a cadet college in Kahuta in the name of martyred Najam, set up a hospital and construct the road,†demanded his father, sisters and mother.
When Dr Awan asked whether they needed something for themselves, they all said, they did not need anything rather they had given their son for the sake of Pakistan.
A large crowd of people gathered when Dr Awan reached there in the remote village Kalhut-located at one and a half hours drive from Islamabad. Over 100 people of this small town demanded of the minister not to halt the operation against the militants and eliminate them.
Even the parents and sisters of the martyred captain gave their voice to this demand that operation should be continued and the sacrifice of their son should not be wasted. When Dr Awan returned to Islamabad late night, he immediately talked to the PM Gilani about the demand of the parents of the martyred captain and Gilani announced to approve the college in Kahuta, which might greatly make the whole family happy.
The family told the heroic tale of these four detained SSG commandos who had refused to die without putting any resistance, once they came to know that the NWFP government would not take any interest in their release.
The visit of the former official of Malakand to Taliban asking them just to return the weapons and keep the captives had made them understand what was in store. The only way left with these brave soldiers was to fight back and should not give up. As their captors got the message from their top leadership to eliminate the SSG commandos, the preparation started to tighten them with rope so they could be beheaded.
But as the captors came close to them in the room where they were detained, these commandos suddenly jumped at the eight Taliban. Within seconds, the commandos broke their necks. But two Taliban guards standing outside rushed inside and sprayed them with Kalashnikov bullets, which led to their instant martyrdom.
“We are proud of our commandos that they did not die like cowards. They fought back and killed 8 Taliban as they went down fighting like real heroes, one of the family members of the captain Najam said.
SSG heroes killed eight Taliban before they were shot
3. "Being religious movement TTP cannot be funded by india ", again what kind of statement is that ? why wouldnt india fund TTP and incase your forgot to read here is the same quote again, i'll bold it this time
The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."
While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."
"None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.
5. That is a very sad statement, it doesnt matter if you dont like pakistani military or not. These brave soldiers laid down there lives to protect these people and your just disrespecting them by making up these false stories
6. Im old enough thanksIt's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..Comment
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